Yet Another Tragic Case......
This time it was three guys from NJ.
Apparently they thought the primary purpose of having PFD aboard a small boat was to palacate the USCG in case of inspection. What a shame. Considering wives, kids, friends, coworkers, employers, employees, and family members there are maybe hundreds of people affected by each of these deaths, so it isn't entirely or solely a personal decision. We can only hope their possibly needless deaths will serve as instructional examples ************************** Boat capsizes off NJ coast, killing 3; second fatal fishing accident since Wednesday AP Posted: 2007-11-29 20:04:19 ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. (AP) - A boat capsized about five miles from shore, killing the three fishermen on board, authorities said Thursday. The 25-foot pleasure boat carrying the men was reported missing by a friend Wednesday night when they didn't return. The Coast Guard searched through the night for the men using boats, a helicopter and a plane. A helicopter crew member using night-vision goggles spotted the boat early Thursday and the bodies of Mark Stroud and Danny Pavic, both of Galloway. A salvage crew sent to recover the boat found the body of Jerry Berwick, 64, of Philadelphia, inside the cabin Thursday afternoon, the Coast Guard said. Coast Guard Spokesman Nyx Cangemi said that there were life jackets on the boat, but that the men were not wearing them. The water temperature was about 50 degrees, he said. Officials were waiting for a medical examiner to identify the body. The men launched from Oyster Creek and were headed for Little Egg Inlet, which is about 10 miles north of where their boat was found. The search follows another fishing accident Wednesday in which a 72- year-old man was killed after being trapped underneath a capsized boat in Maurice River Township. Two others survived. .. |
Yet Another Tragic Case......
On Fri, 30 Nov 07, Chuck Gould wrote:
A boat capsized about five miles from shore, killing the three fishermen on board, authorities said No word on what caused the boat to capsize??? |
Yet Another Tragic Case......
On Nov 30, 12:34 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 07, Chuck Gould wrote: A boat capsized about five miles from shore, killing the three fishermen on board, authorities said No word on what caused the boat to capsize??? The usual suspects will blame it on 1. Stupidity 2. Alcohol 3. Ignorance All without any evidence of such. |
Yet Another Tragic Case......
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... On Nov 30, 12:34 pm, wrote: On Fri, 30 Nov 07, Chuck Gould wrote: A boat capsized about five miles from shore, killing the three fishermen on board, authorities said No word on what caused the boat to capsize??? The usual suspects will blame it on 1. Stupidity 2. Alcohol 3. Ignorance All without any evidence of such. Not totally without evidence of #1 or #3. If NJ has been anything like upstate NY during the past week, it may've been caused by insane wind surprises, although they shouldn't have come as a surprise to anyone who checks the weather reports. At this time of year, any time we're blessed with a warm front for a day or two, it's ALWAYS followed by raucous wind as the cold front follows, and we end up with falling tree limbs & other surprises. Perhaps those guys didn't pay attention to the weather reports. I mean, *something* caused the boat to capsize. What theories could you suggest? |
Yet Another Tragic Case......
On Nov 30, 10:15�am, wrote:
On Nov 30, 12:34 pm, wrote: On Fri, 30 Nov 07, Chuck Gould wrote: A boat capsized about five miles from shore, killing the three fishermen on board, authorities said No word on what caused the boat to capsize??? The usual suspects will blame it on 1. Stupidity 2. Alcohol 3. Ignorance All without any evidence of such. There is nothing in the story to indicate alcohol was a factor. Stupidity? Ignorance? Maybe extreme........but carelessness can be inferred from the fact that they were out in a small boat in the North Atlantic, during late November, and not a single one of them thought to put on a PFD. The jackets were apparently all aboard, just as *required* by the USCG... They may or may not have survived had they been wearing pfd. In 50 degree water, the major challenges would include: 1) remaining conscious after hitting the water. It's not tough to imagine getting a conk on the head as the boat turns over, and there is a lot of evidence that many people go into cardiac arrest as a result cold water immersion. If three guys go in wearing PFD, and one gets conked out, the other two have a better chance of grabbing him and keeping his face out of the water than if they're using every bit of strength available just to try to keep themselves afloat. 2) avoiding hypothermia. Almost impossible without a survival suit or getting out of the water. If the boat was still floating, upside down, wearing a pfd *might* provide just the extra flotation and lift needed to haul out onto the wreckage instead of remaining in the water. The cold air will also result in hypothermia, but it takes longer for 40 degree air to cool the body than 50 degree water, particularly if any portion of the clothing is dry. 3) summoning help. Options are pretty limited if you don't have a personal ebirb attached to the PFD, but whatever the options are they will be better if the boater is conscious and afloat. Hopefully the small boat was rigged with a ditch bag, and that should be floating somewhere nearby with a portable VHF, a couple of flares, and some basic survival stuff. Retrieving the ditch bag will be much easier if any sort of cold water "swim" to its location is assisted by PFD |
Yet Another Tragic Case......
