"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 13:56:05 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Here's what I'm thinking just based on reading things here and there.

Democrats favor Obama, then Edwards, then Clinton, then everybody
else.

I'm thinking Obama gets out with a lead of three or four points over
Edwards in second and Clinton a very close third to Edwards - say
within a point or two. Everybody else, Dodd, Biden, Krazyinich will
all slide to less than 4% of the vote in total.

Republicans - I'm thnking Romney with an insigificant lead over
Huckabee and Thompson a strong third. Ron Paultard will show a
surprising 13% of the vote from all the Paulbots that show up from
other states.

Now I need to call my bookie. :)

Meanwhile, McCain's the only Republican candidate with a spine.

As a person, I like McCain - as a President I could find him
acceptable - Keating Five beside the point. I'm not exaclty sure how
involved he was in it other than doing what he was supposed to do with
a constituent who contributed to his political organization.


Oddities surrounding political contributions. Now, there's something novel.
:-)

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Who are you hoping to vote for? Mike Huckleberry?


Hey, he plays a mean bass.

Eisboch
Well, gee, what else does the guy need?
As I have stated, I think he's an ok guy, but not for president. We're in
the last full year of President Numnutz, and I have seen nothing to
indicate Huck is any brighter about the world than Bush was and is. And
then there is Huck's "connection" to evangelicals. *That* is an automatic
disqualifier for me. No Jesus Freaks in the White House, please.



Being exceptionally "smart" doesn't do it for me. Many cunning criminals
are very "smart".

I want someone smart *enough* to surround himself/herself with decent,
knowledgeable and experienced staff members for counsel and advice, one who
isn't afraid to admit he/she is human and prone to mistakes, and above all
has the moral courage to use common sense based on sincere consideration
when making a tough decision.



Well, you certainly won't be voting Republican.


--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 10:46:08 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:


You are overlooking the root cause of inflated SWFL prices in the first
place: Easy lending standards which encouraged/fueled rampant
speculation. That started in the mid to late 90s and continued until
this year. The bubble began to burst 2 years ago after hurricane Wilma
convinced a lot of people to sell, and dried up the buyer pool.

This graph of historical home values, reminds me of the infamous Global
Warming Hockey Stick Graph. Something was obviously out of whack.

http://www.investingintelligently.co...ome_values.png

On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:54:14 -0000, wrote:

On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:40:16 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


As a person, I like McCain - as a President I could find him acceptable
- Keating Five beside the point. I'm not exaclty sure how involved he
was in it other than doing what he was supposed to do with a constituent
who contributed to his political organization.

Considering that he was the only Republican involved, it does leave one
to wonder.

The Senate Ethics Committee Special Counsel recommended McCain and Glenn
be dropped from the investigation, but there is speculation that didn't
happen because he was the lone Republican.

Exactly.

On Jan 2, 7:00�am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
Here's what I'm thinking just based on reading things here and there.

Democrats favor Obama, then Edwards, then Clinton, then everybody
else.

I'm thinking Obama gets out with a lead of three or four points over
Edwards in second and Clinton a very close third to Edwards - say
within a point or two. �Everybody else, Dodd, Biden, Krazyinich will
all slide to less than 4% of the vote in total.

Republicans - I'm thnking Romney with an insigificant lead over
Huckabee and Thompson a strong third. �Ron Paultard will show a
surprising 13% of the vote from all the Paulbots that show up from
other states.

Now I need to call my bookie. �:)

Meanwhile, McCain's the only Republican candidate with a spine.

I agree that McCain is the only GOP candidate with any class, and I agree
he has a spine, but...

I was less than impressed when he caved earlier this year on the torture
issue.

Everyone caved on the torture issue to some extent. It was unavoidable. And,
to be perfectly honest, I played a New Year's Eve gig that made
waterboarding look like a wine tasting tour in France.

McCain was interviewed a couple of weeks ago and he made a comment about
using the bully pulpit to ask Americans to consider certain sacrifices, the
details of which are not important here. FDR did exactly the same thing, and
Americans accepted his suggestions. Nowadays, mention this to certain
lizards in newsgroups and they say "guvmint control! guvmint control!"

If McCain actually does it, I'd be impressed.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

None of the major party candidates ever really reflect my personal
political principles, and that's good. My perspectives are too extreme
to be useful for the Executive of a country that needs to enlist a
variety of people with diverse ideas and agendas in order to get
anything done.
We've all seen the effects of various "uniters" vs. "dividers" in the
WH.
I believe it's better to have a person who can reach across the aisle
in both directions for support.

