On Jan 26, 6:30*pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 26, 5:31 pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 26, 5:16 pm, hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
JG2U wrote:
You probably don't realize that is one of the fundamental
purposes of
the church that you fight so hard against ... to provide an
outreach
into the local community to provide assistance to those that
need it,
and as part of a larger organization to provide it on a
national and
world-wide level.
I don't fight against "the church" until it tries to shove
itself in my life.
Or, do like I do when the Jehovah's Witness' or Mormons show up
at the door. I tell them I will listen to their pitch but, they
first have to listen to my pitch to become a Catholic. Usually
the say not thank you and get on their way.
You really truly are a dumb foch. I am not talking here about the
door to door church people.
Enlighten me Mr. Genius! What is the difference between the
President of the US saying God Bless and the guy knocking on your
door with the intent on converting you to his religion?
Neither of those events concern me.
Ok, what specific events concern you?
There are quite a few. Most of them concern churchies trying to force
their beliefs on the rest of society. I'll bet with that hint, you can
figure out one or two of them.
Don't Mormon's and Jehovah's Witness' fall into that category?
Let's see if you have any smarts...
I don't care what religions do (within reason) within their houses of
worship, nor do I care what believers do in their homes. I am only
concerned when those religions or believers try to shove their beliefs
onto my secular society. This is NOT a Christian nation, a Jewish
nation, a Muslim nation, et cetera. I don't want a bunch of Christian
nut cases determining what is taught in public schools, when "life"
begins, whether we should have abortions, what sort of stem cell
research is ok, what stores can remain open on Sunday, et cetera.
Got it now?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes, it is more about political agenda than compassion or logic... I
get it...
* No, you don't get it, either. In the examples I have given, people of
a *certain belief are trying to shove their sect's religious doctrine on
others. It has nothing to do with compassion and it certainly has
nothing to do with logic.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So tell us well heeled son, who has shoved religeon down your throat,
and what did it take to stop them? I mean, Vonage and Free Credit
Report.com try to give me a message every day, I don't mind, I just
don't pay attention. Have you ever been refused anything because you
were not willing to listen?

Oi!

--

C'mon Harry, I treat you honestly, answer my question...

wrote:
On Jan 26, 6:30 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 26, 5:31 pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 26, 5:16 pm, hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
JG2U wrote:
You probably don't realize that is one of the fundamental
purposes of
the church that you fight so hard against ... to provide an
outreach
into the local community to provide assistance to those that
need it,
and as part of a larger organization to provide it on a
national and
world-wide level.
I don't fight against "the church" until it tries to shove
itself in my life.
Or, do like I do when the Jehovah's Witness' or Mormons show up
at the door. I tell them I will listen to their pitch but, they
first have to listen to my pitch to become a Catholic. Usually
the say not thank you and get on their way.
You really truly are a dumb foch. I am not talking here about the
door to door church people.
Enlighten me Mr. Genius! What is the difference between the
President of the US saying God Bless and the guy knocking on your
door with the intent on converting you to his religion?
Neither of those events concern me.
Ok, what specific events concern you?
There are quite a few. Most of them concern churchies trying to force
their beliefs on the rest of society. I'll bet with that hint, you can
figure out one or two of them.
Don't Mormon's and Jehovah's Witness' fall into that category?
Let's see if you have any smarts...
I don't care what religions do (within reason) within their houses of
worship, nor do I care what believers do in their homes. I am only
concerned when those religions or believers try to shove their beliefs
onto my secular society. This is NOT a Christian nation, a Jewish
nation, a Muslim nation, et cetera. I don't want a bunch of Christian
nut cases determining what is taught in public schools, when "life"
begins, whether we should have abortions, what sort of stem cell
research is ok, what stores can remain open on Sunday, et cetera.
Got it now?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes, it is more about political agenda than compassion or logic... I
get it...
No, you don't get it, either. In the examples I have given, people of
a certain belief are trying to shove their sect's religious doctrine on
others. It has nothing to do with compassion and it certainly has
nothing to do with logic.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
So tell us well heeled son, who has shoved religeon down your throat,
and what did it take to stop them? I mean, Vonage and Free Credit
Report.com try to give me a message every day, I don't mind, I just
don't pay attention. Have you ever been refused anything because you
were not willing to listen?
Oi!

