On Jan 3, 12:14�pm, WaIIy wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:34:25 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould

wrote:
Printing of almost everything except some periodicals and daily
newspapers is moving offshore.

Untrue by a longshot.

Try going to one of the Chicago print shows.

It's not all offshore yet.

But,

The number of items we see printed in Mexico, China, (and in
Shortwave's example Brazil) is increasing very rapidly. I know of
specific cases where publishers who previously printed in the US have
started using Chinese presses within the last year or so.

WaIIy wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 16:06:32 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Jan 3, 12:14?pm, WaIIy wrote:
On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 09:34:25 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould

wrote:
Printing of almost everything except some periodicals and daily
newspapers is moving offshore.
Untrue by a longshot.

Try going to one of the Chicago print shows.
It's not all offshore yet.

But,

The number of items we see printed in Mexico, China, (and in
Shortwave's example Brazil) is increasing very rapidly. I know of
specific cases where publishers who previously printed in the US have
started using Chinese presses within the last year or so.

There's no doubt more is going overseas, which is a bad trend.

I could pop Nixon over the head for opening up China to our markets as
he did. I could also pop every president, senator and congressman who
has allowed the many and prolific trade practices which account for our
unreal trade deficit.

It is just the evolution of manufacturing. But, you have to ask your
self how the Japanese took over the automobile manufacturing business
world wide with the only native resource being the labor.

On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:12:29 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:55:17 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

I know this to be a faked version, since I
am on the Forte Agent beta team.

So this over priced junk program I'm using is YOUR fault?

I'd pay more, if I got features I would *use*.

Figures. :)

No.... I refuse to take credit. In fact, I've become so disenchanted
with the direction Forte is taking with Agent (whatever that is) that
I am looking at alternatives.


PS: I'd love to give your BETA team some ideas on how to down size
this monster and make it more usable.

You are preaching to the choir. I can't say a lot of things I'd love
to say.... I signed a non-disclosure agreement.

I'd better zip-it.....

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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:12:29 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:55:17 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

I know this to be a faked version, since I
am on the Forte Agent beta team.
So this over priced junk program I'm using is YOUR fault?

I'd pay more, if I got features I would *use*.

Figures. :)

No.... I refuse to take credit. In fact, I've become so disenchanted
with the direction Forte is taking with Agent (whatever that is) that
I am looking at alternatives.

PS: I'd love to give your BETA team some ideas on how to down size
this monster and make it more usable.

You are preaching to the choir. I can't say a lot of things I'd love
to say.... I signed a non-disclosure agreement.

I'd better zip-it.....



I have to say, Gene, that I admire your patience and tenacity in
sticking with a software program that was a decade behind the times a
decade ago and still is.

I try the latest iteration of Forte about once every two years, and
always seem to have the same response to it..."my god, they actually
charge for this p.o.s.?"

Meanwhile, I have an issue with a Russian software program I've been
using for more than a year. The latest iteration causes Windows (XP or
VISTA) to suddenly freeze with many programs that use copy and paste,
such as the program I use to record a file name on a download website
and then paste it into a download manager.

Arrrgh.

The user group knows of the problem and the Russkis have been "working
on a solution." For a month. So in the meantime I have had to remove
the offending program.

HK wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:12:29 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:55:17 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

I know this to be a faked version, since I
am on the Forte Agent beta team.
So this over priced junk program I'm using is YOUR fault?

I'd pay more, if I got features I would *use*.

Figures. :)

No.... I refuse to take credit. In fact, I've become so disenchanted
with the direction Forte is taking with Agent (whatever that is) that
I am looking at alternatives.

PS: I'd love to give your BETA team some ideas on how to down size
this monster and make it more usable.

You are preaching to the choir. I can't say a lot of things I'd love
to say.... I signed a non-disclosure agreement.

I'd better zip-it.....



I have to say, Gene, that I admire your patience and tenacity in
sticking with a software program that was a decade behind the times a
decade ago and still is.

I try the latest iteration of Forte about once every two years, and
always seem to have the same response to it..."my god, they actually
charge for this p.o.s.?"

Meanwhile, I have an issue with a Russian software program I've been
using for more than a year. The latest iteration causes Windows (XP or
VISTA) to suddenly freeze with many programs that use copy and paste,
such as the program I use to record a file name on a download website
and then paste it into a download manager.

Arrrgh.

The user group knows of the problem and the Russkis have been "working
on a solution." For a month. So in the meantime I have had to remove
the offending program.


Harry, If I can help you solve your Window problem let me know.

