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On Jan 2, 1:25*pm, HK wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:34:46 -0500, Eisboch penned the following well
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|
|"D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message
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|
|
|
| I hope you're right but I doubt it. *The housing market
| is up to its eyeballs in forclosures with more to come and
| credit card debt is at an all time high.
|
| I've worked for the same
| company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and
| watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early
| 90's. *Things have sucked pretty bad for the last 2 years
| and its a miricle we're still here. *Unfortunately, the
| writing is on the wall as we have enough money left
| for about 1 more pay period. *Too bad its not boating
| season as it looks like I might have some free time on
| my hands coming up.
|
| Don
|
|I hate to hear stories like that. *Is the downturn in your industry economy
|related or is it due to diminishing requirements for printed material?
|
|Eisboch *(went through many close calls over the years)


Except for small and/or time critical jobs, most of your
printing/publishing has gone offshore.....


Thank goodness that isn't true for printing jobs of my clients. We print
only with U.S. or Canadian shops, and with U.S./Canadian paper and inks.- Hide quoted text -

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What about the electronic components in all of the machines used? Do
you check those to make sure they are all made in the U.S. or Canada?
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On Jan 2, 12:41*pm, "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote:
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"D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message
.. .


I hope you're right but I doubt it. *The housing market
is up to its eyeballs in forclosures with more to come and
credit card debt is at an all time high.


I've worked for the same
company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and
watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early
90's. *Things have sucked pretty bad for the last 2 years
and its a miricle we're still here. *Unfortunately, the
writing is on the wall as we have enough money left
for about 1 more pay period. *Too bad its not boating
season as it looks like I might have some free time on
my hands coming up.


Don


I hate to hear stories like that. *Is the downturn in your industry economy
related or is it due to diminishing requirements for printed material?


Computer/Digital technology is the culprit. *Most folks are happy
with the quality of color copies (or the like) rather than *real*
offset printing.



Eisboch *(went through many close calls over the years)


We've had so many I've lost count but Im afraid its a little
too close this time.

Just the same, I hope you're right about the economy. *I would
like to see the real estate market rebound soon.

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Is there a possiblilty that your company could change tactics, perhaps
start getting into computer technology? I personally send
electronically produced drawings to a local shop to have sets made,
stapled and bound. They'll even overnight them via UPS to whomever I
want them to go, then back charge me for it.
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"HK" wrote in message
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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:34:46 -0500, Eisboch penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|
|"D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message
...
|
|
|
| I hope you're right but I doubt it. The housing market
| is up to its eyeballs in forclosures with more to come and
| credit card debt is at an all time high.
|
| I've worked for the same
| company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and
| watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early
| 90's. Things have sucked pretty bad for the last 2 years
| and its a miricle we're still here. Unfortunately, the
| writing is on the wall as we have enough money left
| for about 1 more pay period. Too bad its not boating
| season as it looks like I might have some free time on
| my hands coming up.
|
| Don
|
|I hate to hear stories like that. Is the downturn in your industry
economy |related or is it due to diminishing requirements for printed
material?
|
|Eisboch (went through many close calls over the years)

Except for small and/or time critical jobs, most of your
printing/publishing has gone offshore.....



Thank goodness that isn't true for printing jobs of my clients. We print
only with U.S. or Canadian shops, and with U.S./Canadian paper and inks.


The newsprint/paper mills here are having a rough time lately. The soaring
loonie makes our stuff that much more expensive to American buyers.
I have a brother-in-law who works at the Stora Mill.
http://www.storaenso.com/CDAvgn/main...-4371-,00.html
Last month an American company bought the mill after the Finnish owners
wrang every concession out of the provincial gov't and the workers union.
What usually follows next is more arm twisting and then closure with the
machinery shipped to Mexico or elsewhere.
latest examples...
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia...r-trenton.html
http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.c...article/164528


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I'm suure you're right Harry. Some of those boats get sold, because
some people don't use them enough to have money tied up in them,
especially if they have to pay storage fees etc. or they figure they
can sell it outright and do better than trading them in for a larger/
better craft. Around here paople sell them because they want some 4-
wheeler to go deer hunting or just romping though the woods.

One thing I DON'T see on the used market very much is bass/fishing
style boats. seems that they get used eyar around on the local lakes.
and when they do come up for sale, they don't last in the yard very
long before someone snipes them up really quick.

HK wrote:
Tim wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
I'll betcha that by May or June all the talk will be about how robust the
US economy is.

Eisboch

In the face of another half million American families losing their homes,
the creation of mostly "McJob" jobs, a few million more Americans without
health insurance, slumping retail sales, and a few more cuts in the prime
rate that have no impact?

Are you pimping for a job in the remains of the Bush Administration? :}
Heh. Hardly.
Just reporting a promising trend amidst all the doom and gloom we get
saturated with everyday.

Eisboch


Well, I've said this before, that if Ebay is any kind of an economic
barometer, I've noticed that "used" boats are selling higher than the
same compatable crafts did a couple years ago. This winter which is
usually seems to be a buyers market. Boats are tending to sell for
better than in the spring time when people are boat hungry with tax
refund checks in hand.



There sure seem to be a lot of boats for sale. I passed three on my
visit down to the bay yesterday, and they weren't out there on the edge
of the road last week. Went down to the nearby marina and also saw a lot
of FOR SALE signs, especially on the larger boats. Didn't see or notice
any prices, just a lot of FOR SALE signs.


--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

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D-unit wrote:
Small offset printing Gene.

