On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 07:11:10 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Jan 28, 9:23*am, HarryLovesBushandRush
wrote:
Yesterday I took wife, daughter, and granddaughter to see the United States
Marine Band perform. They did a spectacular job, as usual.

On the way home, I asked my daughter and granddaughter if they learned any
patriotic songs in school. When I was a kid, we learned "God Bless
America," "America the Beautiful," *My Country 'tis of Thee," " Battle Hymn
of the Republic," and so on. Apparently these songs are too religious, for
the most part, to be taught in public schools anymore.

Anyone have different experiences?
--
John H

How do you know that it's because of them being "too religious"?

I don't, that's why I asked the question.

But, some do have the word 'God' or 'Lord' therein.
--
John H

John wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

If this is truly a "free" country, then no one, not even a child, should
have to participate in a mandatory "pledge" to an inanimate object, such
as a flag.



EXCEPT that is a requirement for citizenship in the USA:

Some of the responsibilities implied by the U.S. citizenship a

a.. Promises in the Oath of Allegiance including giving up prior
allegiances to other countries
b.. Support and defend the laws of the U.S.
c.. Swear allegiance to the U.S.
d.. Serve the country when required
Most people consider me a liberal, but I believe that in a public school the
children should be taught what it means to be an American. They should at
least know what the pledge of allegiance is and what the star spangled
banner represent.
I content that the MAIN reason that republicans gained power in the senate
the congress and the presidency is that people were fed up with all this
"feel good" Political correctness bull****!


Please show me the statute that states that a natural born "citizen" who
is a *minor* is obligated to pledge, support, swear, or serve in the
course of growing up or attending public school. If that minor breaks a
law, he or she is subject to our criminal misjustice system, but I
haven't read of any minors being arrested recently for refusing to state
the pledge. Have you?

On Jan 28, 3:42*pm, HK wrote:
John wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

If this is truly a "free" country, then no one, not even a child, should
have to participate in a mandatory "pledge" to an inanimate object, such
as a flag.

EXCEPT that is a requirement for citizenship in the USA:

Some of the responsibilities implied by the U.S. citizenship a

* a.. Promises in the Oath of Allegiance including giving up prior
allegiances to other countries
* b.. Support and defend the laws of the U.S.
* c.. Swear allegiance to the U.S.
* d.. Serve the country when required
Most people consider me a liberal, but I believe that in a public school the
children should be taught what it means to be an American. *They should at
least know what the pledge of allegiance is and what the star spangled
banner represent.
I content that the MAIN reason that republicans gained power in the senate
the congress and the presidency is that people were fed up with all this
"feel *good" Political correctness bull****!

Please show me the statute that states that a natural born "citizen" who
is a *minor* is obligated to pledge, support, swear, or serve in the
course of growing up or attending public school. If that minor breaks a
law, he or she is subject to our criminal misjustice system, but I
haven't read of any minors being arrested recently for refusing to state
the pledge. Have you?- Hide quoted text -

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No, and neither have you. You are getting off subject, which is, who
or what has shoved religeon down your throat? Who has been forced to
say the pledge in a school? Or pray?... no one, that's who, it is
still false rhetoric..

wrote:
On Jan 28, 3:42 pm, HK wrote:
John wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
If this is truly a "free" country, then no one, not even a child, should
have to participate in a mandatory "pledge" to an inanimate object, such
as a flag.
EXCEPT that is a requirement for citizenship in the USA:
Some of the responsibilities implied by the U.S. citizenship a
a.. Promises in the Oath of Allegiance including giving up prior
allegiances to other countries
b.. Support and defend the laws of the U.S.
c.. Swear allegiance to the U.S.
d.. Serve the country when required
Most people consider me a liberal, but I believe that in a public school the
children should be taught what it means to be an American. They should at
least know what the pledge of allegiance is and what the star spangled
banner represent.
I content that the MAIN reason that republicans gained power in the senate
the congress and the presidency is that people were fed up with all this
"feel good" Political correctness bull****!
Please show me the statute that states that a natural born "citizen" who
is a *minor* is obligated to pledge, support, swear, or serve in the
course of growing up or attending public school. If that minor breaks a
law, he or she is subject to our criminal misjustice system, but I
haven't read of any minors being arrested recently for refusing to state
the pledge. Have you?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No, and neither have you. You are getting off subject, which is, who
or what has shoved religeon down your throat? Who has been forced to
say the pledge in a school? Or pray?... no one, that's who, it is
still false rhetoric..


This is a response to "John," not you. Don't be so vain.


--
George W. Bush - Worst President Ever, to the very last minute of the
very last day of his term.

HK wrote:
Yes, well, that was the point of the superintendent of schools in that
unnamed North Carolina city, a point with which I agreed and my post
reinforced. Children should not be forced or even coerced in "pledging"
or prayer. Do you actually have the ability to read for content?

I wish schools could get out entirely of any business except teaching
reading, writing, math, and science, and helping kids learn how to
think. It was pretty much like that in the 1950's in my public schools.
We didn't waste a second on crapola like school prayer and pledges.


Probqbly won't be wasting time on NEA ridden public schools in the
near future either.

