Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:39:28 -0500, Kippered
wrote:


I wouldn't go with a brand name like Dell, Gateway, or whatever. There's a
computer shop down the road that will build them to order. I'll pay the
extra hundred or two for them to do the work. I'll have to pick out the
motherboard, etc, etc, etc. I'll ask for advice here, and some of the
experts will offer it.

Yeah. And case advice too. You need good case advice.

--Vic

Vic,
I thought the cases were fairly standard, and you just ordered them
based upon what motherboard you wanted to use and how many bays you
wanted to use.

Is there more to it?

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:55:27 -0500, "John" wrote:


"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
...
On Jan 25, 4:52?am, hk wrote:
If you're going to get one of those spiffy economy boosting checks from
the feds, what will you do with the proceeds?

(a) ?pay off consumer debt (the smart thing to do)

(b) ?buy food

(c) ?buy gasoline

(d) ?buy some more goods made in China

(e) ?have a fun evening with wine, women and song

Have you seen the details of the HR plan?

Above $176,000 family income you get nada.

Throwing gov checks at people probably won't help.
The only ideas I heard and though might work, mostly from Huckabee,
Edwards and maybe Romney, was to concentrate stimulus money on local
infrastructure repair and small businesses that create jobs here.
Consumer check money is mostly going overseas and increasing trade
deficits.
I'll add, "What the hell do I know?" as a disinvitation to argument.

--Vic

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:09:36 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:39:28 -0500, Kippered
wrote:


I wouldn't go with a brand name like Dell, Gateway, or whatever. There's a
computer shop down the road that will build them to order. I'll pay the
extra hundred or two for them to do the work. I'll have to pick out the
motherboard, etc, etc, etc. I'll ask for advice here, and some of the
experts will offer it.

Yeah. And case advice too. You need good case advice.

--Vic

Vic,
I thought the cases were fairly standard, and you just ordered them
based upon what motherboard you wanted to use and how many bays you
wanted to use.

Is there more to it?

Depends on your needs. John said something about going inside and
messing with them. If you're going to do that a lot (I've built about
10 PC's) you want a case that makes it easy. If you're not, you
won't care, except you still want a quality power supply, the power
supply often being bundled with the case.
I prefer big honking cases that allow real easy parts replacements,
substitutions.
Here's the one for this computer, and my others are big variations.
I have plenty of work space.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16811165008R
Very easy to work with - massive and well thought.
I did a newegg review, but it looks like they discontinued the case
and the link is an "open box"
Think I paid $120 unpowered.

--Vic

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:27:34 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:09:36 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:39:28 -0500, Kippered
wrote:


I wouldn't go with a brand name like Dell, Gateway, or whatever. There's a
computer shop down the road that will build them to order. I'll pay the
extra hundred or two for them to do the work. I'll have to pick out the
motherboard, etc, etc, etc. I'll ask for advice here, and some of the
experts will offer it.

Yeah. And case advice too. You need good case advice.

--Vic

Vic,
I thought the cases were fairly standard, and you just ordered them
based upon what motherboard you wanted to use and how many bays you
wanted to use.

Is there more to it?

Depends on your needs. John said something about going inside and
messing with them. If you're going to do that a lot (I've built about
10 PC's) you want a case that makes it easy. If you're not, you
won't care, except you still want a quality power supply, the power
supply often being bundled with the case.
I prefer big honking cases that allow real easy parts replacements,
substitutions.
Here's the one for this computer, and my others are big variations.
I have plenty of work space.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16811165008R
Very easy to work with - massive and well thought.
I did a newegg review, but it looks like they discontinued the case
and the link is an "open box"
Think I paid $120 unpowered.

--Vic

That's a piece of advice I'd thought of. The case this Dell used is a pain
in the butt to get into or work with. You're right, the case will be the
first choice. I was very happy with the old 'box' cases held together with
a few screws, or thumbscrews for rapid entry. I don't need the fancy thinks
they've got now that look like something out of Star Trek.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

John H

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:27:34 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:09:36 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:39:28 -0500, Kippered
wrote:


I wouldn't go with a brand name like Dell, Gateway, or whatever. There's a
computer shop down the road that will build them to order. I'll pay the
extra hundred or two for them to do the work. I'll have to pick out the
motherboard, etc, etc, etc. I'll ask for advice here, and some of the
experts will offer it.

