Gene Kearns wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:52:29 -0500, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


| Another significant consideration is that
| in some of the ecnomically developing countries a variety of cheaply
| available but dangerous inks can be used that are no longer legal in
| the US or Canada. In many of these countries, there is a lot less risk
| of class-action lawsuits 10-20 years down the road as workers become
| sickened by exposure to a variety of chemicals or a lack of many
| "expensive" safety precautions that would be mandated in the US.

Along with unfriendly inks is the problem of solvents. One of the
MAJOR expenses in printing is reclamation of solvent vapors.

| Shipping costs of the finished product are higher, of course, but for
| items like a novel (with perhaps a $20 cover price on a paperback)
| there is enough revenue generated per unit sold to offset the
| increased shipping.
|
|I followed everything but the cover price concept. Why would anyone
|care what the cover price is? If they can manufacture and ship the
|product to the US cheaper than manufacturing and shipping the product
|from the USA, it shouldn't matter if it has a $1 cover price or a $100
|cover price.

Bean counters? If you print a million copies, a $100 cover vs. a $1
cover is $99,000,000! That sort of number gets attention. The
difference in price of $.50 over 100,000 copies would mean the gain or
loss of $50,000! It adds up fast.

If you can print and ship an average book for $1.00 less then doing it
in the US, it doesn't matter what the cover price is. If the book has a
cover price of $100 but they are only selling 1,000 of them, they will
save themselves a $1,000. If you sell a book for $10, but sell
1,000,000 you have increased your profit by a million dollars. The
cover price should not impact in your cost analysis.

Shipping.... now, that.... *I* don't get. How can I buy a Chinese made
anvil weighing 50# from a retail/importer company for less than I
could just ship the anvil across town? Do we need a level playing
field?

On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:09:03 -0500, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


|why was his comment a troll?
|

You know, that is really a pretty good question!

I don't usually jump to the conclusion that a person is a troll, but
there are signs.

Generally,
Beyond the obvious, this sucks, they suck, that sucks..... the troll
usually finds some opportunity to say "you suck," especially if they
have never posted to that person before. Thus, a person's behavior is
characteristic of trolling if they have never posted in the newsgroup
before and pop in from nowhere with an inflammatory post (usually some
sort of unsupported or un cited declaration that a poster doesn't
don't know what they are talking about).

Specifically,
This poster (NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.160.177.0) must live close to a
huge printing concern that has had a profound affect on that fairly
rural setting. He knew, or should have known, that his post was not
accurate. I have worked with people that left that plant, because of
economic conditions, and have worked as a tech. rep. alongside workers
IN that plant.

A google of posts by WaIIy yields nothing that
relates to any subject discussed, either on topic or otherwise. He
posts as a neophyte, but apparently knows enough to fiddle with his
newsreader at the source level using a binary or hexadecimal editor.

Bogus and Pointless Headers:
X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 6.52/64.614 Beta-03 (American)
What is the point of this? (I know this to be a faked version, since I
am on the Forte Agent beta team. I have already submitted this
poster's hack to Forte as a violation of Forte's TOS.)

|Is it possible he was just uniformed?

I guess all things are *possible*.... in this case, I think... highly
unlikely.

It is a good question and there is a lot more to be written on the
point, but I don't have the time to do it, now.....

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"HK" wrote in message
news D-unit wrote:
Small offset printing Gene.

We make IR dryers/Powder Spray attachments
for the 11x17 market (and a few larger ones)

AB Dick, ATF Davidson, Multigraphics, Heidelberg, etc...

We have a machine shop and make all our own parts (I think
Im going to miss having access to that the most. It came in
quite handy back during the Maco refurb days. I could walk
in with a mini-project back in those days and 3 guys would
fight over who was going to get to work on it.)



Don




"Gene Kearns" wrote in
message
...
On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:28:13 -0500, D-unit penned the following
well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|I've worked for the same
|company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and
|watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early
|90's.

Doing what? Rotogravure? Blanking? Steel Rule Dies/Embossing?

Been there done that.... it sucks....

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I've love to have a nice 11x17 offset press. It's the workhorse of
all
manner of campaigns!