Tim wrote:

HK wrote:
Yes, well, that was the point of the superintendent of schools in that
unnamed North Carolina city, a point with which I agreed and my post
reinforced. Children should not be forced or even coerced in "pledging"
or prayer. Do you actually have the ability to read for content?

I wish schools could get out entirely of any business except teaching
reading, writing, math, and science, and helping kids learn how to
think. It was pretty much like that in the 1950's in my public schools.
We didn't waste a second on crapola like school prayer and pledges.


Probqbly won't be wasting time on NEA ridden public schools in the
near future either.



Yeah, you'd do better in home schooling. Keeps you in the closet longer.

On Jan 28, 4:12*pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:

HK wrote:
Yes, well, that was the point of the superintendent of schools in that
unnamed North Carolina city, a point with which I agreed and my post
reinforced. Children should not be forced or even coerced in "pledging"
or prayer. Do you actually have the ability to read for content?

I wish schools could get out entirely of any business except teaching
reading, writing, math, and science, and helping kids learn how to
think. It was pretty much like that in the 1950's in my public schools.
We didn't waste a second on crapola like school prayer and pledges.

Probqbly won't be wasting time on NEA ridden public schools in the
near future either.

Yeah, you'd do better in home schooling. Keeps you in the closet longer.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Anyway, speaking of music, check this out

http://www.360synergy.com/presskit.html

some weird ****, not much info.. why do I care about such a project?
I have my reasons

"John" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
...
John wrote:
"HarryLovesBushandRush" wrote in
message ...
Yesterday I took wife, daughter, and granddaughter to see the United
States
Marine Band perform. They did a spectacular job, as usual.

On the way home, I asked my daughter and granddaughter if they learned
any
patriotic songs in school. When I was a kid, we learned "God Bless
America," "America the Beautiful," My Country 'tis of Thee," " Battle
Hymn
of the Republic," and so on. Apparently these songs are too religious,
for
the most part, to be taught in public schools anymore.

Anyone have different experiences?
--
John H

I live in one of the most liberal cities in NC. When my daughter was in
fifth grade I asked her if she new the Pledge of Allegiance. Her
comment was "yes we just learned that as a history lesson". I was
stunned, fifth grade and just learned the pledge as a HISTORY
lesson?????

I wrote a letter to the principal and asked him why they only taught the
pledge of allegiance as a history lesson. The reply that I got back,
came directly from the Supervisor of schools for the city. Basically it
was a super PC answer, they will not force anyone to say any oaths in
classrooms.

Since then North Carolina has passed a state law to put the pledge back
into schools.




If this is truly a "free" country, then no one, not even a child, should
have to participate in a mandatory "pledge" to an inanimate object, such
as a flag.



EXCEPT that is a requirement for citizenship in the USA:

Some of the responsibilities implied by the U.S. citizenship a

a.. Promises in the Oath of Allegiance including giving up prior
allegiances to other countries
b.. Support and defend the laws of the U.S.
c.. Swear allegiance to the U.S.
d.. Serve the country when required
Most people consider me a liberal, but I believe that in a public school
the children should be taught what it means to be an American.


Hopefully, you don't think "what it means to be an American" is in any way
connected to a pledge and a flag.

wrote in message
...
On Jan 28, 4:12 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:

HK wrote:
Yes, well, that was the point of the superintendent of schools in that
unnamed North Carolina city, a point with which I agreed and my post
reinforced. Children should not be forced or even coerced in "pledging"
or prayer. Do you actually have the ability to read for content?

I wish schools could get out entirely of any business except teaching
reading, writing, math, and science, and helping kids learn how to
think. It was pretty much like that in the 1950's in my public schools.
We didn't waste a second on crapola like school prayer and pledges.

Probqbly won't be wasting time on NEA ridden public schools in the
near future either.

Yeah, you'd do better in home schooling. Keeps you in the closet longer.-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Anyway, speaking of music, check this out

http://www.360synergy.com/presskit.html

some weird ****, not much info.. why do I care about such a project?
I have my reasons

==================

Your reason: It's nothing but pictures.

wrote:
On Jan 28, 4:12 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:

HK wrote:
Yes, well, that was the point of the superintendent of schools in that
unnamed North Carolina city, a point with which I agreed and my post
reinforced. Children should not be forced or even coerced in "pledging"
or prayer. Do you actually have the ability to read for content?
I wish schools could get out entirely of any business except teaching
reading, writing, math, and science, and helping kids learn how to
think. It was pretty much like that in the 1950's in my public schools.
We didn't waste a second on crapola like school prayer and pledges.
Probqbly won't be wasting time on NEA ridden public schools in the
near future either.
Yeah, you'd do better in home schooling. Keeps you in the closet longer.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Anyway, speaking of music, check this out

http://www.360synergy.com/presskit.html

some weird ****, not much info.. why do I care about such a project?
I have my reasons


Not *my* kind of guitar. Most of the ones I like are made in Spain. I
really like the sound, feel and look of certain Ramirez guitars, for
example, or the cedar-topped Manuel Rodriguez Jr. guitars.