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
... On Nov 30, 10:15?am, wrote: On Nov 30, 12:34 pm, wrote: On Fri, 30 Nov 07, Chuck Gould wrote: A boat capsized about five miles from shore, killing the three fishermen on board, authorities said No word on what caused the boat to capsize??? The usual suspects will blame it on 1. Stupidity 2. Alcohol 3. Ignorance All without any evidence of such. There is nothing in the story to indicate alcohol was a factor. Stupidity? Ignorance? Maybe extreme........but carelessness can be inferred from the fact that they were out in a small boat in the North Atlantic, during late November, and not a single one of them thought to put on a PFD. The jackets were apparently all aboard, just as *required* by the USCG... ++++++++++ Next week's news: Families of 3 fishermen suing CG, boat mfr and the Atlantic Ocean for negligence. |
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On Nov 30, 1:35 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:15:23 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Nov 30, 12:34 pm, wrote: On Fri, 30 Nov 07, Chuck Gould wrote: A boat capsized about five miles from shore, killing the three fishermen on board, authorities said No word on what caused the boat to capsize??? The usual suspects will blame it on 1. Stupidity 2. Alcohol 3. Ignorance All without any evidence of such. Well... They were from New Jersey! True, true! |
Yet Another Tragic Case......
On Nov 30, 1:56Â*pm, Chuck Gould wrote:
On Nov 30, 10:15�am, wrote: On Nov 30, 12:34 pm, wrote: On Fri, 30 Nov 07, Chuck Gould wrote: A boat capsized about five miles from shore, killing the three fishermen on board, authorities said No word on what caused the boat to capsize??? The usual suspects will blame it on 1. Stupidity 2. Alcohol 3. Ignorance All without any evidence of such. There is nothing in the story to indicate alcohol was a factor. Stupidity? Ignorance? Â*Maybe extreme........but carelessness can be inferred from the fact that they were out in a small boat in the North Atlantic, during late November, and not a single one of them thought to put on a PFD. You know, everyone takes a risk once in awhile, and it doesn't make them necessarily careless. Do you walk around all of the time with a radioactive proof suit on in case of nuclear fallout? Do you wear steel toed boots all of the time in case someone or yourself drops something on your foot? |
Yet Another Tragic Case......
On Nov 30, 12:58Â*pm, wrote:
On Nov 30, 1:56Â*pm, Chuck Gould wrote: On Nov 30, 10:15�am, wrote: On Nov 30, 12:34 pm, wrote: On Fri, 30 Nov 07, Chuck Gould wrote: A boat capsized about five miles from shore, killing the three fishermen on board, authorities said No word on what caused the boat to capsize??? The usual suspects will blame it on 1. Stupidity 2. Alcohol 3. Ignorance All without any evidence of such. There is nothing in the story to indicate alcohol was a factor. Stupidity? Ignorance? Â*Maybe extreme........but carelessness can be inferred from the fact that they were out in a small boat in the North Atlantic, during late November, and not a single one of them thought to put on a PFD. You know, everyone takes a risk once in awhile, and it doesn't make them necessarily careless. Do you walk around all of the time with a radioactive proof suit on in case of nuclear fallout? Do you wear steel toed boots all of the time in case someone or yourself drops something on your foot?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I would indeed wear a radiation suit if working around nuclear waste. I would wear steel toed boots if working in an industrial environment where heavy objects were being hoisted about. And I would wear a PFD in a 25-foot boat bouncing around in 50-degree ocean water in November, (at least an inflatable or maybe a float coat) as would nearly almost all professional mariners. What is the "upside" of the risk assumed by eschewing the PFD? Sustaining a more "macho" appearance? How fricking macho do these guys look stretched out on a slab in the morgue, fer crissake? Then there's the old "it's my life, I'll risk it" BS. Unfortunately, society doesn't work that way. I'd be OK with a system where the guy who chooses not to wear a motorcyle helmet or a pfd agrees that in any situation where his choice to avoid mitigating his personal risk develops into an emergency the paramedics, USCG, etc can elect *not* to respond. That's what taking the risk means. As it is now, the people who refuse to take basic safety precautions not only risk their own lives, but they cost the rest of us $$$$$$$$$$ in S&R costs, publicly subsidized medical care, welfare and Social Security payments made to orphaned children, etc. |
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