That reduces me to voting for personal character. I'm absolutely
opposed to his politics, (fortuntately we're going to elect a POTUS,
not a dictator), but from the perspective of character and personal
integrity
John McCain is definitely a front runner. Yeah, we would have to
overlook some past mistakes, but the only guy without a skeleton or
two in the closet is a guy who never accomplished anything.

I admire John McCain for standing up for fellow veteran and fellow
senator John Kerry when Kerry was being smeared and slandered by the
Swift Boaters in '04. McCain knew that the chrages were a combination
of distortion and unbridled BS, and wasn't afraid to say so. To me,
that indicates a preference for truth above partisan politics. That
stand, and some similar over the years, is probably what will cost
McCain any chance to win the R nomination. A candidate needs to appeal
to the party fanatics during the primaries, and then switch gears and
appeal to the center after the conventions. The R party fanatics don't
like McCain all that much- but he would appeal to most of the folks in
the middle. At least IMO.

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
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On Jan 2, 7:00?am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
Here's what I'm thinking just based on reading things here and there.

Democrats favor Obama, then Edwards, then Clinton, then everybody
else.

I'm thinking Obama gets out with a lead of three or four points over
Edwards in second and Clinton a very close third to Edwards - say
within a point or two. ?Everybody else, Dodd, Biden, Krazyinich will
all slide to less than 4% of the vote in total.

Republicans - I'm thnking Romney with an insigificant lead over
Huckabee and Thompson a strong third. ?Ron Paultard will show a
surprising 13% of the vote from all the Paulbots that show up from
other states.

Now I need to call my bookie. ?:)

Meanwhile, McCain's the only Republican candidate with a spine.

I agree that McCain is the only GOP candidate with any class, and I
agree
he has a spine, but...

I was less than impressed when he caved earlier this year on the torture
issue.

Everyone caved on the torture issue to some extent. It was unavoidable.
And,
to be perfectly honest, I played a New Year's Eve gig that made
waterboarding look like a wine tasting tour in France.

McCain was interviewed a couple of weeks ago and he made a comment about
using the bully pulpit to ask Americans to consider certain sacrifices,
the
details of which are not important here. FDR did exactly the same thing,
and
Americans accepted his suggestions. Nowadays, mention this to certain
lizards in newsgroups and they say "guvmint control! guvmint control!"

If McCain actually does it, I'd be impressed.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

None of the major party candidates ever really reflect my personal
political principles, and that's good. My perspectives are too extreme
to be useful for the Executive of a country that needs to enlist a
variety of people with diverse ideas and agendas in order to get
anything done.
We've all seen the effects of various "uniters" vs. "dividers" in the
WH.
I believe it's better to have a person who can reach across the aisle
in both directions for support.

That reduces me to voting for personal character. I'm absolutely
opposed to his politics, (fortuntately we're going to elect a POTUS,
not a dictator), but from the perspective of character and personal
integrity
John McCain is definitely a front runner. Yeah, we would have to
overlook some past mistakes, but the only guy without a skeleton or
two in the closet is a guy who never accomplished anything.

I admire John McCain for standing up for fellow veteran and fellow
senator John Kerry when Kerry was being smeared and slandered by the
Swift Boaters in '04. McCain knew that the chrages were a combination
of distortion and unbridled BS, and wasn't afraid to say so. To me,
that indicates a preference for truth above partisan politics. That
stand, and some similar over the years, is probably what will cost
McCain any chance to win the R nomination. A candidate needs to appeal
to the party fanatics during the primaries, and then switch gears and
appeal to the center after the conventions. The R party fanatics don't
like McCain all that much- but he would appeal to most of the folks in
the middle. At least IMO.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


I'll be talking to my dad in a few minutes, and I'll ask him who he thinks
is the best candidate. He's always wrong, but the information is amusing.

Chuck Gould wrote:

I admire John McCain for standing up for fellow veteran and fellow
senator John Kerry when Kerry was being smeared and slandered by the
Swift Boaters in '04. McCain knew that the chrages were a combination
of distortion and unbridled BS, and wasn't afraid to say so. To me,
that indicates a preference for truth above partisan politics. That
stand, and some similar over the years, is probably what will cost
McCain any chance to win the R nomination. A candidate needs to appeal
to the party fanatics during the primaries, and then switch gears and
appeal to the center after the conventions. The R party fanatics don't
like McCain all that much- but he would appeal to most of the folks in
the middle. At least IMO.