--

C'mon Harry, I treat you honestly, answer my question...


We're not discussing the same thing here. The fundamentalist retardos
have limited the federal government's involvement in stem cell research.
Work on that awhile.


--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

On Jan 26, 7:56*pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 26, 6:30 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 26, 5:31 pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 26, 5:16 pm, hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
JG2U wrote:
You probably don't realize that is one of the fundamental
purposes of
the church that you fight so hard against ... to provide an
outreach
into the local community to provide assistance to those that
need it,
and as part of a larger organization to provide it on a
national and
world-wide level.
I don't fight against "the church" until it tries to shove
itself in my life.
Or, do like I do when the Jehovah's Witness' or Mormons show up
at the door. I tell them I will listen to their pitch but, they
first have to listen to my pitch to become a Catholic. Usually
the say not thank you and get on their way.
You really truly are a dumb foch. I am not talking here about the
door to door church people.
Enlighten me Mr. Genius! What is the difference between the
President of the US saying God Bless and the guy knocking on your
door with the intent on converting you to his religion?
Neither of those events concern me.
Ok, what specific events concern you?
There are quite a few. Most of them concern churchies trying to force
their beliefs on the rest of society. I'll bet with that hint, you can
figure out one or two of them.
Don't Mormon's and Jehovah's Witness' fall into that category?
Let's see if you have any smarts...
I don't care what religions do (within reason) within their houses of
worship, nor do I care what believers do in their homes. I am only
concerned when those religions or believers try to shove their beliefs
onto my secular society. This is NOT a Christian nation, a Jewish
nation, a Muslim nation, et cetera. I don't want a bunch of Christian
nut cases determining what is taught in public schools, when "life"
begins, whether we should have abortions, what sort of stem cell
research is ok, what stores can remain open on Sunday, et cetera.
Got it now?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes, it is more about political agenda than compassion or logic... I
get it...
* No, you don't get it, either. In the examples I have given, people of
a *certain belief are trying to shove their sect's religious doctrine on
others. It has nothing to do with compassion and it certainly has
nothing to do with logic.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
So tell us well heeled son, who has shoved religeon down your throat,
and what did it take to stop them? I mean, Vonage and Free Credit
Report.com try to give me a message every day, I don't mind, I just
don't pay attention. Have you ever been refused anything because you
were not willing to listen?
Oi!

--

C'mon Harry, I treat you honestly, answer my question...

We're not discussing the same thing here. The fundamentalist retardos
have limited the federal government's involvement in stem cell research.
Work on that awhile.

--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I did some research a while back with my kid (the one in DC working
for the lib lobby group) and she concluded as did I that there has
been many more successful projects from other forms of stem cells and
none from the embrionic type.. Aside from a desire to spend a lot of
money on projects that have resulted in zero progress is just not
practical to a lot of secularists like her either... Besides, I still
contend that we are not a secular society, that is the change that
your party wants. I don't fault you, just think you are wrong and
shortsighted...

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:58:10 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..


There are quite a few. Most of them concern churchies trying to force
their beliefs on the rest of society. I'll bet with that hint, you can
figure out one or two of them.


May I suggest that you focus on those that are trying to force their
beliefs on you and let society decide for themselves?

Eisboch
Make all the suggestions you like. I will work, however, against those
who
are in the business of shoveling their religious beliefs onto society.

Thank you for your concern, but I'd rather do it myself, thanks.

Kill 'em all!!!

Whoops - wrong thread again.

Sorry. :)


I was thinking maybe we were getting to the core difference between classic
liberal and classic conservative philosophies.

The former seems to think they are responsible for all.
The latter focuses on individual responsibility.