--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

Hell,

AB Dick 360's are practically free these days.
Supplies aren't however.

db

My brother was president of AB Dick in the early 90's.



Those were the days my friend. AB Dick was manufacturing 28
9800 series presses a day, and our equipment installed
on about 1/2 of those. I visited the factory on Touhy Ave. many
times back in those days. That building was massive.
(never met the prez. though, just the marketing/tech guys)
Fun times indeed.

They have since been bought out by "Presstech".


db

Yep, my brother said when British GE, I think that was the name, bought
ABD,
the hand writing was on the wall.

As a point of interest, my brother and I grew up about 5 miles west of
ABD
and two blocks south of Touhy. I, not he, hunted rabbits in the '50s on
the
land where ABD now stands.


How cool is that?


I started my career with AT&T across the street from ABD at what in the
60s
was Teletype Corp. We moved out of that building in '89 and moved to
Naperville. Then in '92 I transferred down here to Florida and retired
in
'94. Haven't been back in the winter since!


I hope to one day follow in your retirement footsteps in FL. (or at least
do the snowbird thing). We love RV-ing.


Don


Better rethink your choice of retirement spots. Florida is pretty full, why
not try Arizona? ;)

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message


Not true, here. Still VERY much a buyer's market.... and there seems
to be damn few of those. Not just small fry, either! We have a
constellation of properties, an 80M bankruptcy that isn't finding any
takers (offers, but not enough backing from lenders to make it
happen). Would you like to own a pier?


Ummm,

you mean Yaupon?

By the way, what happened to all those big condo's
that were supposed to be built at the old LBP site?
The last time I checked, its still a pile of sand
filled with "For Sale" signs.

The loss of the Long Beach Pier still ****es me off.

db

On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:55:17 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

I know this to be a faked version, since I
am on the Forte Agent beta team.

So this over priced junk program I'm using is YOUR fault?

Figures. :)

PS: I'd love to give your BETA team some ideas on how to down size
this monster and make it more usable.

On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:16:44 -0500, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|Gene Kearns wrote:
| On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:52:29 -0500, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
| the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:
|
|
| | Another significant consideration is that
| | in some of the ecnomically developing countries a variety of cheaply
| | available but dangerous inks can be used that are no longer legal in
| | the US or Canada. In many of these countries, there is a lot less risk
| | of class-action lawsuits 10-20 years down the road as workers become
| | sickened by exposure to a variety of chemicals or a lack of many
| | "expensive" safety precautions that would be mandated in the US.
|
| Along with unfriendly inks is the problem of solvents. One of the
| MAJOR expenses in printing is reclamation of solvent vapors.
|
| | Shipping costs of the finished product are higher, of course, but for
| | items like a novel (with perhaps a $20 cover price on a paperback)
| | there is enough revenue generated per unit sold to offset the
| | increased shipping.
| |
| |I followed everything but the cover price concept. Why would anyone
| |care what the cover price is? If they can manufacture and ship the
| |product to the US cheaper than manufacturing and shipping the product
| |from the USA, it shouldn't matter if it has a $1 cover price or a $100
| |cover price.
|
| Bean counters? If you print a million copies, a $100 cover vs. a $1
| cover is $99,000,000! That sort of number gets attention. The
| difference in price of $.50 over 100,000 copies would mean the gain or
| loss of $50,000! It adds up fast.
|
|If you can print and ship an average book for $1.00 less then doing it
|in the US, it doesn't matter what the cover price is. If the book has a
|cover price of $100 but they are only selling 1,000 of them, they will
|save themselves a $1,000. If you sell a book for $10, but sell
|1,000,000 you have increased your profit by a million dollars. The
|cover price should not impact in your cost analysis.
|
| Shipping.... now, that.... *I* don't get. How can I buy a Chinese made
| anvil weighing 50# from a retail/importer company for less than I
| could just ship the anvil across town? Do we need a level playing
| field?
|

Hmmm... on second read, I think we are talking apples and oranges. You
are saying "cover price" and I am thinking "price of the cover".....

If the OP was talking about the cost of the cover, my point makes
sense. Covers are often embossed, foil stamped, and any other of a
number of proce$$$$$es.

