"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:17:02 GMT, "Steve"
wrote:

Another thought.......you'll be in better standing with a Toyota when the
U.S. become a thoroughly 3rd world sort-of-a-country.

If that happens, no one will be more to blame than the US automobile
industry with their consumer be damned attitude. After two or three
serious wake up calls you'd think that the message would have gotten
across but it obviously hasn't happened. Detroit won't change until
the last fool in the country finally dies.


Is not the fools in the country, is the fact that the automotive industry is
controlled by a very small group of people. And most are children of the
founders. Lots of stock and no ability, still gets them on the Board of
Directors.

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On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:05:07 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

If that happens, no one will be more to blame than the US automobile
industry with their consumer be damned attitude. After two or three
serious wake up calls you'd think that the message would have gotten
across but it obviously hasn't happened. Detroit won't change until
the last fool in the country finally dies.


Is not the fools in the country, is the fact that the automotive industry
is
controlled by a very small group of people. And most are children of the
founders. Lots of stock and no ability, still gets them on the Board of
Directors.


Couple that with a union that forces companies to pay people
$65,000-$70,000 a year to do virtually nothing....


That was an eye opener when I first saw it on some news show. Might've been
a Ford shop where a bunch of people were sitting around watching TV &
reading, waiting for someone on the assembly line to call in sick or some
such nonsense.

On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 18:18:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

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On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:05:07 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

If that happens, no one will be more to blame than the US automobile
industry with their consumer be damned attitude. After two or three
serious wake up calls you'd think that the message would have gotten
across but it obviously hasn't happened. Detroit won't change until
the last fool in the country finally dies.


Is not the fools in the country, is the fact that the automotive industry
is
controlled by a very small group of people. And most are children of the
founders. Lots of stock and no ability, still gets them on the Board of
Directors.


Couple that with a union that forces companies to pay people
$65,000-$70,000 a year to do virtually nothing....

That was an eye opener when I first saw it on some news show. Might've been
a Ford shop where a bunch of people were sitting around watching TV &
reading, waiting for someone on the assembly line to call in sick or some
such nonsense.

Even worse - they get full benefits until they find a job comparable
to what they were doing when they were laid off.

It's astounding what the UAW has done to this country and when the
definitive history of the Labor Movement is finally written, the UAW
will be high on the list of causes of economic collapse of the auto
industry.

On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 19:26:50 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

It's astounding what the UAW has done to this country and when the
definitive history of the Labor Movement is finally written, the UAW
will be high on the list of causes of economic collapse of the auto
industry.

Not to defend the UAW but crummy and complacent management is more to
blame in my opinion.

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On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 18:18:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

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On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:05:07 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

If that happens, no one will be more to blame than the US automobile
industry with their consumer be damned attitude. After two or three
serious wake up calls you'd think that the message would have gotten
across but it obviously hasn't happened. Detroit won't change until
the last fool in the country finally dies.


Is not the fools in the country, is the fact that the automotive
industry
is
controlled by a very small group of people. And most are children of
the
founders. Lots of stock and no ability, still gets them on the Board of
Directors.


Couple that with a union that forces companies to pay people
$65,000-$70,000 a year to do virtually nothing....

That was an eye opener when I first saw it on some news show. Might've
been
a Ford shop where a bunch of people were sitting around watching TV &
reading, waiting for someone on the assembly line to call in sick or some
such nonsense.

Even worse - they get full benefits until they find a job comparable
to what they were doing when they were laid off.

It's astounding what the UAW has done to this country and when the
definitive history of the Labor Movement is finally written, the UAW
will be high on the list of causes of economic collapse of the auto
industry.
What you say is true. Manufacturing in America Is dead. Thank you Harry for
helping to seal the coffin. :-(

On 1-Jan-2008, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

It's astounding what the UAW has done to this country and when the
definitive history of the Labor Movement is finally written, the UAW
will be high on the list of causes of economic collapse of the auto
industry.

To be accurate, the fault is shared 3-ways - union, the auto companies for
giving in, and the NLRB which is populated with ex-union stooges.

On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:16:46 -0500, wrote:

Couple that with a union that forces companies to pay people
$65,000-$70,000 a year to do virtually nothing and you can see why the
auto industry has either moved to "right to work states" or simply
given up its market share to the Asians.

Many of my winter neighbors are from Michigan. One of them does a
really funny imitation of someone running an air powered screw gun on
an assembly line while claiming to be highly skilled labor.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:16:46 -0500, wrote:

Couple that with a union that forces companies to pay people
$65,000-$70,000 a year to do virtually nothing and you can see why the
auto industry has either moved to "right to work states" or simply
given up its market share to the Asians.

Many of my winter neighbors are from Michigan. One of them does a
really funny imitation of someone running an air powered screw gun on
an assembly line while claiming to be highly skilled labor.



It's really charming when well-off SOBs make fun of guys who have to
work crap jobs to make ends meet. It's one of your more endearing
qualities, Dwayne.



--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 14:40:52 -0500, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:16:46 -0500, wrote:

Couple that with a union that forces companies to pay people
$65,000-$70,000 a year to do virtually nothing and you can see why the
auto industry has either moved to "right to work states" or simply
given up its market share to the Asians.

Many of my winter neighbors are from Michigan. One of them does a
really funny imitation of someone running an air powered screw gun on
an assembly line while claiming to be highly skilled labor.



It's really charming when well-off SOBs make fun of guys who have to
work crap jobs to make ends meet. It's one of your more endearing
qualities, Dwayne.

So the UAW is full of people with crap jobs? Thirty bucks an hour with
benefits is a crap job?
--
John H

On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 14:40:52 -0500, HK wrote:

It's really charming when well-off SOBs make fun of guys who have to
work crap jobs to make ends meet. It's one of your more endearing
qualities, Dwayne.

Hairy, you have so many endearing qualities we really wouldn't know
where to start the list. I worked a few "crap jobs" in my youth and I
sort of recall the pay being less than $60 to 70K, and we didn't run
around screaming for "equity" or claiming to be skilled labor. You
should try it some time, silver spoon boy.