Eisboch

wrote:
On Jan 26, 7:56 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 26, 6:30 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 26, 5:31 pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 26, 5:16 pm, hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
JG2U wrote:
You probably don't realize that is one of the fundamental
purposes of
the church that you fight so hard against ... to provide an
outreach
into the local community to provide assistance to those that
need it,
and as part of a larger organization to provide it on a
national and
world-wide level.
I don't fight against "the church" until it tries to shove
itself in my life.
Or, do like I do when the Jehovah's Witness' or Mormons show up
at the door. I tell them I will listen to their pitch but, they
first have to listen to my pitch to become a Catholic. Usually
the say not thank you and get on their way.
You really truly are a dumb foch. I am not talking here about the
door to door church people.
Enlighten me Mr. Genius! What is the difference between the
President of the US saying God Bless and the guy knocking on your
door with the intent on converting you to his religion?
Neither of those events concern me.
Ok, what specific events concern you?
There are quite a few. Most of them concern churchies trying to force
their beliefs on the rest of society. I'll bet with that hint, you can
figure out one or two of them.
Don't Mormon's and Jehovah's Witness' fall into that category?
Let's see if you have any smarts...
I don't care what religions do (within reason) within their houses of
worship, nor do I care what believers do in their homes. I am only
concerned when those religions or believers try to shove their beliefs
onto my secular society. This is NOT a Christian nation, a Jewish
nation, a Muslim nation, et cetera. I don't want a bunch of Christian
nut cases determining what is taught in public schools, when "life"
begins, whether we should have abortions, what sort of stem cell
research is ok, what stores can remain open on Sunday, et cetera.
Got it now?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes, it is more about political agenda than compassion or logic... I
get it...
No, you don't get it, either. In the examples I have given, people of
a certain belief are trying to shove their sect's religious doctrine on
others. It has nothing to do with compassion and it certainly has
nothing to do with logic.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
So tell us well heeled son, who has shoved religeon down your throat,
and what did it take to stop them? I mean, Vonage and Free Credit
Report.com try to give me a message every day, I don't mind, I just
don't pay attention. Have you ever been refused anything because you
were not willing to listen?
Oi!
--
C'mon Harry, I treat you honestly, answer my question...
We're not discussing the same thing here. The fundamentalist retardos
have limited the federal government's involvement in stem cell research.
Work on that awhile.

--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I did some research a while back with my kid (the one in DC working
for the lib lobby group) and she concluded as did I that there has
been many more successful projects from other forms of stem cells and
none from the embrionic type.. Aside from a desire to spend a lot of
money on projects that have resulted in zero progress is just not
practical to a lot of secularists like her either... Besides, I still
contend that we are not a secular society, that is the change that
your party wants. I don't fault you, just think you are wrong and
shortsighted...

The point I am making is that President Idiot restricted federal
involvement in stem cell research for religious reasons. On that basis
alone, the stupid SOB should have been impeached.




--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:29:02 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:58:10 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
om...
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..


There are quite a few. Most of them concern churchies trying to force
their beliefs on the rest of society. I'll bet with that hint, you can
figure out one or two of them.


May I suggest that you focus on those that are trying to force their
beliefs on you and let society decide for themselves?

Eisboch
Make all the suggestions you like. I will work, however, against those
who
are in the business of shoveling their religious beliefs onto society.

Thank you for your concern, but I'd rather do it myself, thanks.

Kill 'em all!!!

Whoops - wrong thread again.

Sorry. :)

I was thinking maybe we were getting to the core difference between classic
liberal and classic conservative philosophies.

The former seems to think they are responsible for all.
The latter focuses on individual responsibility.

I would agree with that, only I would substitute they for government.

On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 02:17:11 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:29:02 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:58:10 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
news:i7OdnW4p4OXMWwbanZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@comcast. com...
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..


There are quite a few. Most of them concern churchies trying to force
their beliefs on the rest of society. I'll bet with that hint, you can
figure out one or two of them.


May I suggest that you focus on those that are trying to force their
beliefs on you and let society decide for themselves?

Eisboch
Make all the suggestions you like. I will work, however, against those
who
are in the business of shoveling their religious beliefs onto society.

Thank you for your concern, but I'd rather do it myself, thanks.

Kill 'em all!!!

Whoops - wrong thread again.

Sorry. :)

I was thinking maybe we were getting to the core difference between classic
liberal and classic conservative philosophies.

The former seems to think they are responsible for all.
The latter focuses on individual responsibility.

I would agree with that, only I would substitute they for government.

I meant to say government for they.

