"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Why do mandatory bicycle helmet laws exist? Largely, because of head
injuries.

So, assuming that is true, then how does that not also apply to
motorcycles? It would seem to me that if head injuries on bicycles
(max speeds - 15/17 mph) occur from low speed impacts, then they would
also occurr in higher speed accidents involving motorcycles.

Do bicycle helmet laws apply to adults?
Also, I think those laws are set by the town you are in, not the Fed or
state.

I don't want to argue the injury issue, but data indicates, including the
report I cited, that although a motorcycle helmet lessens the chance of
severe head injury, that advantage is offset by an increased chance of
neck/spine injury due to whiplash.

So, choose your method.

Eisboch

Eisboch

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Why do mandatory bicycle helmet laws exist? Largely, because of head
injuries.

So, assuming that is true, then how does that not also apply to
motorcycles? It would seem to me that if head injuries on bicycles
(max speeds - 15/17 mph) occur from low speed impacts, then they would
also occurr in higher speed accidents involving motorcycles.

Do bicycle helmet laws apply to adults?
Also, I think those laws are set by the town you are in, not the Fed or
state.

I don't want to argue the injury issue, but data indicates, including the
report I cited, that although a motorcycle helmet lessens the chance of
severe head injury, that advantage is offset by an increased chance of
neck/spine injury due to whiplash.

So, choose your method.

Eisboch

Eisboch


Only a complete idiot needs data to understand that helmets reduce head
injuries in motorcycle accidents.

Let's see who raises their hand and admits to being a complete idiot.

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I am just in an ornery mood. Somehow I caught a humdinger of a cold and
feel really lousy.
I can't remember the last time I was sick and it's something I don't
tolerate very well.

Eisboch



Time to make your blood inhabitable to germs. Jack Daniels.


I suspect it's from hanging around 5 walking Petri dishes (my grandkids)
over Thanksgiving.

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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I am just in an ornery mood. Somehow I caught a humdinger of a cold and
feel really lousy.
I can't remember the last time I was sick and it's something I don't
tolerate very well.

Eisboch



Time to make your blood inhabitable to germs. Jack Daniels.


I suspect it's from hanging around 5 walking Petri dishes (my grandkids)
over Thanksgiving.

Eisboch


HEY!!!!!!!!!!!

"walking Petri dish" is my line. Where'd you get that from? You'll be
hearing from my team of lawyers.

On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 18:40:32 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 13:54:07 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

married for 38 years or something ....

Um...didn't you say that Mrs. E read rec.boats once in a while? :)

Loose lips sink ships I guess.

I am just in an ornery mood. Somehow I caught a humdinger of a cold and
feel really lousy.
I can't remember the last time I was sick and it's something I don't
tolerate very well.

You and me both.

I am a horrible patient.

On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 00:00:30 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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I am just in an ornery mood. Somehow I caught a humdinger of a cold and
feel really lousy.
I can't remember the last time I was sick and it's something I don't
tolerate very well.

Eisboch



Time to make your blood inhabitable to germs. Jack Daniels.


I suspect it's from hanging around 5 walking Petri dishes (my grandkids)
over Thanksgiving.

HEY!!!!!!!!!!!

"walking Petri dish" is my line. Where'd you get that from? You'll be
hearing from my team of lawyers.

Larry, More and Curly?

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 00:00:30 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
om...

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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I am just in an ornery mood. Somehow I caught a humdinger of a cold
and
feel really lousy.
I can't remember the last time I was sick and it's something I don't
tolerate very well.

Eisboch



Time to make your blood inhabitable to germs. Jack Daniels.


I suspect it's from hanging around 5 walking Petri dishes (my grandkids)
over Thanksgiving.

HEY!!!!!!!!!!!

"walking Petri dish" is my line. Where'd you get that from? You'll be
hearing from my team of lawyers.

Larry, More and Curly?

Yeah!

On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:42:21 -0000, wrote:

On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:26:28 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


And then we got air bags anyway which caused a zillion injuries and
still do.

Not to mention severe allergic reactions as a result of the powder used
as a lubricant to aid inflation.

And I have yet to have an SAE qualified engineer tell me why, if seat
belts are so effective in reducing injuries, we need air bags as
additional restraints.

Remember the '50s cars? Metal dashboards, steering columns like spears,
metal door handles that would slice you like a knife, etc. etc. I'll
take the air bags and seat belts. Looking back, those old cars were
scary. Seat belts are not without problems. I've heard of broken
collarbones and even deaths caused by shock to the heart. Still, I'll
wear them.

Take JohnH as an example (not picking on you John, just making a
point). There's a guy with an abdominal aortic aneurism - does a seat
belt make him safer?

Cardiac aortic tears, hip/pelvis breakage, entrapment, broken
sternums, ribs, shoulders - oh, I could go on and on about the
inherent dangers of seat belts.

In my own case, I was trapped in a burning car after being rear ended
at high speed at a stop light and couldn't get out because both
shoulders were dislocated, dazed and confused and I couldn't get to
the release. Fortunately, there was a by-stander who managed to haul
my ass out of the car.

Haven't worn a seat belt since.

My complaint about seat belts have to do with how use is reported.
Statistics are developed by ambulance run forms and accident reports.
The hitch in the process is that is Fire/EMS/Police ask if seatbelts
were used and the patient says yes, then that is what is reported.
Doesn't matter if the windshield is starred or the victim ejected, it
goes down as yes.

That means that the system is flawed and use over reported.

On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 18:46:12 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

So, choose your method.

Phasers, 500 feet at dawn. :)

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:15:42 -0000, wrote:

On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:30:30 -0500, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


I find it hard to believe that insurance companies, who actually know
the cost, would promote anything that would cost them more money. If
seat belts and helmets were not safer, insurance companies would
aggressively fight against the laws.

The push for mandatory seat belt laws didn't come from insurance
companies, it came from the auto industry. In 1984, the Secretary of
Transportation ruled that air bags would not be required if more than 2/3
of the population resided in states with mandatory seat belt laws. All
of a sudden, Detroit began lobbying for mandatory seat belt laws. It's
not about safety, it's about money.

And then we got air bags anyway which caused a zillion injuries and
still do.

Not to mention severe allergic reactions as a result of the powder
used as a lubricant to aid inflation.

And I have yet to have an SAE qualified engineer tell me why, if seat
belts are so effective in reducing injuries, we need air bags as
additional restraints.


We were told up here at the time of compulsory air bags... that the seat
belt compliance rate was low in the US (50 something %) vs around 90% for
Canadians.
We had to accept the extra cost of the airbags to make up for reckless
'mericans.