Yeah. And case advice too. You need good case advice.

--Vic

Vic,
I thought the cases were fairly standard, and you just ordered them
based upon what motherboard you wanted to use and how many bays you
wanted to use.

Is there more to it?

Depends on your needs. John said something about going inside and
messing with them. If you're going to do that a lot (I've built about
10 PC's) you want a case that makes it easy. If you're not, you
won't care, except you still want a quality power supply, the power
supply often being bundled with the case.
I prefer big honking cases that allow real easy parts replacements,
substitutions.
Here's the one for this computer, and my others are big variations.
I have plenty of work space.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16811165008R
Very easy to work with - massive and well thought.
I did a newegg review, but it looks like they discontinued the case
and the link is an "open box"
Think I paid $120 unpowered.

--Vic

Vic, here's a question for you. I've tried two different USB hubs. When I
plug them in, Windows starts looking for drivers and can find none. I've
tried going back to the XP reinstall disk, but Windows can't find drivers
there either.

Any ideas?

Anyone can jump on this, BTW.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

John H

"Kippered" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:27:34 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:09:36 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:39:28 -0500, Kippered
wrote:


I wouldn't go with a brand name like Dell, Gateway, or whatever.
There's a
computer shop down the road that will build them to order. I'll pay
the
extra hundred or two for them to do the work. I'll have to pick out
the
motherboard, etc, etc, etc. I'll ask for advice here, and some of the
experts will offer it.

Yeah. And case advice too. You need good case advice.

--Vic

Vic,
I thought the cases were fairly standard, and you just ordered them
based upon what motherboard you wanted to use and how many bays you
wanted to use.

Is there more to it?

Depends on your needs. John said something about going inside and
messing with them. If you're going to do that a lot (I've built about
10 PC's) you want a case that makes it easy. If you're not, you
won't care, except you still want a quality power supply, the power
supply often being bundled with the case.
I prefer big honking cases that allow real easy parts replacements,
substitutions.
Here's the one for this computer, and my others are big variations.
I have plenty of work space.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16811165008R
Very easy to work with - massive and well thought.
I did a newegg review, but it looks like they discontinued the case
and the link is an "open box"
Think I paid $120 unpowered.

--Vic

Vic, here's a question for you. I've tried two different USB hubs. When I
plug them in, Windows starts looking for drivers and can find none. I've
tried going back to the XP reinstall disk, but Windows can't find drivers
there either.

Any ideas?

Anyone can jump on this, BTW.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

John H

The two hubs you tried are they the same brand/model? It's hard to believe
that the generic USB drivers included with XP will not work.

Are the hubs USB 1 or USB 2?

Try the hub manufacturer's web site for driver information.

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:08:07 -0500, Kippered
wrote:

Vic, here's a question for you. I've tried two different USB hubs. When I
plug them in, Windows starts looking for drivers and can find none. I've
tried going back to the XP reinstall disk, but Windows can't find drivers
there either.

Any ideas?

Anyone can jump on this, BTW.

Don't know hardly anything about USB, as I'm not using it except for
mice and keyboards, and XP had the drivers.

--Vic

"D.Duck" wrote in message
...

"Kippered" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:27:34 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:09:36 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:39:28 -0500, Kippered
wrote:


I wouldn't go with a brand name like Dell, Gateway, or whatever.
There's a
computer shop down the road that will build them to order. I'll pay
the
extra hundred or two for them to do the work. I'll have to pick out
the
motherboard, etc, etc, etc. I'll ask for advice here, and some of the
experts will offer it.

Yeah. And case advice too. You need good case advice.

--Vic

Vic,
I thought the cases were fairly standard, and you just ordered them
based upon what motherboard you wanted to use and how many bays you
wanted to use.

Is there more to it?

Depends on your needs. John said something about going inside and
messing with them. If you're going to do that a lot (I've built about
10 PC's) you want a case that makes it easy. If you're not, you
won't care, except you still want a quality power supply, the power
supply often being bundled with the case.
I prefer big honking cases that allow real easy parts replacements,
substitutions.
Here's the one for this computer, and my others are big variations.
I have plenty of work space.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16811165008R
Very easy to work with - massive and well thought.
I did a newegg review, but it looks like they discontinued the case
and the link is an "open box"
Think I paid $120 unpowered.

