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On Jan 2, 12:41 pm, "D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in messagenews:LpydnXZpepmgVubanZ2dnUVZ_oOnnZ2d@gigan ews.com...

"D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message
.. .

I hope you're right but I doubt it. The housing market
is up to its eyeballs in forclosures with more to come and
credit card debt is at an all time high.

I've worked for the same
company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and
watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early
90's. Things have sucked pretty bad for the last 2 years
and its a miricle we're still here. Unfortunately, the
writing is on the wall as we have enough money left
for about 1 more pay period. Too bad its not boating
season as it looks like I might have some free time on
my hands coming up.

Don

I hate to hear stories like that. Is the downturn in your industry economy
related or is it due to diminishing requirements for printed material?

Computer/Digital technology is the culprit. Most folks are happy
with the quality of color copies (or the like) rather than *real*
offset printing.



Eisboch (went through many close calls over the years)

We've had so many I've lost count but Im afraid its a little
too close this time.

Just the same, I hope you're right about the economy. I would
like to see the real estate market rebound soon.

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Is there a possiblilty that your company could change tactics, perhaps
start getting into computer technology? I personally send
electronically produced drawings to a local shop to have sets made,
stapled and bound. They'll even overnight them via UPS to whomever I
want them to go, then back charge me for it.

We actually have evolved in that way for many years now.
Lets just say that the store hasn't been minded well as of late.....

long story snipped

Its most irrelevent at this point Im afraid.

db

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:34:46 -0500, Eisboch penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|
|"D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message
...
|
|
|
| I hope you're right but I doubt it. The housing market
| is up to its eyeballs in forclosures with more to come and
| credit card debt is at an all time high.
|
| I've worked for the same
| company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and
| watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early
| 90's. Things have sucked pretty bad for the last 2 years
| and its a miricle we're still here. Unfortunately, the
| writing is on the wall as we have enough money left
| for about 1 more pay period. Too bad its not boating
| season as it looks like I might have some free time on
| my hands coming up.
|
| Don
|
|I hate to hear stories like that. Is the downturn in your industry economy
|related or is it due to diminishing requirements for printed material?
|
|Eisboch (went through many close calls over the years)

Except for small and/or time critical jobs, most of your
printing/publishing has gone offshore.....

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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:34:46 -0500, Eisboch penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|
|"D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message
...
|
|
|
| I hope you're right but I doubt it. The housing market
| is up to its eyeballs in forclosures with more to come and
| credit card debt is at an all time high.
|
| I've worked for the same
| company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and
| watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early
| 90's. Things have sucked pretty bad for the last 2 years
| and its a miricle we're still here. Unfortunately, the
| writing is on the wall as we have enough money left
| for about 1 more pay period. Too bad its not boating
| season as it looks like I might have some free time on
| my hands coming up.
|
| Don
|
|I hate to hear stories like that. Is the downturn in your industry economy
|related or is it due to diminishing requirements for printed material?
|
|Eisboch (went through many close calls over the years)

Except for small and/or time critical jobs, most of your
printing/publishing has gone offshore.....



Thank goodness that isn't true for printing jobs of my clients. We print
only with U.S. or Canadian shops, and with U.S./Canadian paper and inks.

On Jan 2, 1:25*pm, HK wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:34:46 -0500, Eisboch penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|
|"D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message
...
|
|
|
| I hope you're right but I doubt it. *The housing market
| is up to its eyeballs in forclosures with more to come and
| credit card debt is at an all time high.
|
| I've worked for the same
| company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and
| watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early
| 90's. *Things have sucked pretty bad for the last 2 years
| and its a miricle we're still here. *Unfortunately, the
| writing is on the wall as we have enough money left
| for about 1 more pay period. *Too bad its not boating
| season as it looks like I might have some free time on
| my hands coming up.
|
| Don
|
|I hate to hear stories like that. *Is the downturn in your industry economy
|related or is it due to diminishing requirements for printed material?
|
|Eisboch *(went through many close calls over the years)

Except for small and/or time critical jobs, most of your
printing/publishing has gone offshore.....

Thank goodness that isn't true for printing jobs of my clients. We print
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What about the electronic components in all of the machines used? Do
you check those to make sure they are all made in the U.S. or Canada?

"HK" wrote in message
...
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:34:46 -0500, Eisboch penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|
|"D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message
...
|
|
|
| I hope you're right but I doubt it. The housing market
| is up to its eyeballs in forclosures with more to come and
| credit card debt is at an all time high.
|
| I've worked for the same
| company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and
| watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early
| 90's. Things have sucked pretty bad for the last 2 years
| and its a miricle we're still here. Unfortunately, the
| writing is on the wall as we have enough money left
| for about 1 more pay period. Too bad its not boating
| season as it looks like I might have some free time on
| my hands coming up.
|
| Don
|
|I hate to hear stories like that. Is the downturn in your industry
economy |related or is it due to diminishing requirements for printed
material?
|
|Eisboch (went through many close calls over the years)

Except for small and/or time critical jobs, most of your
printing/publishing has gone offshore.....



Thank goodness that isn't true for printing jobs of my clients. We print
only with U.S. or Canadian shops, and with U.S./Canadian paper and inks.

