Gene Kearns wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:06:51 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 10:56:14 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:
|
|Quebecor? What has that got to do with anything? Their "global
|presence" doesn't even include a location in the US. They don't even
|make a pretext of being "ONshore!"
|
|Um...No?
|
|Quebecor has a plant in Michigan and Kentucky I believe.

It appears that they consider themselves a Canadian company...
foreign, anyway, not US. That makes them a ridiculous choice to
support the troll's statements.

I suspect that they have money collection centers in nearly (if not)
every state.... that ca$h then gets wired (along with other printing
orders, via optical network) to Canada, France, Spain, or
Argentina....

It sorta looks like they are crashing and burning, anyway. In '03
their stock was worth Can$37.75 and is now trading at around Can$1.49.


Gene,
I really don't know what percent of their business is printed locally
and what percent is overseas, but why was his comment a troll?

Is it possible he was just uniformed?

On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:09:03 -0500, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


|why was his comment a troll?
|

You know, that is really a pretty good question!

I don't usually jump to the conclusion that a person is a troll, but
there are signs.

Generally,
Beyond the obvious, this sucks, they suck, that sucks..... the troll
usually finds some opportunity to say "you suck," especially if they
have never posted to that person before. Thus, a person's behavior is
characteristic of trolling if they have never posted in the newsgroup
before and pop in from nowhere with an inflammatory post (usually some
sort of unsupported or un cited declaration that a poster doesn't
don't know what they are talking about).

Specifically,
This poster (NNTP-Posting-Host: 72.160.177.0) must live close to a
huge printing concern that has had a profound affect on that fairly
rural setting. He knew, or should have known, that his post was not
accurate. I have worked with people that left that plant, because of
economic conditions, and have worked as a tech. rep. alongside workers
IN that plant.

A google of posts by WaIIy yields nothing that
relates to any subject discussed, either on topic or otherwise. He
posts as a neophyte, but apparently knows enough to fiddle with his
newsreader at the source level using a binary or hexadecimal editor.

Bogus and Pointless Headers:
X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 6.52/64.614 Beta-03 (American)
What is the point of this? (I know this to be a faked version, since I
am on the Forte Agent beta team. I have already submitted this
poster's hack to Forte as a violation of Forte's TOS.)

|Is it possible he was just uniformed?

I guess all things are *possible*.... in this case, I think... highly
unlikely.

It is a good question and there is a lot more to be written on the
point, but I don't have the time to do it, now.....

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

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On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:55:17 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

I know this to be a faked version, since I
am on the Forte Agent beta team.

So this over priced junk program I'm using is YOUR fault?

Figures. :)

PS: I'd love to give your BETA team some ideas on how to down size
this monster and make it more usable.

On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:12:29 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:55:17 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

I know this to be a faked version, since I
am on the Forte Agent beta team.

So this over priced junk program I'm using is YOUR fault?

I'd pay more, if I got features I would *use*.

Figures. :)

No.... I refuse to take credit. In fact, I've become so disenchanted
with the direction Forte is taking with Agent (whatever that is) that
I am looking at alternatives.


PS: I'd love to give your BETA team some ideas on how to down size
this monster and make it more usable.

You are preaching to the choir. I can't say a lot of things I'd love
to say.... I signed a non-disclosure agreement.

I'd better zip-it.....

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:12:29 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:55:17 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

I know this to be a faked version, since I
am on the Forte Agent beta team.
So this over priced junk program I'm using is YOUR fault?

I'd pay more, if I got features I would *use*.

Figures. :)

No.... I refuse to take credit. In fact, I've become so disenchanted
with the direction Forte is taking with Agent (whatever that is) that
I am looking at alternatives.

PS: I'd love to give your BETA team some ideas on how to down size
this monster and make it more usable.

You are preaching to the choir. I can't say a lot of things I'd love
to say.... I signed a non-disclosure agreement.

I'd better zip-it.....



I have to say, Gene, that I admire your patience and tenacity in
sticking with a software program that was a decade behind the times a
decade ago and still is.

I try the latest iteration of Forte about once every two years, and
always seem to have the same response to it..."my god, they actually
charge for this p.o.s.?"