I can easily imagine the cost of producing the cover to approach, if
not exceed, the cost of printing the *rest* of the book.

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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:16:44 -0500, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|Gene Kearns wrote:
| On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:52:29 -0500, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
| the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:
|
|
| | Another significant consideration is that
| | in some of the ecnomically developing countries a variety of cheaply
| | available but dangerous inks can be used that are no longer legal in
| | the US or Canada. In many of these countries, there is a lot less risk
| | of class-action lawsuits 10-20 years down the road as workers become
| | sickened by exposure to a variety of chemicals or a lack of many
| | "expensive" safety precautions that would be mandated in the US.
|
| Along with unfriendly inks is the problem of solvents. One of the
| MAJOR expenses in printing is reclamation of solvent vapors.
|
| | Shipping costs of the finished product are higher, of course, but for
| | items like a novel (with perhaps a $20 cover price on a paperback)
| | there is enough revenue generated per unit sold to offset the
| | increased shipping.
| |
| |I followed everything but the cover price concept. Why would anyone
| |care what the cover price is? If they can manufacture and ship the
| |product to the US cheaper than manufacturing and shipping the product
| |from the USA, it shouldn't matter if it has a $1 cover price or a $100
| |cover price.
|
| Bean counters? If you print a million copies, a $100 cover vs. a $1
| cover is $99,000,000! That sort of number gets attention. The
| difference in price of $.50 over 100,000 copies would mean the gain or
| loss of $50,000! It adds up fast.
|
|If you can print and ship an average book for $1.00 less then doing it
|in the US, it doesn't matter what the cover price is. If the book has a
|cover price of $100 but they are only selling 1,000 of them, they will
|save themselves a $1,000. If you sell a book for $10, but sell
|1,000,000 you have increased your profit by a million dollars. The
|cover price should not impact in your cost analysis.
|
| Shipping.... now, that.... *I* don't get. How can I buy a Chinese made
| anvil weighing 50# from a retail/importer company for less than I
| could just ship the anvil across town? Do we need a level playing
| field?
|

Hmmm... on second read, I think we are talking apples and oranges. You
are saying "cover price" and I am thinking "price of the cover".....

If the OP was talking about the cost of the cover, my point makes
sense. Covers are often embossed, foil stamped, and any other of a
number of proce$$$$$es.

I can easily imagine the cost of producing the cover to approach, if
not exceed, the cost of printing the *rest* of the book.


And Chuck might have been talking about the same thing you are.

On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:44:56 -0500, D-unit penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|
|"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
|
|
| Not true, here. Still VERY much a buyer's market.... and there seems
| to be damn few of those. Not just small fry, either! We have a
| constellation of properties, an 80M bankruptcy that isn't finding any
| takers (offers, but not enough backing from lenders to make it
| happen).

These are the properties:
http://www.starnewsonline.com/articl...709290397/1004
first they're sold, then they're not, then they're sold, then they're
not, then they're sold, then they're not.......

|Would you like to own a pier?
|
|
|Ummm,
|
|you mean Yaupon?

Yes! The Town of Oak Island, based on the mayor's wishes, placed a bid
on the pier... which was accepted. The idiotic town council voted NOT
to proceed with the purchase. Bonner Stiller is attempting to save the
day. I hope he succeeds.
http://www.starnewsonline.com/articl...30/1004/news01

|By the way, what happened to all those big condo's
|that were supposed to be built at the old LBP site?
|The last time I checked, its still a pile of sand
|filled with "For Sale" signs.
|
|The loss of the Long Beach Pier still ****es me off.

It does me, too. I hope it remains, for the remainder of the lives of
the current owners, an empty sand lot littered with for sale signs.

