Tim wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
I'll betcha that by May or June all the talk will be about how robust the
US economy is.

Eisboch

In the face of another half million American families losing their homes,
the creation of mostly "McJob" jobs, a few million more Americans without
health insurance, slumping retail sales, and a few more cuts in the prime
rate that have no impact?

Are you pimping for a job in the remains of the Bush Administration? :}
Heh. Hardly.
Just reporting a promising trend amidst all the doom and gloom we get
saturated with everyday.

Eisboch

Well, I've said this before, that if Ebay is any kind of an economic
barometer, I've noticed that "used" boats are selling higher than the
same compatable crafts did a couple years ago. This winter which is
usually seems to be a buyers market. Boats are tending to sell for
better than in the spring time when people are boat hungry with tax
refund checks in hand.


There sure seem to be a lot of boats for sale. I passed three on my
visit down to the bay yesterday, and they weren't out there on the edge
of the road last week. Went down to the nearby marina and also saw a lot
of FOR SALE signs, especially on the larger boats. Didn't see or notice
any prices, just a lot of FOR SALE signs.


--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:28:13 -0500, D-unit penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|I've worked for the same
|company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and
|watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early
|90's.

Doing what? Rotogravure? Blanking? Steel Rule Dies/Embossing?

Been there done that.... it sucks....

--

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"D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message
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I hope you're right but I doubt it. The housing market
is up to its eyeballs in forclosures with more to come and
credit card debt is at an all time high.

I've worked for the same
company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and
watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early
90's. Things have sucked pretty bad for the last 2 years
and its a miricle we're still here. Unfortunately, the
writing is on the wall as we have enough money left
for about 1 more pay period. Too bad its not boating
season as it looks like I might have some free time on
my hands coming up.

Don

I hate to hear stories like that. Is the downturn in your industry economy
related or is it due to diminishing requirements for printed material?

Eisboch (went through many close calls over the years)

Small offset printing Gene.

We make IR dryers/Powder Spray attachments
for the 11x17 market (and a few larger ones)

AB Dick, ATF Davidson, Multigraphics, Heidelberg, etc...

We have a machine shop and make all our own parts (I think
Im going to miss having access to that the most. It came in
quite handy back during the Maco refurb days. I could walk
in with a mini-project back in those days and 3 guys would
fight over who was going to get to work on it.)



Don




"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ...
On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:28:13 -0500, D-unit penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|I've worked for the same
|company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and
|watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early
|90's.

Doing what? Rotogravure? Blanking? Steel Rule Dies/Embossing?

Been there done that.... it sucks....

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

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"Eisboch" wrote in message ...

"D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message
...



I hope you're right but I doubt it. The housing market
is up to its eyeballs in forclosures with more to come and
credit card debt is at an all time high.

I've worked for the same
company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and
watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early
90's. Things have sucked pretty bad for the last 2 years
and its a miricle we're still here. Unfortunately, the
writing is on the wall as we have enough money left
for about 1 more pay period. Too bad its not boating
season as it looks like I might have some free time on
my hands coming up.

Don

I hate to hear stories like that. Is the downturn in your industry economy
related or is it due to diminishing requirements for printed material?

Computer/Digital technology is the culprit. Most folks are happy
with the quality of color copies (or the like) rather than *real*
offset printing.

Eisboch (went through many close calls over the years)


We've had so many I've lost count but Im afraid its a little
too close this time.

Just the same, I hope you're right about the economy. I would
like to see the real estate market rebound soon.

db

D-unit wrote:
Small offset printing Gene.

We make IR dryers/Powder Spray attachments
for the 11x17 market (and a few larger ones)

AB Dick, ATF Davidson, Multigraphics, Heidelberg, etc...

We have a machine shop and make all our own parts (I think
Im going to miss having access to that the most. It came in
quite handy back during the Maco refurb days. I could walk
in with a mini-project back in those days and 3 guys would
fight over who was going to get to work on it.)



Don




"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ...
On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:28:13 -0500, D-unit penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|I've worked for the same
|company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and
|watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early
|90's.

Doing what? Rotogravure? Blanking? Steel Rule Dies/Embossing?

Been there done that.... it sucks....

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

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I've love to have a nice 11x17 offset press. It's the workhorse of all
manner of campaigns!

--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

HK wrote:
D-unit wrote:
Small offset printing Gene.

We make IR dryers/Powder Spray attachments
for the 11x17 market (and a few larger ones)

AB Dick, ATF Davidson, Multigraphics, Heidelberg, etc...

We have a machine shop and make all our own parts (I think
Im going to miss having access to that the most. It came in
quite handy back during the Maco refurb days. I could walk
in with a mini-project back in those days and 3 guys would
fight over who was going to get to work on it.)



Don




"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:28:13 -0500, D-unit penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|I've worked for the same
|company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and
|watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early
|90's.

Doing what? Rotogravure? Blanking? Steel Rule Dies/Embossing?

Been there done that.... it sucks....

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide
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I've love to have a nice 11x17 offset press. It's the workhorse of all
manner of campaigns!


Why don't you buy one?

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:35:09 -0500, D-unit penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|Small offset printing Gene.
|
|We make IR dryers/Powder Spray attachments
|for the 11x17 market (and a few larger ones)
|
|AB Dick, ATF Davidson, Multigraphics, Heidelberg, etc...
|
|We have a machine shop and make all our own parts (I think
|Im going to miss having access to that the most. It came in
|quite handy back during the Maco refurb days. I could walk
|in with a mini-project back in those days and 3 guys would
|fight over who was going to get to work on it.)

Gotcha.... most of the stuff I worked on was for much larger
presses... though I've spent my time in hell pulling the handles on
Multiliths and a few ABDs.... before moving into the die and blanking
industry

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

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On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:34:46 -0500, Eisboch penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|
|"D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message
...
|
|
|
| I hope you're right but I doubt it. The housing market
| is up to its eyeballs in forclosures with more to come and
| credit card debt is at an all time high.
|
| I've worked for the same
| company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and
| watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early
| 90's. Things have sucked pretty bad for the last 2 years
| and its a miricle we're still here. Unfortunately, the
| writing is on the wall as we have enough money left
| for about 1 more pay period. Too bad its not boating
| season as it looks like I might have some free time on
| my hands coming up.
|
| Don
|
|I hate to hear stories like that. Is the downturn in your industry economy
|related or is it due to diminishing requirements for printed material?
|
|Eisboch (went through many close calls over the years)

Except for small and/or time critical jobs, most of your
printing/publishing has gone offshore.....

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:34:46 -0500, Eisboch penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|
|"D-unit" cof42_AT_embarqmail.com wrote in message
...
|
|
|
| I hope you're right but I doubt it. The housing market
| is up to its eyeballs in forclosures with more to come and
| credit card debt is at an all time high.
|
| I've worked for the same
| company for 23 years (printing/machining ) and
| watched our industry dwindle slowly since the early
| 90's. Things have sucked pretty bad for the last 2 years
| and its a miricle we're still here. Unfortunately, the
| writing is on the wall as we have enough money left
| for about 1 more pay period. Too bad its not boating
| season as it looks like I might have some free time on
| my hands coming up.
|
| Don
|
|I hate to hear stories like that. Is the downturn in your industry economy
|related or is it due to diminishing requirements for printed material?
|
|Eisboch (went through many close calls over the years)

Except for small and/or time critical jobs, most of your
printing/publishing has gone offshore.....



Thank goodness that isn't true for printing jobs of my clients. We print
only with U.S. or Canadian shops, and with U.S./Canadian paper and inks.