"Larry" wrote in message
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"Canuck57" wrote in news:wWydj.41779$vd4.27101
@pd7urf1no:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRfE_XAk2mE

I find THIS video much more interesting.....and telling.

What a piece of ****!



That's an impressive demonstration. Obviously done by the Ford folks, but
damn .... over 3 inches of frame deflection on the Toyota versus under an
inch on the Ford for the given load.

3 inches seems like a lot of dynamic flex on metal of that length over time,
even though I am sure both frames are hardened. Probably not anywhere near
it's yield, but thoughts of longer term metal fatigue start to come to mind.

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Larry" wrote in message
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"Canuck57" wrote in
news:wWydj.41779$vd4.27101
@pd7urf1no:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRfE_XAk2mE

I find THIS video much more interesting.....and telling.

What a piece of ****!



That's an impressive demonstration. Obviously done by the Ford folks, but
damn .... over 3 inches of frame deflection on the Toyota versus under an
inch on the Ford for the given load.

3 inches seems like a lot of dynamic flex on metal of that length over
time, even though I am sure both frames are hardened. Probably not
anywhere near it's yield, but thoughts of longer term metal fatigue start
to come to mind.

Eisboch


The Ford will have less opportunities to flex, since it'll spend less time
in motion, as it waits for various engineering pranks to be fixed.

On 29-Dec-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

The Ford will have less opportunities to flex, since it'll spend less time

in motion, as it waits for various engineering pranks to be fixed.

Like the engineering pranks on my suicide door Ranger, '99, 371,000 + miles,
NO engine or other work except brakes, 8 sets of tires, transmission every
180,000 miles.

Go for the rice burner anyway, who needs jobs?? President Hillary will
furnish most needs, and younger generations can make 6 bucks an hour at
Walmart for playthings and incidentals.

Another thought.......you'll be in better standing with a Toyota when the
U.S. become a thoroughly 3rd world sort-of-a-country.

On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:17:02 GMT, "Steve"
wrote:

Another thought.......you'll be in better standing with a Toyota when the
U.S. become a thoroughly 3rd world sort-of-a-country.

If that happens, no one will be more to blame than the US automobile
industry with their consumer be damned attitude. After two or three
serious wake up calls you'd think that the message would have gotten
across but it obviously hasn't happened. Detroit won't change until
the last fool in the country finally dies.

Wayne.B wrote in
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:17:02 GMT, "Steve"
wrote:

Another thought.......you'll be in better standing with a Toyota when
the
U.S. become a thoroughly 3rd world sort-of-a-country.

If that happens, no one will be more to blame than the US automobile
industry with their consumer be damned attitude. After two or three
serious wake up calls you'd think that the message would have gotten
across but it obviously hasn't happened. Detroit won't change until
the last fool in the country finally dies.



You all assume, wrongly, the USA will exist at all:
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=14965
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=15233
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H65f3q_Lm9U CNN Report
http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/

Why do you think nothing is being done to stop the illegal alien flow
from the South? Our area is overrun! The NAU has already started
repopulating the country for the transition.....

Ah, I see Gold is opening with a VERTICAL climb to $842.70/oz already
this morning....You lost your ass, again, if you hold dollars.

I predict once the public finds dollars totally worthless, they'll agree
to the wonderful new ELECTRONIC AMERO from the new NAU secret central
bankers. Won't that be wonderful? No cash, just credits accessible by
your Verichip in your neck, tagged like an animal.
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/te...4-10-13-human-
microchips_x.htm
No chip? No bank account, no money, no drivers license, no government
benefits, no access to anything, including every store which will all be
forced to use it to get paid for what YOU want to buy!

The driver's license office will implant them, negating the need to issue
you a driver's license. Every cop will have a scanner pointed at your
car BEFORE he stops you, downloading everything you ever
did....everything you ever had....everything you have now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiLixwNkur8
Tommy Thompson has his implanted...and now works for Verichip!

