JG2U wrote:

You probably don't realize that is one of the fundamental purposes of
the church that you fight so hard against ... to provide an outreach
into the local community to provide assistance to those that need it,
and as part of a larger organization to provide it on a national and
world-wide level.

I don't fight against "the church" until it tries to shove itself in my
life.

hk wrote:
JG2U wrote:

You probably don't realize that is one of the fundamental purposes of
the church that you fight so hard against ... to provide an outreach
into the local community to provide assistance to those that need it,
and as part of a larger organization to provide it on a national and
world-wide level.

I don't fight against "the church" until it tries to shove itself in my
life.

Just say no thank you and close the door or keep walking. I do it to
pan-handlers.

hk wrote:
JG2U wrote:

You probably don't realize that is one of the fundamental purposes of
the church that you fight so hard against ... to provide an outreach
into the local community to provide assistance to those that need it,
and as part of a larger organization to provide it on a national and
world-wide level.

I don't fight against "the church" until it tries to shove itself in my
life.

Or, do like I do when the Jehovah's Witness' or Mormons show up at the
door. I tell them I will listen to their pitch but, they first have to
listen to my pitch to become a Catholic. Usually the say not thank you
and get on their way.

On Jan 26, 2:43*pm, BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
JG2U wrote:

You probably don't realize that is one of the fundamental purposes of
the church that you fight so hard against ... to provide an outreach
into the local community to provide assistance to those that need it,
and as part of a larger organization to provide it on a national and
world-wide level.

I don't fight against "the church" until it tries to shove itself in my
life.

Or, do like I do when the Jehovah's Witness' or Mormons show up at the
door. I tell them I will listen to their pitch but, they first have to
listen to my pitch to become a Catholic. Usually the say not thank you
and get on their way.

Do the Mormons really do that? Quite frankly, I doubt it, and if so
there is a training problem or it was a rare incident. These kids who
save and work their whole lives and pay their own way to all parts of
the world are there to interact and work within the community. Some of
the elderly here know that they can call on these kids to help around
the yard, stack or chop wood, put on a roof... and if you really don't
want to hear doctrine, you don't have to. Careful now what you guess,
I am a Mormon Although in general, I don't like their company, but
that is another story...they are not who I worship...

BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
JG2U wrote:

You probably don't realize that is one of the fundamental purposes of
the church that you fight so hard against ... to provide an outreach
into the local community to provide assistance to those that need it,
and as part of a larger organization to provide it on a national and
world-wide level.

I don't fight against "the church" until it tries to shove itself in
my life.

Or, do like I do when the Jehovah's Witness' or Mormons show up at the
door. I tell them I will listen to their pitch but, they first have to
listen to my pitch to become a Catholic. Usually the say not thank you
and get on their way.


You really truly are a dumb foch. I am not talking here about the door
to door church people.

On Jan 25, 8:44*pm, "JimH" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Jan 25, 3:58 pm, Kippered wrote:





On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:01:23 -0500, BAR wrote:
Kippered wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:12:51 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

"Kippered" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:27:34 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:09:36 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:39:28 -0500, Kippered
wrote:

I wouldn't go with a brand name like Dell, Gateway, or whatever..
There's a
computer shop down the road that will build them to order. I'll
pay
the
extra hundred or two for them to do the work. I'll have to pick
out
the
motherboard, etc, etc, etc. I'll ask for advice here, and some of
the
experts will offer it.

Yeah. And case advice too. You need good case advice.

--Vic
Vic,
I thought the cases were fairly standard, and you just ordered them
based upon what motherboard you wanted to use and how many bays you
wanted to use.

Is there more to it?

Depends on your needs. John said something about going inside and
messing with them. If you're going to do that a lot (I've built
about
10 PC's) you want a case that makes it easy. If you're not, you
won't care, except you still want a quality power supply, the power
supply often being bundled with the case.
I prefer big honking cases that allow real easy parts replacements,
substitutions.
Here's the one for this computer, and my others are big variations..
I have plenty of work space.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16811165008R
Very easy to work with - massive and well thought.
I did a newegg review, but it looks like they discontinued the case
and the link is an "open box"
Think I paid $120 unpowered.

--Vic
Vic, here's a question for you. I've tried two different USB hubs.
When I
plug them in, Windows starts looking for drivers and can find none.
I've
tried going back to the XP reinstall disk, but Windows can't find
drivers
there either.

Any ideas?

Anyone can jump on this, BTW.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

John H
The two hubs you tried are they the same brand/model? It's hard to
believe
that the generic USB drivers included with XP will not work.

Are the hubs USB 1 or USB 2?