Meanwhile, I have an issue with a Russian software program I've been
using for more than a year. The latest iteration causes Windows (XP or
VISTA) to suddenly freeze with many programs that use copy and paste,
such as the program I use to record a file name on a download website
and then paste it into a download manager.

Arrrgh.

The user group knows of the problem and the Russkis have been "working
on a solution." For a month. So in the meantime I have had to remove
the offending program.

HK wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:12:29 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:55:17 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

I know this to be a faked version, since I
am on the Forte Agent beta team.
So this over priced junk program I'm using is YOUR fault?

I'd pay more, if I got features I would *use*.

Figures. :)

No.... I refuse to take credit. In fact, I've become so disenchanted
with the direction Forte is taking with Agent (whatever that is) that
I am looking at alternatives.

PS: I'd love to give your BETA team some ideas on how to down size
this monster and make it more usable.

You are preaching to the choir. I can't say a lot of things I'd love
to say.... I signed a non-disclosure agreement.

I'd better zip-it.....



I have to say, Gene, that I admire your patience and tenacity in
sticking with a software program that was a decade behind the times a
decade ago and still is.

I try the latest iteration of Forte about once every two years, and
always seem to have the same response to it..."my god, they actually
charge for this p.o.s.?"

Meanwhile, I have an issue with a Russian software program I've been
using for more than a year. The latest iteration causes Windows (XP or
VISTA) to suddenly freeze with many programs that use copy and paste,
such as the program I use to record a file name on a download website
and then paste it into a download manager.

Arrrgh.

The user group knows of the problem and the Russkis have been "working
on a solution." For a month. So in the meantime I have had to remove
the offending program.


Harry, If I can help you solve your Window problem let me know.

On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:59:21 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:12:29 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:55:17 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

I know this to be a faked version, since I
am on the Forte Agent beta team.

So this over priced junk program I'm using is YOUR fault?

I'd pay more, if I got features I would *use*.

Figures. :)

No.... I refuse to take credit. In fact, I've become so disenchanted
with the direction Forte is taking with Agent (whatever that is) that
I am looking at alternatives.

Out of curiosity, what's the diff between the newer versions and the
1.93 I'm using? I stopped at 1.93 because an upgrade would have
cost, and I've been happy with it anyway.
I'm thinking I'm missing something about newsreaders, having stuck
with Agent for more than a decade.

--Vic

On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:44:12 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:59:21 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:12:29 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:55:17 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

I know this to be a faked version, since I
am on the Forte Agent beta team.

So this over priced junk program I'm using is YOUR fault?

I'd pay more, if I got features I would *use*.

Figures. :)

No.... I refuse to take credit. In fact, I've become so disenchanted
with the direction Forte is taking with Agent (whatever that is) that
I am looking at alternatives.

Out of curiosity, what's the diff between the newer versions and the
1.93 I'm using? I stopped at 1.93 because an upgrade would have
cost, and I've been happy with it anyway.
I'm thinking I'm missing something about newsreaders, having stuck
with Agent for more than a decade.

--Vic

Vic, I'm using 1.91, and have been doing so for a bunch of years. Most of
the complaining I've heard has been with the new versions. I *did* download
and install a new version a year or so ago, and didn't like it at all.
Thank God, I'd kept the old download file so I could reinstall the old one
which works great.
--
John H

On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 08:20:00 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:44:12 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:


Out of curiosity, what's the diff between the newer versions and the
1.93 I'm using? I stopped at 1.93 because an upgrade would have
cost, and I've been happy with it anyway.
I'm thinking I'm missing something about newsreaders, having stuck
with Agent for more than a decade.

--Vic

Vic, I'm using 1.91, and have been doing so for a bunch of years. Most of
the complaining I've heard has been with the new versions. I *did* download
and install a new version a year or so ago, and didn't like it at all.
Thank God, I'd kept the old download file so I could reinstall the old one
which works great.

Guess I'm not missing anything then.
When I upgraded to 1.9x there was added YENC functionality,
but I didn't see anything in future upgrades that tickled my fancy.

--Vic