~~ sheesh ~~

It's past my nap time. :)

hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
JG2U wrote:

You probably don't realize that is one of the fundamental
purposes of
the church that you fight so hard against ... to provide an
outreach
into the local community to provide assistance to those that
need it,
and as part of a larger organization to provide it on a
national and
world-wide level.

I don't fight against "the church" until it tries to shove
itself in my life.

Or, do like I do when the Jehovah's Witness' or Mormons show up
at the door. I tell them I will listen to their pitch but, they
first have to listen to my pitch to become a Catholic. Usually
the say not thank you and get on their way.


You really truly are a dumb foch. I am not talking here about the
door to door church people.

Enlighten me Mr. Genius! What is the difference between the
President of the US saying God Bless and the guy knocking on your
door with the intent on converting you to his religion?


Neither of those events concern me.

Ok, what specific events concern you?



There are quite a few. Most of them concern churchies trying to force
their beliefs on the rest of society. I'll bet with that hint, you
can figure out one or two of them.

Don't Mormon's and Jehovah's Witness' fall into that category?


Let's see if you have any smarts...

I don't care what religions do (within reason) within their houses of
worship, nor do I care what believers do in their homes. I am only
concerned when those religions or believers try to shove their beliefs
onto my secular society. This is NOT a Christian nation, a Jewish
nation, a Muslim nation, et cetera. I don't want a bunch of Christian
nut cases determining what is taught in public schools, when "life"
begins, whether we should have abortions, what sort of stem cell
research is ok, what stores can remain open on Sunday, et cetera.

Got it now?

I understand that you come across as a spoiled brat. If things are not
the way you expect or want then they are wrong.

It is not your secular society, it is our society. The majority of our
society disagrees with your view of religion in the public square. This
country was founded and formed by those who publicly professed a belief
in God. You don't have to like you just have to accept it and live with it.

Like it or not those "Christian nut cases" determine a lot of what
happens in our society.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

I was thinking maybe we were getting to the core difference between
classic
liberal and classic conservative philosophies.

The former seems to think they are responsible for all.
The latter focuses on individual responsibility.

I would agree with that, only I would substitute they for government.

I meant to say government for they.

~~ sheesh ~~

It's past my nap time. :)


It's ok. We make certain exceptions for the elderly.

Eisboch

BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
JG2U wrote:

You probably don't realize that is one of the fundamental
purposes of
the church that you fight so hard against ... to provide an
outreach
into the local community to provide assistance to those that
need it,
and as part of a larger organization to provide it on a
national and
world-wide level.

I don't fight against "the church" until it tries to shove
itself in my life.

Or, do like I do when the Jehovah's Witness' or Mormons show up
at the door. I tell them I will listen to their pitch but, they
first have to listen to my pitch to become a Catholic. Usually
the say not thank you and get on their way.


You really truly are a dumb foch. I am not talking here about
the door to door church people.

Enlighten me Mr. Genius! What is the difference between the
President of the US saying God Bless and the guy knocking on your
door with the intent on converting you to his religion?


Neither of those events concern me.

Ok, what specific events concern you?



There are quite a few. Most of them concern churchies trying to
force their beliefs on the rest of society. I'll bet with that hint,
you can figure out one or two of them.

Don't Mormon's and Jehovah's Witness' fall into that category?


Let's see if you have any smarts...

I don't care what religions do (within reason) within their houses of
worship, nor do I care what believers do in their homes. I am only
concerned when those religions or believers try to shove their beliefs
onto my secular society. This is NOT a Christian nation, a Jewish
nation, a Muslim nation, et cetera. I don't want a bunch of Christian
nut cases determining what is taught in public schools, when "life"
begins, whether we should have abortions, what sort of stem cell
research is ok, what stores can remain open on Sunday, et cetera.

Got it now?

I understand that you come across as a spoiled brat. If things are not
the way you expect or want then they are wrong.

It is not your secular society, it is our society. The majority of our
society disagrees with your view of religion in the public square. This
country was founded and formed by those who publicly professed a belief
in God. You don't have to like you just have to accept it and live with it.

Like it or not those "Christian nut cases" determine a lot of what
happens in our society.



Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooosh.
I'm not talking about a profession of faith. D'uh.









--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!