On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:05:21 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

I learned a lesson about the newer, lighter sportsfishing boats with the Egg
Harbor I had.
Beautiful boat ... well built ... but would loosen your fillings on a rough
outing unless you slowed way down.

Shuddagotta Bertram, Cadillac ride all the way. We loved our 33 but
it was just too small and too fuel inefficient for the kind of
retirement cruising we wanted to do. A 46 sportfish would have been
nice but they don't live nearly as well as a GB, and they burn 2 or 3
gallons per mile.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:05:21 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

I learned a lesson about the newer, lighter sportsfishing boats with the Egg
Harbor I had.
Beautiful boat ... well built ... but would loosen your fillings on a rough
outing unless you slowed way down.

Shuddagotta Bertram, Cadillac ride all the way. We loved our 33 but
it was just too small and too fuel inefficient for the kind of
retirement cruising we wanted to do. A 46 sportfish would have been
nice but they don't live nearly as well as a GB, and they burn 2 or 3
gallons per mile.


There haven't been any real "Bertrams" for years, just boats made by
successive companies that bought the Bertram name before, during and
after manufacturing started and stopped...Whittaker, Bertram Trojan,
Feretti and others have owned the name.

On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:55:46 -0500, HK wrote:

There haven't been any real "Bertrams" for years, just boats made by
successive companies that bought the Bertram name before, during and
after manufacturing started and stopped...Whittaker, Bertram Trojan,
Feretti and others have owned the name.

There are lots of used ones from the 80s still going strong. They are
such great boats that it pays to do a refurb on them and bring them
back to like new. You can buy a used 46 for 200K or so, put 2 or 300
into a complete refit and still be way ahead of a new boat of
comparable quality.

On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 20:02:30 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:55:46 -0500, HK wrote:

There haven't been any real "Bertrams" for years, just boats made by
successive companies that bought the Bertram name before, during and
after manufacturing started and stopped...Whittaker, Bertram Trojan,
Feretti and others have owned the name.

There are lots of used ones from the 80s still going strong. They are
such great boats that it pays to do a refurb on them and bring them
back to like new. You can buy a used 46 for 200K or so, put 2 or 300
into a complete refit and still be way ahead of a new boat of
comparable quality.

That's the way I've been thinking lately after seeing a '47 Post that
was refurbished.

I've seen a couple of insurance boats that would make good candidates
for this approach.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 20:02:30 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:55:46 -0500, HK wrote:

There haven't been any real "Bertrams" for years, just boats made by
successive companies that bought the Bertram name before, during and
after manufacturing started and stopped...Whittaker, Bertram Trojan,
Feretti and others have owned the name.

There are lots of used ones from the 80s still going strong. They are
such great boats that it pays to do a refurb on them and bring them
back to like new. You can buy a used 46 for 200K or so, put 2 or 300
into a complete refit and still be way ahead of a new boat of
comparable quality.

That's the way I've been thinking lately after seeing a '47 Post that
was refurbished.

I've seen a couple of insurance boats that would make good candidates
for this approach.


Little too old.

Eisboch

On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 21:13:11 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 20:02:30 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 16:55:46 -0500, HK wrote:

There haven't been any real "Bertrams" for years, just boats made by
successive companies that bought the Bertram name before, during and
after manufacturing started and stopped...Whittaker, Bertram Trojan,
Feretti and others have owned the name.

There are lots of used ones from the 80s still going strong. They are
such great boats that it pays to do a refurb on them and bring them
back to like new. You can buy a used 46 for 200K or so, put 2 or 300
into a complete refit and still be way ahead of a new boat of
comparable quality.

That's the way I've been thinking lately after seeing a '47 Post that
was refurbished.

I've seen a couple of insurance boats that would make good candidates
for this approach.

Little too old.

I looked at the reply and said - what?

Then I realised - whoops. I meant 47' Post.

Er...sorry.

My whole problem is that I'm vacillating between just buying another
Contender and getting something I would use rather than something "we"
would use and go through the whole renovation process with something
like a Post or Bertram or whatever and never use it.

Mrs. Wave is not a "boater" - she's been on the Ranger exactly four
times since I bought it and when I had the Contenders, the only time
she would step foot on them was when I was taking her and her gal pals
to Martha's or Block for the day or take them for a ride around
Mystic, Point Judith or evening cruises here and there. She could
care less about cruising unless its aboard one of the mega cruise line
boats which holds NO appeal to me in any sense of the word. She liked
Wayne's and Mrs. B's GB, but the first thing she said to me was that
while it was very nice boat, she would feel too confined for any long
duration.

So that's the conundrum. Mrs. Wave is being more than accomodating
with whatever I do decide on, but I'm going nuts not having something
with some reach beyond the environs of near shore fishing and running.

I should never have sold my Fisharound - that was a mistake.

Speaking of Post boats, there is a make of boat that Posts are often
mistaken for - starts with a Y. Know what that is? I can't remember.

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:27:20 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

That's the way I've been thinking lately after seeing a '47 Post that
was refurbished.

I've seen a couple of insurance boats that would make good candidates
for this approach.

Little too old.

I looked at the reply and said - what?

Then I realised - whoops. I meant 47' Post.

If I were going to put big $$$ into a sportfish refurb project it
would be a Hatt or a Bert, preferably a Bert.

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 01:13:44 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I've seen a couple of insurance boats that would make good candidates
for this approach.

If you want to end up with a great boat at a reasonable price
(reasonable is relative), I'd start out with something better than an
insurance boat so that you can spend most of the money on cosmetic
stuff. The Berts have great electrical systems so that's not usually
a problem. The 8V92TIs can be completely refurbed for $30K each, a
new genset for another 20K. Figure another 30K for new controls,
instruments and electronics. A good awlgrip job will run about 30 to
50K, complete interior refurb 50 to 100K, new canvas 10K, new props
and shafts 10K.

So let's add it up, taking mid point of the ranges:

Engines 60
Genset 20
Cntls, etc 30
Awlgrip 40
Interior 75
Canvas 10
Props 10

Loooks like about $245 give or take, maybe $300 for top shelf
everything.

Decent used 46s are about $200, so you end up with a $1M boat for less
than half. You could easily spend another 20 or 30 for new helm
seats, fighting chair, ice maker, out riggers, etc.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 01:13:44 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

I've seen a couple of insurance boats that would make good candidates
for this approach.

If you want to end up with a great boat at a reasonable price
(reasonable is relative), I'd start out with something better than an
insurance boat so that you can spend most of the money on cosmetic
stuff. The Berts have great electrical systems so that's not usually
a problem. The 8V92TIs can be completely refurbed for $30K each, a
new genset for another 20K. Figure another 30K for new controls,
instruments and electronics. A good awlgrip job will run about 30 to
50K, complete interior refurb 50 to 100K, new canvas 10K, new props
and shafts 10K.



In Short Wave's case, I think you are a little light in the new controls,
instruments and electronics.

Ever see his daily driver?

http://www.eisboch.com/instruments.jpg

Eisboch

On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 21:45:47 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

In Short Wave's case, I think you are a little light in the new controls,
instruments and electronics.

Ever see his daily driver?

http://www.eisboch.com/instruments.jpg

Heh, I once saw an old Studebaker that looked just about like that.