--Vic

Vic, here's a question for you. I've tried two different USB hubs. When I
plug them in, Windows starts looking for drivers and can find none. I've
tried going back to the XP reinstall disk, but Windows can't find drivers
there either.

Any ideas?

Anyone can jump on this, BTW.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

John H

The two hubs you tried are they the same brand/model? It's hard to
believe that the generic USB drivers included with XP will not work.

Are the hubs USB 1 or USB 2?

Try the hub manufacturer's web site for driver information.

Are you using any USB devices that work properly?

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:12:51 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Kippered" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:27:34 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:09:36 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:39:28 -0500, Kippered
wrote:


I wouldn't go with a brand name like Dell, Gateway, or whatever.
There's a
computer shop down the road that will build them to order. I'll pay
the
extra hundred or two for them to do the work. I'll have to pick out
the
motherboard, etc, etc, etc. I'll ask for advice here, and some of the
experts will offer it.

Yeah. And case advice too. You need good case advice.

--Vic

Vic,
I thought the cases were fairly standard, and you just ordered them
based upon what motherboard you wanted to use and how many bays you
wanted to use.

Is there more to it?

Depends on your needs. John said something about going inside and
messing with them. If you're going to do that a lot (I've built about
10 PC's) you want a case that makes it easy. If you're not, you
won't care, except you still want a quality power supply, the power
supply often being bundled with the case.
I prefer big honking cases that allow real easy parts replacements,
substitutions.
Here's the one for this computer, and my others are big variations.
I have plenty of work space.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16811165008R
Very easy to work with - massive and well thought.
I did a newegg review, but it looks like they discontinued the case
and the link is an "open box"
Think I paid $120 unpowered.

--Vic

Vic, here's a question for you. I've tried two different USB hubs. When I
plug them in, Windows starts looking for drivers and can find none. I've
tried going back to the XP reinstall disk, but Windows can't find drivers
there either.

Any ideas?

Anyone can jump on this, BTW.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

John H

The two hubs you tried are they the same brand/model? It's hard to believe
that the generic USB drivers included with XP will not work.

Are the hubs USB 1 or USB 2?

Try the hub manufacturer's web site for driver information.


Different brands. I'm thinking that maybe the driver files in XP may be
bad. They're USB2.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

John H

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:04:56 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:


"D.Duck" wrote in message
m...

"Kippered" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:27:34 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:09:36 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:39:28 -0500, Kippered
wrote:


I wouldn't go with a brand name like Dell, Gateway, or whatever.
There's a
computer shop down the road that will build them to order. I'll pay
the
extra hundred or two for them to do the work. I'll have to pick out
the
motherboard, etc, etc, etc. I'll ask for advice here, and some of the
experts will offer it.

Yeah. And case advice too. You need good case advice.

--Vic

Vic,
I thought the cases were fairly standard, and you just ordered them
based upon what motherboard you wanted to use and how many bays you
wanted to use.

Is there more to it?

Depends on your needs. John said something about going inside and
messing with them. If you're going to do that a lot (I've built about
10 PC's) you want a case that makes it easy. If you're not, you
won't care, except you still want a quality power supply, the power
supply often being bundled with the case.
I prefer big honking cases that allow real easy parts replacements,
substitutions.
Here's the one for this computer, and my others are big variations.
I have plenty of work space.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16811165008R
Very easy to work with - massive and well thought.
I did a newegg review, but it looks like they discontinued the case
and the link is an "open box"
Think I paid $120 unpowered.

--Vic

Vic, here's a question for you. I've tried two different USB hubs. When I
plug them in, Windows starts looking for drivers and can find none. I've
tried going back to the XP reinstall disk, but Windows can't find drivers
there either.

Any ideas?

Anyone can jump on this, BTW.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

John H

The two hubs you tried are they the same brand/model? It's hard to
believe that the generic USB drivers included with XP will not work.

Are the hubs USB 1 or USB 2?

Try the hub manufacturer's web site for driver information.

Are you using any USB devices that work properly?


That's what's weird. The keyboard, mouse, external HD, Scandisk camera card
reader, all work well. Only the hubs don't work.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

John H