Yet Another Tragic Case......
 

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:57:14 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

This time it was three guys from NJ.

Apparently they thought the primary purpose of having PFD aboard a
small boat was to palacate the USCG in case of inspection.

What a shame. Considering wives, kids, friends, coworkers, employers,
employees, and family members there are maybe hundreds of people
affected by each of these deaths, so it isn't entirely or solely a
personal decision.

We can only hope their possibly needless deaths will serve as
instructional examples

The water up there is so freakin cold this time of year, it is
doubtful that a life jacket would have done more than prolong the
inevitable in my opinion. The *real* issue is what were these guys
thinking of, being off the NJ coast in November, in a 25 footer?
There are plenty of 40s, 50s and 60s that get in trouble in the NJ
inlets when things are rough. In a 25 kt nor'easter you can see the
surf breaking in and near those inlets from 3 miles out. Been there,
done that.

Yet Another Tragic Case......
 

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:34:09 -0600, lid wrote:

On Fri, 30 Nov 07, Chuck Gould wrote:
A boat capsized about five miles from
shore, killing the three fishermen on board, authorities said

No word on what caused the boat to capsize???

Ten to 15 foot breaking waves are common off the Jersey coast this
time of year. They can capsize a 25 footer in a heartbeat.

Yet Another Tragic Case......
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:57:14 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

This time it was three guys from NJ.

Apparently they thought the primary purpose of having PFD aboard a
small boat was to palacate the USCG in case of inspection.

What a shame. Considering wives, kids, friends, coworkers, employers,
employees, and family members there are maybe hundreds of people
affected by each of these deaths, so it isn't entirely or solely a
personal decision.

We can only hope their possibly needless deaths will serve as
instructional examples

The water up there is so freakin cold this time of year, it is
doubtful that a life jacket would have done more than prolong the
inevitable in my opinion. The *real* issue is what were these guys
thinking of, being off the NJ coast in November, in a 25 footer?
There are plenty of 40s, 50s and 60s that get in trouble in the NJ
inlets when things are rough. In a 25 kt nor'easter you can see the
surf breaking in and near those inlets from 3 miles out. Been there,
done that.



The water temp in Chesapeake Bay already is under 50F, which means if
you fall in and don't get out quickly, you're oyster bait.

Yet Another Tragic Case......
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:34:09 -0600, lid wrote:

On Fri, 30 Nov 07, Chuck Gould wrote:
A boat capsized about five miles from
shore, killing the three fishermen on board, authorities said
No word on what caused the boat to capsize???

Ten to 15 foot breaking waves are common off the Jersey coast this
time of year. They can capsize a 25 footer in a heartbeat.


As well as a 49' RV.

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On Dec 1, 1:27�pm, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:57:14 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

This time it was three guys from NJ.

Apparently they thought the primary purpose of having PFD aboard a
small boat was to palacate the USCG in case of inspection.

Moot point, since it took all night to find them.

If you want to champion something, it should be immersion suits. At 50
degrees, they only had about 2-3 hours to live... with or without a
PFD.

I guess PFDs would make it easier to find the bodies, though.

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Assuming that at the time of the accident you have no idea how long it
will take resuce to find you, would you rather have a 5 minute or a
2-3 hour potential lifespan.

In what way would wearing a lifejacket have *diminished* the
possibility of survival?

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On Dec 1, 5:21�pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:57:14 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould

wrote:
This time it was three guys from NJ.

Apparently they thought the primary purpose of having PFD aboard a
small boat was to palacate the USCG in case of inspection.

What a shame. Considering wives, kids, friends, coworkers, �employers,
employees, and family members there are maybe hundreds of people
affected by each of these deaths, so it isn't entirely or solely a
personal decision.

We can only hope their possibly needless deaths will serve as
instructional examples

The water up there is so freakin cold this time of year, it is
doubtful that a life jacket would have done more than prolong the
inevitable in my opinion. �The *real* issue is what were these guys
thinking of, being off the NJ coast in November, in a 25 footer?
There are plenty of 40s, 50s and 60s that get in trouble in the NJ
inlets when things are rough. �In a 25 kt nor'easter you can see the
surf breaking in and near those inlets from 3 miles out. �Been there,
done that.

