"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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of myself.

Tried a F-250, 5.7 liter Ford pickup - towed the boat fine, but for
some reason, I'm not really happy with Fords at the moment.

Tried a 2500 Silverado Diesel - not happy with it - wasn't
comfortable, didn't like the seat belt set up and I didn't like the
interior design. Towed ok.

Tried a Dodge Ram 2500 Quad cab - 5.7 Hemi sucks.

Tried a GMC 2500 Sierra - eh - fancy Silverado and I had the same
complaints.

Tried a Toyota Tundra just for yucks.

You will not believe what I ended up buying pending the resolution of
the F-150 issue.

You mean one of these?

http://www.truckblog.com/trucktube/E...ta_bed_bounce/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRfE_XAk2mE

"Canuck57" wrote in news:wWydj.41779$vd4.27101
@pd7urf1no:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRfE_XAk2mE

I find THIS video much more interesting.....and telling.

What a piece of ****!

Larry
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http://kitco.com/charts/livegold.html
9-11-2001 gold was $270/oz
TODAY its $838/oz, up $40 since Christmas, up $11 just TODAY!
1yearchg +204.60 +32.26%
When does a "slide" become a "crash"?

"Larry" wrote in message
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"Canuck57" wrote in news:wWydj.41779$vd4.27101
@pd7urf1no:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRfE_XAk2mE

I find THIS video much more interesting.....and telling.

What a piece of ****!



That's an impressive demonstration. Obviously done by the Ford folks, but
damn .... over 3 inches of frame deflection on the Toyota versus under an
inch on the Ford for the given load.

3 inches seems like a lot of dynamic flex on metal of that length over time,
even though I am sure both frames are hardened. Probably not anywhere near
it's yield, but thoughts of longer term metal fatigue start to come to mind.

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Larry" wrote in message
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"Canuck57" wrote in
news:wWydj.41779$vd4.27101
@pd7urf1no:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRfE_XAk2mE

I find THIS video much more interesting.....and telling.

What a piece of ****!



That's an impressive demonstration. Obviously done by the Ford folks, but
damn .... over 3 inches of frame deflection on the Toyota versus under an
inch on the Ford for the given load.

3 inches seems like a lot of dynamic flex on metal of that length over
time, even though I am sure both frames are hardened. Probably not
anywhere near it's yield, but thoughts of longer term metal fatigue start
to come to mind.

Eisboch


The Ford will have less opportunities to flex, since it'll spend less time
in motion, as it waits for various engineering pranks to be fixed.

On 29-Dec-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

The Ford will have less opportunities to flex, since it'll spend less time

in motion, as it waits for various engineering pranks to be fixed.

Like the engineering pranks on my suicide door Ranger, '99, 371,000 + miles,
NO engine or other work except brakes, 8 sets of tires, transmission every
180,000 miles.

Go for the rice burner anyway, who needs jobs?? President Hillary will
furnish most needs, and younger generations can make 6 bucks an hour at
Walmart for playthings and incidentals.

Another thought.......you'll be in better standing with a Toyota when the
U.S. become a thoroughly 3rd world sort-of-a-country.

On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:17:02 GMT, "Steve"
wrote:

Another thought.......you'll be in better standing with a Toyota when the
U.S. become a thoroughly 3rd world sort-of-a-country.

If that happens, no one will be more to blame than the US automobile
industry with their consumer be damned attitude. After two or three
serious wake up calls you'd think that the message would have gotten
across but it obviously hasn't happened. Detroit won't change until
the last fool in the country finally dies.

Wayne.B wrote in
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:17:02 GMT, "Steve"
wrote:

Another thought.......you'll be in better standing with a Toyota when
the
U.S. become a thoroughly 3rd world sort-of-a-country.

If that happens, no one will be more to blame than the US automobile
industry with their consumer be damned attitude. After two or three
serious wake up calls you'd think that the message would have gotten
across but it obviously hasn't happened. Detroit won't change until
the last fool in the country finally dies.