On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:59:21 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:12:29 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:55:17 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

I know this to be a faked version, since I
am on the Forte Agent beta team.

So this over priced junk program I'm using is YOUR fault?

I'd pay more, if I got features I would *use*.

Figures. :)

No.... I refuse to take credit. In fact, I've become so disenchanted
with the direction Forte is taking with Agent (whatever that is) that
I am looking at alternatives.

Out of curiosity, what's the diff between the newer versions and the
1.93 I'm using? I stopped at 1.93 because an upgrade would have
cost, and I've been happy with it anyway.
I'm thinking I'm missing something about newsreaders, having stuck
with Agent for more than a decade.

--Vic

On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:44:12 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:59:21 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:12:29 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:55:17 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

I know this to be a faked version, since I
am on the Forte Agent beta team.

So this over priced junk program I'm using is YOUR fault?

I'd pay more, if I got features I would *use*.

Figures. :)

No.... I refuse to take credit. In fact, I've become so disenchanted
with the direction Forte is taking with Agent (whatever that is) that
I am looking at alternatives.

Out of curiosity, what's the diff between the newer versions and the
1.93 I'm using? I stopped at 1.93 because an upgrade would have
cost, and I've been happy with it anyway.
I'm thinking I'm missing something about newsreaders, having stuck
with Agent for more than a decade.

--Vic

Vic, I'm using 1.91, and have been doing so for a bunch of years. Most of
the complaining I've heard has been with the new versions. I *did* download
and install a new version a year or so ago, and didn't like it at all.
Thank God, I'd kept the old download file so I could reinstall the old one
which works great.
--
John H

On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 08:20:00 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:44:12 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:


Out of curiosity, what's the diff between the newer versions and the
1.93 I'm using? I stopped at 1.93 because an upgrade would have
cost, and I've been happy with it anyway.
I'm thinking I'm missing something about newsreaders, having stuck
with Agent for more than a decade.

--Vic

Vic, I'm using 1.91, and have been doing so for a bunch of years. Most of
the complaining I've heard has been with the new versions. I *did* download
and install a new version a year or so ago, and didn't like it at all.
Thank God, I'd kept the old download file so I could reinstall the old one
which works great.

Guess I'm not missing anything then.
When I upgraded to 1.9x there was added YENC functionality,
but I didn't see anything in future upgrades that tickled my fancy.

--Vic

On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 11:30:12 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 08:20:00 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:44:12 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:


Out of curiosity, what's the diff between the newer versions and the
1.93 I'm using? I stopped at 1.93 because an upgrade would have
cost, and I've been happy with it anyway.
I'm thinking I'm missing something about newsreaders, having stuck
with Agent for more than a decade.

--Vic

Vic, I'm using 1.91, and have been doing so for a bunch of years. Most of
the complaining I've heard has been with the new versions. I *did* download
and install a new version a year or so ago, and didn't like it at all.
Thank God, I'd kept the old download file so I could reinstall the old one
which works great.

Guess I'm not missing anything then.
When I upgraded to 1.9x there was added YENC functionality,
but I didn't see anything in future upgrades that tickled my fancy.

--Vic

exactly
--
John H

On Jan 2, 8:45*pm, wrote:
On Jan 2, 7:21*pm, BAR wrote:





D-unit wrote:
"HK" wrote in messagenewsvydnfmi0MgXUubanZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@comca st.com...
D-unit wrote:
Small offset printing Gene.

We make IR dryers/Powder Spray attachments
for the 11x17 market (and a few larger ones)

AB Dick, ATF Davidson, Multigraphics, Heidelberg, etc...

We have a machine shop and make all our own parts (I think
Im going to miss having access to that the most. *It came in
quite handy back during the Maco refurb days. I could walk
in with a mini-project back in those days and 3 guys would
fight over who was going to get to work on it.)

Don

"Gene Kearns" wrote in messagenews:lginn39h5lp82o6rqkpjacrmpj1afh0l2u@4ax .com...
On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:28:13 -0500, D-unit penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|I've worked for the same
|company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and
|watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early
|90's.

Doing what? Rotogravure? Blanking? Steel Rule Dies/Embossing?

Been there done that.... it sucks....

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I've love to have a nice 11x17 offset press. It's the workhorse of all
manner of campaigns!

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Hell,

AB Dick 360's are practically free these days.
Supplies aren't however.

HP practically gives away printers. But, charges an arm and a leg for a
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We did the math one day on ink and it came to over $5,000 per gallon.
It is a raquet.

pretty expensive coal dust