Try the hub manufacturer's web site for driver information.

Different brands. I'm thinking that maybe the driver files in XP may be
bad. They're USB2.

Maybe an upgrade to VISTA is needed

WOW! There's an idea!

Let's see..;.new card, $10.99.

Vista...$143.00

Vista frustration...Priceless.

I like the card idea better.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Soooo, who is actually having problems with Vista here. We have it all
over the place here on dual boot systems, and friends are running it,
no one has jumped out a window yet (pardon the pun. Anyway, anyone
here "running" vista actually had or having any problems cause my
expereince for basic home business and home computing has been fine?
Sorry if I did not read the bash threads, but any or you having
problems that you can report?

=========

Scott, it was just another Reggie/John troll *to try to stir up an argument.

They never used it. *They believe everything they read from folks having
problems with it because either they upgraded to it and their computer is
not designed to run it OR they are too stupid to figure out how to run it.

The computers in our house are running WinXP and I will not upgrade to VISTA
because they were not built to run that OS.

My son's laptop, however, was built to run VISTA and it runs flawlessly for
him.

Let the trolls go..............they are just trying to start an
argument........following Booger's MO.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Jim, if you are above that, why the childish name calling?

On Jan 25, 8:14*pm, wrote:
On Jan 25, 3:58*pm, Kippered wrote:





On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:01:23 -0500, BAR wrote:
Kippered wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:12:51 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:

"Kippered" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:27:34 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:09:36 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:39:28 -0500, Kippered
wrote:

I wouldn't go with a brand name like Dell, Gateway, or whatever..
There's a
computer shop down the road that will build them to order. I'll pay
the
extra hundred or two for them to do the work. I'll have to pick out
the
motherboard, etc, etc, etc. I'll ask for advice here, and some of the
experts will offer it.

Yeah. *And case advice too. *You need good case advice.

--Vic
Vic,
I thought the cases were fairly standard, and you just ordered them
based upon what motherboard you wanted to use and how many bays you
wanted to use.

Is there more to it?

Depends on your needs. *John said something about going inside and
messing with them. *If you're going to do that a lot (I've built about
10 PC's) you want a case that makes it easy. * If you're not, you
won't care, except you still want a quality power supply, the power
supply often being bundled with the case.
I prefer big honking cases that allow real easy parts replacements,
substitutions.
Here's the one for this computer, and my others are big variations..
I have plenty of work space.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16811165008R
Very easy to work with - massive and well thought.
I did a newegg review, but it looks like they discontinued the case
and the link is an "open box"
Think I paid $120 unpowered.

--Vic
Vic, here's a question for you. I've tried two different USB hubs. When I
plug them in, Windows starts looking for drivers and can find none. I've
tried going back to the XP reinstall disk, but Windows can't find drivers
there either.

Any ideas?

Anyone can jump on this, BTW.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

* * * * *John H
The two hubs you tried are they the same brand/model? *It's hard to believe
that the generic USB drivers included with XP will not work.

Are the hubs USB 1 or USB 2?

Try the hub manufacturer's web site for driver information.

Different brands. I'm thinking that maybe the driver files in XP may be
bad. They're USB2.

Maybe an upgrade to VISTA is needed

WOW! There's an idea!

Let's see..;.new card, $10.99.

Vista...$143.00

Vista frustration...Priceless.

I like the card idea better.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****

* * * * * John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Soooo, who is actually having problems with Vista here. We have it all
over the place here on dual boot systems, and friends are running it,
no one has jumped out a window yet (pardon the pun. Anyway, anyone
here "running" vista actually had or having any problems cause my
expereince for basic home business and home computing has been fine?
Sorry if I did not read the bash threads, but any or you having
problems that you can report?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hey, Scott, go back to the 29 things to be happy about thread, you've
not shown me where I or the author said anything against Mormons.

On Jan 25, 8:44 pm, "JimH" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Jan 25, 3:58 pm, Kippered wrote:





On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:01:23 -0500, BAR wrote:
Kippered wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:12:51 -0500, "D.Duck" wrote:
"Kippered" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:27:34 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:09:36 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:39:28 -0500, Kippered
wrote:
I wouldn't go with a brand name like Dell, Gateway, or whatever.
There's a
computer shop down the road that will build them to order. I'll
pay
the
extra hundred or two for them to do the work. I'll have to pick
out
the
motherboard, etc, etc, etc. I'll ask for advice here, and some of
the
experts will offer it.
Yeah. And case advice too. You need good case advice.
--Vic
Vic,
I thought the cases were fairly standard, and you just ordered them
based upon what motherboard you wanted to use and how many bays you
wanted to use.
Is there more to it?
Depends on your needs. John said something about going inside and
messing with them. If you're going to do that a lot (I've built
about
10 PC's) you want a case that makes it easy. If you're not, you
won't care, except you still want a quality power supply, the power
supply often being bundled with the case.
I prefer big honking cases that allow real easy parts replacements,
substitutions.
Here's the one for this computer, and my others are big variations.
I have plenty of work space.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16811165008R
Very easy to work with - massive and well thought.
I did a newegg review, but it looks like they discontinued the case
and the link is an "open box"
Think I paid $120 unpowered.
--Vic
Vic, here's a question for you. I've tried two different USB hubs.
When I
plug them in, Windows starts looking for drivers and can find none.
I've
tried going back to the XP reinstall disk, but Windows can't find
drivers
there either.
Any ideas?
Anyone can jump on this, BTW.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****
John H
The two hubs you tried are they the same brand/model? It's hard to
believe
that the generic USB drivers included with XP will not work.
Are the hubs USB 1 or USB 2?
Try the hub manufacturer's web site for driver information.
Different brands. I'm thinking that maybe the driver files in XP may be
bad. They're USB2.
Maybe an upgrade to VISTA is needed
WOW! There's an idea!
Let's see..;.new card, $10.99.
Vista...$143.00
Vista frustration...Priceless.
I like the card idea better.
--
***** Hope your day is better than decent! *****
John H- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Soooo, who is actually having problems with Vista here. We have it all
over the place here on dual boot systems, and friends are running it,
no one has jumped out a window yet (pardon the pun. Anyway, anyone
here "running" vista actually had or having any problems cause my
expereince for basic home business and home computing has been fine?
Sorry if I did not read the bash threads, but any or you having
problems that you can report?

=========

Scott, it was just another Reggie/John troll to try to stir up an argument.

They never used it. They believe everything they read from folks having
problems with it because either they upgraded to it and their computer is
not designed to run it OR they are too stupid to figure out how to run it.

The computers in our house are running WinXP and I will not upgrade to VISTA
because they were not built to run that OS.

My son's laptop, however, was built to run VISTA and it runs flawlessly for
him.

Let the trolls go..............they are just trying to start an
argument........following Booger's MO.- Hide quoted text -



I'm not having any trouble with VISTA. I did have some problems
downloading and installing a *BETA* service pack. The issue was
investigated by MS, and it has been resolved.

As for Looger/Booger,well, he's an idiot.

wrote:
On Jan 26, 2:43 pm, BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
JG2U wrote:
You probably don't realize that is one of the fundamental purposes of
the church that you fight so hard against ... to provide an outreach
into the local community to provide assistance to those that need it,
and as part of a larger organization to provide it on a national and
world-wide level.
I don't fight against "the church" until it tries to shove itself in my
life.
Or, do like I do when the Jehovah's Witness' or Mormons show up at the
door. I tell them I will listen to their pitch but, they first have to
listen to my pitch to become a Catholic. Usually the say not thank you
and get on their way.

Do the Mormons really do that? Quite frankly, I doubt it, and if so
there is a training problem or it was a rare incident. These kids who
save and work their whole lives and pay their own way to all parts of
the world are there to interact and work within the community. Some of
the elderly here know that they can call on these kids to help around
the yard, stack or chop wood, put on a roof... and if you really don't
want to hear doctrine, you don't have to. Careful now what you guess,
I am a Mormon Although in general, I don't like their company, but
that is another story...they are not who I worship...

I don't have anything against Mormon's. I worked a Mormon and he was the
nicest and happiest guy I had ever met. His positive outlook and
enthusiasm got more out of you the a guy cracking a whip.

We used to have a 120# GSD, when we opened the door with one hand and
held the collar of Spike with the other you didn't get much of an
argument from anyone. Now that we have the wonder Beagle's we have to
do a bit more talking.

hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
JG2U wrote:

You probably don't realize that is one of the fundamental purposes of
the church that you fight so hard against ... to provide an outreach
into the local community to provide assistance to those that need it,
and as part of a larger organization to provide it on a national and
world-wide level.

I don't fight against "the church" until it tries to shove itself in
my life.

Or, do like I do when the Jehovah's Witness' or Mormons show up at the
door. I tell them I will listen to their pitch but, they first have to
listen to my pitch to become a Catholic. Usually the say not thank you
and get on their way.


You really truly are a dumb foch. I am not talking here about the door
to door church people.

Enlighten me Mr. Genius! What is the difference between the President of
the US saying God Bless and the guy knocking on your door with the
intent on converting you to his religion?