The newsprint/paper mills here are having a rough time lately. The soaring
loonie makes our stuff that much more expensive to American buyers.
I have a brother-in-law who works at the Stora Mill.
http://www.storaenso.com/CDAvgn/main...-4371-,00.html
Last month an American company bought the mill after the Finnish owners
wrang every concession out of the provincial gov't and the workers union.
What usually follows next is more arm twisting and then closure with the
machinery shipped to Mexico or elsewhere.
latest examples...
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia...r-trenton.html
http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.c...article/164528

HK wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:34:46 -0500, Eisboch penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|
|"D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message
...
|
|
|
| I hope you're right but I doubt it. The housing market
| is up to its eyeballs in forclosures with more to come and
| credit card debt is at an all time high.
|
| I've worked for the same
| company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and
| watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early
| 90's. Things have sucked pretty bad for the last 2 years
| and its a miricle we're still here. Unfortunately, the
| writing is on the wall as we have enough money left
| for about 1 more pay period. Too bad its not boating
| season as it looks like I might have some free time on
| my hands coming up.
|
| Don
|
|I hate to hear stories like that. Is the downturn in your industry
economy |related or is it due to diminishing requirements for printed
material?
|
|Eisboch (went through many close calls over the years)

Except for small and/or time critical jobs, most of your
printing/publishing has gone offshore.....



Thank goodness that isn't true for printing jobs of my clients. We print
only with U.S. or Canadian shops, and with U.S./Canadian paper and inks.

You forgot to put the plug in for US or Canadian Union Labor/Labour.

On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 04:48:57 -0500, WaIIy penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


|That's total baloney.
|
|You obviously know nothing about the printing industry.
|
|Look at "little" companies like RR Donnelley and Quebecor, to
|name just two.
|
|Consolidation has been happening in the printing business for years.

First, I'd like to observe your post as a lame-ass troll.... but, I'll
calmly respond. That seems important to some....

RR Donnelley.... what can I say? This is straight from their web site:
"We provide integrated onsite-offshore Business Process Outsourcing
services to Fortune 500 companies and to professional services firms
through our operations in North America, Europe, India, Sri Lanka and
the Philippines. Our judgment-based outsourcing solutions address a
variety of needs for vertical segments that include financial
services, publishing, manufacturing, transportation,
telecommunications, healthcare, advertising, investment banking and
more."
http://www.rrdonnelley.com/wwwRRD1/S...fficeTiger.asp

A rose by any other name???? What does "offshore" mean to you?

Quebecor? What has that got to do with anything? Their "global
presence" doesn't even include a location in the US. They don't even
make a pretext of being "ONshore!"

Your posting address shows West Monroe, LA. I used to call frequently
on a printing outfit there - Manville. If you are anywhere near there,
you must know the story of Manville = Riverwood = Riverwood Holding
(which is now "...a global packaging company..." ).


As I calmly noted, a lame-ass troll devoid of any truth.... but you
knew that.

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On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 10:56:14 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

Quebecor? What has that got to do with anything? Their "global
presence" doesn't even include a location in the US. They don't even
make a pretext of being "ONshore!"

Um...No?

Quebecor has a plant in Michigan and Kentucky I believe.

I may have the two states wrong, but I know they have two large plants
here in the US.

However, related to this, I'm looking at one of my newest novels fresh
from Amazon - printed in Brazil.

On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:11:33 -0500, WaIIy penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 10:56:14 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:
|
|On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 04:48:57 -0500, WaIIy penned
|the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:
|
|
||That's total baloney.
||
||You obviously know nothing about the printing industry.
||
||Look at "little" companies like RR Donnelley and Quebecor, to
||name just two.
||
||Consolidation has been happening in the printing business for years.
|
|First, I'd like to observe your post as a lame-ass troll.... but, I'll
|calmly respond. That seems important to some....
|
|Your response is emotional, not fact-based and hardly calm.
|
|
|RR Donnelley.... what can I say? This is straight from their web site:
|"We provide integrated onsite-offshore Business Process Outsourcing
|services to Fortune 500 companies and to professional services firms
|through our operations in North America, Europe, India, Sri Lanka and
|the Philippines. Our judgment-based outsourcing solutions address a
|variety of needs for vertical segments that include financial
|services, publishing, manufacturing, transportation,
|telecommunications, healthcare, advertising, investment banking and
|more."
|http://www.rrdonnelley.com/wwwRRD1/S...fficeTiger.asp
|
|A rose by any other name???? What does "offshore" mean to you?
|
|Hmmmmm, the one book plant in Ohio does over 500 million dollars a year
|on it's own.
|
|One plant that's 1.3 MILLION square feet and 1800 employees.
|Actually, they are so big, they have their own zip code - 44888
|
|RRD has a lot more in the USA, look it up.
|
|
|Quebecor? What has that got to do with anything? Their "global
|presence" doesn't even include a location in the US. They don't even
|make a pretext of being "ONshore!"
|
|Your research is flawed. There is a giant magazine plant in Midland
|Michigan and that's just off the top of my head.
|Quebecor has a strong US presence.
|
|
|Your posting address shows West Monroe, LA. I used to call frequently
|on a printing outfit there - Manville. If you are anywhere near there,
|you must know the story of Manville = Riverwood = Riverwood Holding
|(which is now "...a global packaging company..." ).
|
|I live in Cleveland, not Cleveland LA.
|
|
|As I calmly noted, a lame-ass troll devoid of any truth.... but you
|knew that.
|
|I can trade potshots, but I won't.
|
|You have no idea of what you're talking about.

Troll...... plonk.

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