I don't believe McCain has what it takes to appeal to the simpie
fundies, and they are the ones that control most of the GOP. But I would
like to see him win because it might help restore a little honor and
integrity to the GOP, a party nearly destroyed by the Bush "divide with
fear and conquer" tactics of the last seven years.

I think the GOP nominee will be Huckabee. If it is, I believe he'll be
drowned in the general election, and that will be good for the
Republican Party, because it will be able to use that loss as an excuse
to distance itself from the screwball "religious" voters.

"HK" wrote in message
...
Chuck Gould wrote:

I admire John McCain for standing up for fellow veteran and fellow
senator John Kerry when Kerry was being smeared and slandered by the
Swift Boaters in '04. McCain knew that the chrages were a combination
of distortion and unbridled BS, and wasn't afraid to say so. To me,
that indicates a preference for truth above partisan politics. That
stand, and some similar over the years, is probably what will cost
McCain any chance to win the R nomination. A candidate needs to appeal
to the party fanatics during the primaries, and then switch gears and
appeal to the center after the conventions. The R party fanatics don't
like McCain all that much- but he would appeal to most of the folks in
the middle. At least IMO.

I don't believe McCain has what it takes to appeal to the simpie fundies,
and they are the ones that control most of the GOP. But I would like to
see him win because it might help restore a little honor and integrity to
the GOP, a party nearly destroyed by the Bush "divide with fear and
conquer" tactics of the last seven years.

I think the GOP nominee will be Huckabee. If it is, I believe he'll be
drowned in the general election, and that will be good for the Republican
Party, because it will be able to use that loss as an excuse to distance
itself from the screwball "religious" voters.



Fortunately, some big time Christian sects have already distanced themselves
from the Republicans for various reasons, mostly involving ethics. 2007 was
a great year for hot gay Republican sex along with hypocrisy about the
subject. That should help drive a wedge between the party and the sects.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Chuck Gould wrote:
I admire John McCain for standing up for fellow veteran and fellow
senator John Kerry when Kerry was being smeared and slandered by the
Swift Boaters in '04. McCain knew that the chrages were a combination
of distortion and unbridled BS, and wasn't afraid to say so. To me,
that indicates a preference for truth above partisan politics. That
stand, and some similar over the years, is probably what will cost
McCain any chance to win the R nomination. A candidate needs to appeal
to the party fanatics during the primaries, and then switch gears and
appeal to the center after the conventions. The R party fanatics don't
like McCain all that much- but he would appeal to most of the folks in
the middle. At least IMO.
I don't believe McCain has what it takes to appeal to the simpie fundies,
and they are the ones that control most of the GOP. But I would like to
see him win because it might help restore a little honor and integrity to
the GOP, a party nearly destroyed by the Bush "divide with fear and
conquer" tactics of the last seven years.

I think the GOP nominee will be Huckabee. If it is, I believe he'll be
drowned in the general election, and that will be good for the Republican
Party, because it will be able to use that loss as an excuse to distance
itself from the screwball "religious" voters.



Fortunately, some big time Christian sects have already distanced themselves
from the Republicans for various reasons, mostly involving ethics. 2007 was
a great year for hot gay Republican sex along with hypocrisy about the
subject. That should help drive a wedge between the party and the sects.





Who are the fundies going to vote for? Republicans, of course.



--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 08:04:02 -0800, Chuck Gould wrote:


That reduces me to voting for personal character. I'm absolutely opposed
to his politics, (fortuntately we're going to elect a POTUS, not a
dictator), but from the perspective of character and personal integrity
John McCain is definitely a front runner. Yeah, we would have to
overlook some past mistakes, but the only guy without a skeleton or two
in the closet is a guy who never accomplished anything.

For me, the two most important attributes in a Presidential candidate are
competence and honor, then, down the list, politics. Frankly, I'm not
sure which, competence or honor, is most important for me, but since it's
rare a candidate has either, I usually just end up going for the
candidate that comes closest to my politics. I keep thinking, 300
million people, and this is the best we can do?

Perhaps, Mike Bloomberg will run. I'd vote for him in a heartbeat.
While I think he might make a good President, I'd vote for him because it
would send a strong message to *both* Republicans and Democrats, that we
don't need them anymore. I felt the same way about that chicken-****,
candidate one day, not the next, Ross Perot.