On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 00:19:13 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:35:59 -0500, HK wrote:

U.S. Sugar was fighting "environmentalism" tooth and nail when I lived
in Florida.

If you want some interesting reading, check out the connections between
the u.s. sugar industry and the communist revolution in cuba.

I agree US sugar is a boondoggle that is based on bribery and
political coersion but fight it for that, not saying they are the ones
who polluted the Kissimee River and Okeechobee.
Nobody wants to say it might be the million Floratam lawns bleeding
fertilizers into the water. When I pointed out that the Estero River
was full of nitrates and phosphates too yet, nowhere near the
Caloosahatchee or any farms, I just got blank stares.
I was throwing my beer at the TV when I heard that all those fresh
water releases last year were, somehow, "sugar related".
That was purely SFWMD and the Corps of Engineers scared that we would
have the predicted hurricane season and that they would lose the
Hoover Dike. If fact we didn't have a 2007 hurricane and the lake is
going dry. This is probably what happened in Atlanta too.

I wonder what *did* happen to all the horrid hurricanes the Global Warming
fanatics were predicting to occur.
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John H

On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 03:32:26 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:38:26 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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I hereby offer my condolences. That's what you get for living in a
backward
state, I guess. Here (NY), my son never got any sort of slanted crap.
Matter
of fact, his social studies books were neutral to the point of being as
boring as the airbrushed bras in the old Sears catalogs. Does Floriduh
have
a state syllabus, or is everything determined at the local level, by the
Klan, church, or whoever's in charge?

I think that is an oversimplification. I bet if you really watched
what they are teaching you would see what I mean.
... unless you are in that cult too. ;-)



I know what my son learned. I read his books. I read his writing. I talked
with him constantly about what he was learning.

Now that I think about it, though, you might be right. He never throws trash
out of the car windows, into the water, or leaves it in the woods. Is that
environmental brainwashing of the wrong kind?


You are so perfect. Gosh, I wish I had a coin with your face on one side
and Harry's on the other. But then picking the 'tails' side would be a
bitch.
--
John H

"HarryLovesBushandRush" wrote in message
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I knew you were gonna' put it on me, that's why I usually don't bother
addressing you, and will not bother again....

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You've said that before. You'll be back. Kids need to know when and how
to
question authority, because in most instances, the "authority" is chosen
and
paid by the person being governed, taught or whatever. Where do YOU think
they're supposed to learn that from? A cereal box?


I sure hope you had your mirror time today. You know, when you tell
yourself just how f**king perfect you are.
--
John H


That's strange. You equate narcissism with teaching kids to question
authority? What the hell did your parents or the military do to you???

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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 03:29:39 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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The "church" here is the holy alter of environmentalism which is as
fast and loose with science as any of the other fundalmentalists


Example?

A very local example that you probably have heard about, the Florida
Panther. In fact that animal does nit really exist. It is just a
garden variety mountain lion, just like the ones who eat joggers in
California (as determined by a US district court based on DNA data)
but a whole mythology has come up around it.
They have been interbred with Texas cougars but people still insist
that this is a separate species.
The Manatee is another local example of outright lying but there are
people in Nebraska who still send millions of dollars to the Save The
Manatee Club. That money ends up being used to propagate the myths,
not the science.
I am a Teddy Roosevelt "conservationist" not an "environmentalist".
The difference is one is interested in habitat conservation,
controlling pollution and building stronger populations of the
animals, the latter is simply a cult, based on fund raising through
misleading headlines more than conservation.



OK. So, did you surround your daughter with many alternative forms of
information so she could see other viewpoints and form her own opinions?

Separate question: When you spoke to the principal, teachers and school
board about these problems, what did they tell you?

"HarryLovesBushandRush" wrote in message
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 03:32:26 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:38:26 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

I hereby offer my condolences. That's what you get for living in a
backward
state, I guess. Here (NY), my son never got any sort of slanted crap.
Matter
of fact, his social studies books were neutral to the point of being as
boring as the airbrushed bras in the old Sears catalogs. Does Floriduh
have
a state syllabus, or is everything determined at the local level, by the
Klan, church, or whoever's in charge?

I think that is an oversimplification. I bet if you really watched
what they are teaching you would see what I mean.
... unless you are in that cult too. ;-)



I know what my son learned. I read his books. I read his writing. I talked
with him constantly about what he was learning.

Now that I think about it, though, you might be right. He never throws
trash
out of the car windows, into the water, or leaves it in the woods. Is that
environmental brainwashing of the wrong kind?


You are so perfect. Gosh, I wish I had a coin with your face on one side
and Harry's on the other. But then picking the 'tails' side would be a
bitch.
--
John H


What perfect? That's our job as parents, to talk to our kids and be aware
of what they're doing. Are you the only person who hasn't gotten that
message yet?

Hang on...this is funny: You used to complain about the obnoxious kids you
had to deal with as a sub teacher, right? How do you think they got that
way?