You all assume, wrongly, the USA will exist at all:
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=14965
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=15233
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H65f3q_Lm9U CNN Report
http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/

Why do you think nothing is being done to stop the illegal alien flow
from the South? Our area is overrun! The NAU has already started
repopulating the country for the transition.....

Ah, I see Gold is opening with a VERTICAL climb to $842.70/oz already
this morning....You lost your ass, again, if you hold dollars.

I predict once the public finds dollars totally worthless, they'll agree
to the wonderful new ELECTRONIC AMERO from the new NAU secret central
bankers. Won't that be wonderful? No cash, just credits accessible by
your Verichip in your neck, tagged like an animal.
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/te...4-10-13-human-
microchips_x.htm
No chip? No bank account, no money, no drivers license, no government
benefits, no access to anything, including every store which will all be
forced to use it to get paid for what YOU want to buy!

The driver's license office will implant them, negating the need to issue
you a driver's license. Every cop will have a scanner pointed at your
car BEFORE he stops you, downloading everything you ever
did....everything you ever had....everything you have now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiLixwNkur8
Tommy Thompson has his implanted...and now works for Verichip!

It's an interesting part of "Zeitgeist, the Movie":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E77ZXo
Watch all the parts on YouTube.....

$842/oz. Watch it happen LIVE on the livegold page below for free.

Has your house tripled in value since 9/11/2001, after all the
sales/repair loads to dump it? If it did...YOU BROKE EVEN! Otherwise
you LOST YOUR ASS! Oil hasn't gone up....MONEY HAS GONE DOWN..WAY DOWN!

Larry
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http://kitco.com/charts/livegold.html
9-11-2001 gold was $270/oz
Last trade, DEC 31, 07 - $842.10
The stampede to devalue Fed Reserve Banknotes continues!
When does a "slide" become a "crash"?

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:17:02 GMT, "Steve"
wrote:

Another thought.......you'll be in better standing with a Toyota when the
U.S. become a thoroughly 3rd world sort-of-a-country.

If that happens, no one will be more to blame than the US automobile
industry with their consumer be damned attitude. After two or three
serious wake up calls you'd think that the message would have gotten
across but it obviously hasn't happened. Detroit won't change until
the last fool in the country finally dies.


Is not the fools in the country, is the fact that the automotive industry is
controlled by a very small group of people. And most are children of the
founders. Lots of stock and no ability, still gets them on the Board of
Directors.

On 30-Dec-2007, Wayne.B wrote:

Another thought.......you'll be in better standing with a Toyota when the
U.S. become a thoroughly 3rd world sort-of-a-country.

If that happens, no one will be more to blame than the US automobile
industry with their consumer be damned attitude. After two or three
serious wake up calls you'd think that the message would have gotten
across but it obviously hasn't happened. Detroit won't change until
the last fool in the country finally dies.

The blame lies with 1) the consumer, who is brain dead regarding economic
issues, 2) predation by the US Government with respect to trade agreements,
and 3) the automotive companies for failing to perform in the same manner as
the Asian automakers. The US automotive companies need to get out of the
US, ship raw materials, components, machine tools and capital equipment from
lower cost counties, and assemble the pieces in KY, AL, etc. like the Asian
brands.

Who needs a middle class anyway? What the US automotive manufacturers
produce are what the market demands - every company does that, without
exception. What the US manufacturers CANNOT do is produce miniscule
scooters and sell them for $10,000.00, for the reasons explained in #3
above.

"Steve" wrote in message
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On 29-Dec-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

The Ford will have less opportunities to flex, since it'll spend less
time

in motion, as it waits for various engineering pranks to be fixed.

Like the engineering pranks on my suicide door Ranger, '99, 371,000 +
miles,
NO engine or other work except brakes, 8 sets of tires, transmission every
180,000 miles.

Go for the rice burner anyway, who needs jobs?? President Hillary will
furnish most needs, and younger generations can make 6 bucks an hour at
Walmart for playthings and incidentals.

Another thought.......you'll be in better standing with a Toyota when the
U.S. become a thoroughly 3rd world sort-of-a-country.



Hey, Steve, did you ask "who needs jobs" ???


I just want to be sure. Those were YOUR words, right?