It's an interesting part of "Zeitgeist, the Movie":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E77ZXo
Watch all the parts on YouTube.....

$842/oz. Watch it happen LIVE on the livegold page below for free.

Has your house tripled in value since 9/11/2001, after all the
sales/repair loads to dump it? If it did...YOU BROKE EVEN! Otherwise
you LOST YOUR ASS! Oil hasn't gone up....MONEY HAS GONE DOWN..WAY DOWN!

Larry
--
http://kitco.com/charts/livegold.html
9-11-2001 gold was $270/oz
Last trade, DEC 31, 07 - $842.10
The stampede to devalue Fed Reserve Banknotes continues!
When does a "slide" become a "crash"?

On 31-Dec-2007, Larry wrote:

Why do you think nothing is being done to stop the illegal alien flow
from the South? Our area is overrun! The NAU has already started
repopulating the country for the transition.....

The transition is nearly complete - the majority consists of third world
invaders and high school dropout red necks (the less fortunate??
Hahahhahahaha) driving repo-targeted rice burners to Walmart to drag home
extremely overpriced Red Chinese merchandise while bitching about their pay!

The end is less than 8-10 years away for the US. May it rest in peace.
(adiós)

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:17:02 GMT, "Steve"
wrote:

Another thought.......you'll be in better standing with a Toyota when the
U.S. become a thoroughly 3rd world sort-of-a-country.

If that happens, no one will be more to blame than the US automobile
industry with their consumer be damned attitude. After two or three
serious wake up calls you'd think that the message would have gotten
across but it obviously hasn't happened. Detroit won't change until
the last fool in the country finally dies.


Is not the fools in the country, is the fact that the automotive industry is
controlled by a very small group of people. And most are children of the
founders. Lots of stock and no ability, still gets them on the Board of
Directors.

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On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:05:07 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

If that happens, no one will be more to blame than the US automobile
industry with their consumer be damned attitude. After two or three
serious wake up calls you'd think that the message would have gotten
across but it obviously hasn't happened. Detroit won't change until
the last fool in the country finally dies.


Is not the fools in the country, is the fact that the automotive industry
is
controlled by a very small group of people. And most are children of the
founders. Lots of stock and no ability, still gets them on the Board of
Directors.


Couple that with a union that forces companies to pay people
$65,000-$70,000 a year to do virtually nothing....


That was an eye opener when I first saw it on some news show. Might've been
a Ford shop where a bunch of people were sitting around watching TV &
reading, waiting for someone on the assembly line to call in sick or some
such nonsense.

On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 18:18:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

wrote in message
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:05:07 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

If that happens, no one will be more to blame than the US automobile
industry with their consumer be damned attitude. After two or three
serious wake up calls you'd think that the message would have gotten
across but it obviously hasn't happened. Detroit won't change until
the last fool in the country finally dies.


Is not the fools in the country, is the fact that the automotive industry
is
controlled by a very small group of people. And most are children of the
founders. Lots of stock and no ability, still gets them on the Board of
Directors.


Couple that with a union that forces companies to pay people
$65,000-$70,000 a year to do virtually nothing....

That was an eye opener when I first saw it on some news show. Might've been
a Ford shop where a bunch of people were sitting around watching TV &
reading, waiting for someone on the assembly line to call in sick or some
such nonsense.

Even worse - they get full benefits until they find a job comparable
to what they were doing when they were laid off.

It's astounding what the UAW has done to this country and when the
definitive history of the Labor Movement is finally written, the UAW
will be high on the list of causes of economic collapse of the auto
industry.

On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:16:46 -0500, wrote:

Couple that with a union that forces companies to pay people
$65,000-$70,000 a year to do virtually nothing and you can see why the
auto industry has either moved to "right to work states" or simply
given up its market share to the Asians.

Many of my winter neighbors are from Michigan. One of them does a
really funny imitation of someone running an air powered screw gun on
an assembly line while claiming to be highly skilled labor.