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HarryLovesBushandRush" wrote in message
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 03:32:26 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:38:26 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

I hereby offer my condolences. That's what you get for living in a
backward
state, I guess. Here (NY), my son never got any sort of slanted crap.
Matter
of fact, his social studies books were neutral to the point of being as
boring as the airbrushed bras in the old Sears catalogs. Does Floriduh
have
a state syllabus, or is everything determined at the local level, by the
Klan, church, or whoever's in charge?

I think that is an oversimplification. I bet if you really watched
what they are teaching you would see what I mean.
... unless you are in that cult too. ;-)


I know what my son learned. I read his books. I read his writing. I talked
with him constantly about what he was learning.

Now that I think about it, though, you might be right. He never throws
trash
out of the car windows, into the water, or leaves it in the woods. Is that
environmental brainwashing of the wrong kind?

You are so perfect. Gosh, I wish I had a coin with your face on one side
and Harry's on the other. But then picking the 'tails' side would be a
bitch.
--
John H


What perfect? That's our job as parents, to talk to our kids and be aware
of what they're doing. Are you the only person who hasn't gotten that
message yet?

Hang on...this is funny: You used to complain about the obnoxious kids you
had to deal with as a sub teacher, right? How do you think they got that
way?




Herring has the military mindset...he prefers automatons.

On Jan 28, 10:35*pm, HK wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
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On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:41:08 -0800 (PST),
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Does Floriduh have
a state syllabus, or is everything determined at the local level, by the
Klan, church, or whoever's in charge?
you are a miserable son of a bitch....

That is misplaced anger.
The "church" here is the holy alter of environmentalism which is as
fast and loose with science as any of the other fundalmentalists

Example?

U.S. Sugar was fighting "environmentalism" tooth and nail when I lived
in Florida.

If you want some interesting reading, check out the connections between
the u.s. sugar industry and the communist revolution in cuba.- Hide quoted text -

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A retired 77 year old engineer I know quit eating sugar because of
that. He still to this day will not knowingly put sugar in anything!

On Jan 28, 9:50*pm, wrote:
On Jan 28, 9:44*pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:





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On Jan 28, 9:38 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:17:44 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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Lee County Florida - did you, your kids or grandkids attend those
schools?
That's what I meant by "personally experienced". Is that what you mean,
too?

My daughter went to Lee County schools for 10 years and I volunteered
at the middle schools for a while, talking about water quality until
we figured out I wasn't preaching the company line (all evel is caused
by boaters and "Big Sugar"). I just told it the way I saw if from 8
years of actual water sampling.

I hereby offer my condolences. That's what you get for living in a
backward
state, I guess. Here (NY), my son never got any sort of slanted crap.
Matter
of fact, his social studies books were neutral to the point of being as
boring as the airbrushed bras in the old Sears catalogs. Does Floriduh
have
a state syllabus, or is everything determined at the local level, by the
Klan, church, or whoever's in charge?

you are a miserable son of a bitch....

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The syllabus (go look it up in a dictionary) comes from SOMEWHERE. It's at
the state level, or the local level. If the syllabus is meddled with by
special interest groups, it's usually at the local level, although in some
backwaters like Kansas, it's at higher levels. If gretwell didn't like what
went on in his daughter's school, he knew who to blame. It's not that
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You are clueless... drunk, fat, and lazy is no way to live your life
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Great, now you're stooping to Harry's level.....

On Jan 28, 4:45*pm, HK wrote:
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On Jan 28, 4:12 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:

HK wrote:
Yes, well, that was the point of the superintendent of schools in that
unnamed North Carolina city, a point with which I agreed and my post
reinforced. Children should not be forced or even coerced in "pledging"
or prayer. Do you actually have the ability to read for content?
I wish schools could get out entirely of any business except teaching
reading, writing, math, and science, and helping kids learn how to
think. It was pretty much like that in the 1950's in my public schools.
We didn't waste a second on crapola like school prayer and pledges.
Probqbly won't be wasting time on NEA ridden public schools in the
near future either.
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Anyway, speaking of music, check this out

http://www.360synergy.com/presskit.html

some weird ****, not much info.. *why do I care about such a project?
I have my reasons

Not *my* kind of guitar. Most of the ones I like are made in Spain. I
really like the sound, feel and look of certain Ramirez guitars, for
example, or the cedar-topped Manuel Rodriguez Jr. guitars.- Hide quoted text -

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Yes, Harry, we all know that your tastes are a cut above any and all
musicians of the world.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:17:44 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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Lee County Florida - did you, your kids or grandkids attend those
schools?
That's what I meant by "personally experienced". Is that what you mean,
too?

My daughter went to Lee County schools for 10 years and I volunteered
at the middle schools for a while, talking about water quality until
we figured out I wasn't preaching the company line (all evel is caused
by boaters and "Big Sugar"). I just told it the way I saw if from 8
years of actual water sampling.


I hereby offer my condolences. That's what you get for living in a
backward state, I guess. Here (NY), my son never got any sort of slanted
crap. Matter of fact, his social studies books were neutral to the point
of being as boring as the airbrushed bras in the old Sears catalogs. Does
Floriduh have a state syllabus, or is everything determined at the local
level, by the Klan, church, or whoever's in charge?


Just wondering.... How much of your sons Social Studies curriculum was
dedicated to the Revolutionary War, and to the Founding Fathers?