The best decision, in conditions like you describe, is not to go at
all.

Once out there in a small boat, wearing a pfd is only one of the
precautions one should be taking.

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Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:57:14 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

This time it was three guys from NJ.

Apparently they thought the primary purpose of having PFD aboard a
small boat was to palacate the USCG in case of inspection.

What a shame. Considering wives, kids, friends, coworkers, employers,
employees, and family members there are maybe hundreds of people
affected by each of these deaths, so it isn't entirely or solely a
personal decision.

We can only hope their possibly needless deaths will serve as
instructional examples
The water up there is so freakin cold this time of year, it is
doubtful that a life jacket would have done more than prolong the
inevitable in my opinion. The *real* issue is what were these guys
thinking of, being off the NJ coast in November, in a 25 footer?
There are plenty of 40s, 50s and 60s that get in trouble in the NJ
inlets when things are rough. In a 25 kt nor'easter you can see the
surf breaking in and near those inlets from 3 miles out. Been there,
done that.


The water temp in Chesapeake Bay already is under 50F, which means if you
fall in and don't get out quickly, you're oyster bait.

It dropped quickly the last few days here... buoy at harbour mouth says 36.5
F right now.





Now that's cold!

Yet Another Tragic Case......
 

"HK" wrote in message
...
Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:57:14 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

This time it was three guys from NJ.

Apparently they thought the primary purpose of having PFD aboard a
small boat was to palacate the USCG in case of inspection.

What a shame. Considering wives, kids, friends, coworkers, employers,
employees, and family members there are maybe hundreds of people
affected by each of these deaths, so it isn't entirely or solely a
personal decision.

We can only hope their possibly needless deaths will serve as
instructional examples

The water up there is so freakin cold this time of year, it is
doubtful that a life jacket would have done more than prolong the
inevitable in my opinion. The *real* issue is what were these guys
thinking of, being off the NJ coast in November, in a 25 footer?
There are plenty of 40s, 50s and 60s that get in trouble in the NJ
inlets when things are rough. In a 25 kt nor'easter you can see the
surf breaking in and near those inlets from 3 miles out. Been there,
done that.



The water temp in Chesapeake Bay already is under 50F, which means if you
fall in and don't get out quickly, you're oyster bait.

It dropped quickly the last few days here... buoy at harbour mouth says 36.5
F right now.

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On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 22:20:48 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:

It dropped quickly the last few days here... buoy at harbour mouth says 36.5
F right now.

48.7 F in Buzzard's Bay - 44.1 F at Newport Harbor bouy.

That doesn't sound right to me, but that's what the bouy system is
reporting.

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On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:39:14 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Dec 1, 5:21?pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:57:14 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould

wrote:
This time it was three guys from NJ.

Apparently they thought the primary purpose of having PFD aboard a
small boat was to palacate the USCG in case of inspection.

What a shame. Considering wives, kids, friends, coworkers, ?employers,
employees, and family members there are maybe hundreds of people
affected by each of these deaths, so it isn't entirely or solely a
personal decision.

We can only hope their possibly needless deaths will serve as
instructional examples

The water up there is so freakin cold this time of year, it is
doubtful that a life jacket would have done more than prolong the
inevitable in my opinion. ?The *real* issue is what were these guys
thinking of, being off the NJ coast in November, in a 25 footer?
There are plenty of 40s, 50s and 60s that get in trouble in the NJ
inlets when things are rough. ?In a 25 kt nor'easter you can see the
surf breaking in and near those inlets from 3 miles out. ?Been there,
done that.

The best decision, in conditions like you describe, is not to go at
all.

Once out there in a small boat, wearing a pfd is only one of the
precautions one should be taking.

Back when I was on the Regional Dive Team, we did an ice rescue drill
and I volunteered to be the victim.

Put on one of those fancy cold water survival suits and after a hole
was cut in the ice, jumped in.

After about a half hour, I was cold.

The odd thing is that I've been under the ice in a wet suit for the
same amount of time and never was that cold.

Weird.