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On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:11:33 -0500, WaIIy penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 10:56:14 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:
|
|On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 04:48:57 -0500, WaIIy penned
|the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:
|
|
||That's total baloney.
||
||You obviously know nothing about the printing industry.
||
||Look at "little" companies like RR Donnelley and Quebecor, to
||name just two.
||
||Consolidation has been happening in the printing business for years.
|
|First, I'd like to observe your post as a lame-ass troll.... but, I'll
|calmly respond. That seems important to some....
|
|Your response is emotional, not fact-based and hardly calm.
|
|
|RR Donnelley.... what can I say? This is straight from their web site:
|"We provide integrated onsite-offshore Business Process Outsourcing
|services to Fortune 500 companies and to professional services firms
|through our operations in North America, Europe, India, Sri Lanka and
|the Philippines. Our judgment-based outsourcing solutions address a
|variety of needs for vertical segments that include financial
|services, publishing, manufacturing, transportation,
|telecommunications, healthcare, advertising, investment banking and
|more."
|http://www.rrdonnelley.com/wwwRRD1/S...fficeTiger.asp
|
|A rose by any other name???? What does "offshore" mean to you?
|
|Hmmmmm, the one book plant in Ohio does over 500 million dollars a year
|on it's own.
|
|One plant that's 1.3 MILLION square feet and 1800 employees.
|Actually, they are so big, they have their own zip code - 44888
|
|RRD has a lot more in the USA, look it up.
|
|
|Quebecor? What has that got to do with anything? Their "global
|presence" doesn't even include a location in the US. They don't even
|make a pretext of being "ONshore!"
|
|Your research is flawed. There is a giant magazine plant in Midland
|Michigan and that's just off the top of my head.
|Quebecor has a strong US presence.
|
|
|Your posting address shows West Monroe, LA. I used to call frequently
|on a printing outfit there - Manville. If you are anywhere near there,
|you must know the story of Manville = Riverwood = Riverwood Holding
|(which is now "...a global packaging company..." ).
|
|I live in Cleveland, not Cleveland LA.
|
|
|As I calmly noted, a lame-ass troll devoid of any truth.... but you
|knew that.
|
|I can trade potshots, but I won't.
|
|You have no idea of what you're talking about.

Troll...... plonk.

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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:11:33 -0500, WaIIy penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 10:56:14 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:
|
|On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 04:48:57 -0500, WaIIy penned
|the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:
|
|
||That's total baloney.
||
||You obviously know nothing about the printing industry.
||
||Look at "little" companies like RR Donnelley and Quebecor, to
||name just two.
||
||Consolidation has been happening in the printing business for years.
|
|First, I'd like to observe your post as a lame-ass troll.... but, I'll
|calmly respond. That seems important to some....
|
|Your response is emotional, not fact-based and hardly calm.
|
|
|RR Donnelley.... what can I say? This is straight from their web site:
|"We provide integrated onsite-offshore Business Process Outsourcing
|services to Fortune 500 companies and to professional services firms
|through our operations in North America, Europe, India, Sri Lanka and
|the Philippines. Our judgment-based outsourcing solutions address a
|variety of needs for vertical segments that include financial
|services, publishing, manufacturing, transportation,
|telecommunications, healthcare, advertising, investment banking and
|more."
|http://www.rrdonnelley.com/wwwRRD1/S...fficeTiger.asp
|
|A rose by any other name???? What does "offshore" mean to you?
|
|Hmmmmm, the one book plant in Ohio does over 500 million dollars a year
|on it's own.
|
|One plant that's 1.3 MILLION square feet and 1800 employees.
|Actually, they are so big, they have their own zip code - 44888
|
|RRD has a lot more in the USA, look it up.
|
|
|Quebecor? What has that got to do with anything? Their "global
|presence" doesn't even include a location in the US. They don't even
|make a pretext of being "ONshore!"
|
|Your research is flawed. There is a giant magazine plant in Midland
|Michigan and that's just off the top of my head.
|Quebecor has a strong US presence.
|
|
|Your posting address shows West Monroe, LA. I used to call frequently
|on a printing outfit there - Manville. If you are anywhere near there,
|you must know the story of Manville = Riverwood = Riverwood Holding
|(which is now "...a global packaging company..." ).
|
|I live in Cleveland, not Cleveland LA.
|
|
|As I calmly noted, a lame-ass troll devoid of any truth.... but you
|knew that.
|
|I can trade potshots, but I won't.
|
|You have no idea of what you're talking about.

Troll...... plonk.



Is this Wally the dumbest guy to ever post here you've plonked, or some
other Wally?