We make IR dryers/Powder Spray attachments
for the 11x17 market (and a few larger ones)

AB Dick, ATF Davidson, Multigraphics, Heidelberg, etc...

We have a machine shop and make all our own parts (I think
Im going to miss having access to that the most. It came in
quite handy back during the Maco refurb days. I could walk
in with a mini-project back in those days and 3 guys would
fight over who was going to get to work on it.)



Don




"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ...
On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:28:13 -0500, D-unit penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|I've worked for the same
|company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and
|watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early
|90's.

Doing what? Rotogravure? Blanking? Steel Rule Dies/Embossing?

Been there done that.... it sucks....

--

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I've love to have a nice 11x17 offset press. It's the workhorse of all
manner of campaigns!

--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!


Hell,

AB Dick 360's are practically free these days.
Supplies aren't however.

db





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On Jan 2, 12:41 pm, "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in messagenews:LpydnXZpepmgVubanZ2dnUVZ_oOnnZ2d@gigan ews.com...

"D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message
.. .


I hope you're right but I doubt it. The housing market
is up to its eyeballs in forclosures with more to come and
credit card debt is at an all time high.


I've worked for the same
company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and
watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early
90's. Things have sucked pretty bad for the last 2 years
and its a miricle we're still here. Unfortunately, the
writing is on the wall as we have enough money left
for about 1 more pay period. Too bad its not boating
season as it looks like I might have some free time on
my hands coming up.


Don


I hate to hear stories like that. Is the downturn in your industry economy
related or is it due to diminishing requirements for printed material?


Computer/Digital technology is the culprit. Most folks are happy
with the quality of color copies (or the like) rather than *real*
offset printing.



Eisboch (went through many close calls over the years)


We've had so many I've lost count but Im afraid its a little
too close this time.

Just the same, I hope you're right about the economy. I would
like to see the real estate market rebound soon.

db- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Is there a possiblilty that your company could change tactics, perhaps
start getting into computer technology? I personally send
electronically produced drawings to a local shop to have sets made,
stapled and bound. They'll even overnight them via UPS to whomever I
want them to go, then back charge me for it.

We actually have evolved in that way for many years now.
Lets just say that the store hasn't been minded well as of late.....

long story snipped

Its most irrelevent at this point Im afraid.

db



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"D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
news
D-unit wrote:
Small offset printing Gene.

We make IR dryers/Powder Spray attachments
for the 11x17 market (and a few larger ones)

AB Dick, ATF Davidson, Multigraphics, Heidelberg, etc...

We have a machine shop and make all our own parts (I think
Im going to miss having access to that the most. It came in
quite handy back during the Maco refurb days. I could walk
in with a mini-project back in those days and 3 guys would
fight over who was going to get to work on it.)



Don




"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:28:13 -0500, D-unit penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|I've worked for the same
|company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and
|watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early
|90's.

Doing what? Rotogravure? Blanking? Steel Rule Dies/Embossing?

Been there done that.... it sucks....

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

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I've love to have a nice 11x17 offset press. It's the workhorse of all
manner of campaigns!

--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!


Hell,

AB Dick 360's are practically free these days.
Supplies aren't however.

db


My brother was president of AB Dick in the early 90's.


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wrote in message news:4eceeb75-d4c2-4916-ba85-
Is there a possiblilty that your company could change tactics, perhaps
start getting into computer technology? I personally send
electronically produced drawings to a local shop to have sets made,
stapled and bound. They'll even overnight them via UPS to whomever I
want them to go, then back charge me for it.



We actually have evolved in that way for many years now.
Lets just say that the store hasn't been minded well as of late.....

long story snipped

Its most irrelevent at this point Im afraid.

db



That's a shame. There's a lot more to a company than the current technology
it uses. Trust, relationships developed with customers over the years and
name recognition are what the company.

I think it's time for some new thinkers, who have knowledge and respect for
the culture of the company to take over and set some new directions.

(Hint, hint).

Eisboch


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D-unit wrote:
"HK" wrote in message news
D-unit wrote:
Small offset printing Gene.

We make IR dryers/Powder Spray attachments
for the 11x17 market (and a few larger ones)

AB Dick, ATF Davidson, Multigraphics, Heidelberg, etc...

We have a machine shop and make all our own parts (I think
Im going to miss having access to that the most. It came in
quite handy back during the Maco refurb days. I could walk
in with a mini-project back in those days and 3 guys would
fight over who was going to get to work on it.)



Don




"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ...
On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:28:13 -0500, D-unit penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|I've worked for the same
|company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and
|watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early
|90's.

Doing what? Rotogravure? Blanking? Steel Rule Dies/Embossing?

Been there done that.... it sucks....

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats
-----------------
www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed*
Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road
-----------------


I've love to have a nice 11x17 offset press. It's the workhorse of all
manner of campaigns!

--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!


Hell,

AB Dick 360's are practically free these days.
Supplies aren't however.


HP practically gives away printers. But, charges an arm and a leg for a
toner or ink cartridge.


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On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:08:03 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

I think it's time for some new thinkers, who have knowledge and respect for
the culture of the company to take over and set some new directions.


Yep.

However, remember Not Invented Here Syndrome.

Speaking of which, you ought to hear my verison of the Marine Corps
Hymn on my new toy.

If I can figure out how to get it to the computer, I'll send it to
you.

It's a riot. Music plus 'Splosions, gun fire and ooorahs!

Next up - Anchors Aweigh - with drowning sounds.
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