Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


"Reproductive rights" has no meaning in the context of abortion.

Does religious freedom include the right to be atheist?

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:57:14 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

But why continue, this subject is a very personal matter and has to be
resolved by each person individually. Not a subject I like to get into a
****ing contest over like some of the entries in this group.

Good advice (for a duck).

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:24:07 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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What do you think should happen if:

- A 16 year old girl is raped and becomes pregnant
- Her parents are fully aware of the rape
- Her parents are dead set against her having an abortion


How many abortions are performed due to rape versus the number
performed
following consenting sexual relations that results in an
inconvenient
pregnancy?

Eisboch


I don't know. Why is a statistic important to a girl who doesn't
want
to
carry a baby that was conceived in an act of violence?


The 'morning after' pill seems designed for just such an
eventuality.
I
think it should be part of any post-rape treatment.

Good for you. Unfortunately, certain cults think that pill is as bad
as
having an abortion a month or two later.



In my scenario, there is no 'knowingly' killing a kid. That's how I
can
resolve the issue.

John, that pill is pretty successful at doing its job, which is to
kill
a
fetus. And yet, you think it should be part of any post-rape
treatment.
How do you resolve these apparently opposing concepts?

Do you believe there is a "fetus" the morning after?

No, but I *do* know that some women don't deal with the mess the very
next
day, for various reasons, at least one of which someone here will pounce
on
shortly, in a nauseatingly predictable fashion.


Are these women who wait five or six months and *then* decide they were
raped?

Why do you find it necessary to make personal attacks with every post?

Because you pounced as expected, which is nauseating. Either you're doing
it
intentionally to be annoying, or you're painfully stupid.

There are other reasons a woman might not get treatment for a few days. If
you're not aware of this....you know why.


Now you're making your population *very* small. Maybe sex education in
school should tell females to get treatment as soon as possible after the
rape.

Considering that a girl could have a father like you, it's no surprise that
she might wait before dealing with the results of rape.

"D.Duck" wrote in message
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But why continue, this subject is a very personal matter and has to be
resolved by each person individually.

Bingo. The duck wins a lifetime supply of its favorite beer, and a freezer
full of Mrs Paul's fish sticks.

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:57:14 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

But why continue, this subject is a very personal matter and has to be
resolved by each person individually. Not a subject I like to get into a
****ing contest over like some of the entries in this group.

Good advice (for a duck).

Ya know, there are some intelligent Ducks. Look at Mr. Aflac.
We're not just all oily feathers. 8)

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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But why continue, this subject is a very personal matter and has to be
resolved by each person individually.

Bingo. The duck wins a lifetime supply of its favorite beer, and a freezer
full of Mrs Paul's fish sticks.


AF-LAC.....

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:45:48 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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What do you think should happen if:

- A 16 year old girl is raped and becomes pregnant
- Her parents are fully aware of the rape
- Her parents are dead set against her having an abortion

How many abortions are performed due to rape versus the number
performed
following consenting sexual relations that results in an
inconvenient
pregnancy?

Eisboch

I don't know. Why is a statistic important to a girl who doesn't
want
to
carry a baby that was conceived in an act of violence?

The 'morning after' pill seems designed for just such an
eventuality.
I
think it should be part of any post-rape treatment.

Good for you. Unfortunately, certain cults think that pill is as bad
as
having an abortion a month or two later.

In my scenario, there is no 'knowingly' killing a kid. That's how I
can
resolve the issue.

John, that pill is pretty successful at doing its job, which is to
kill
a
fetus. And yet, you think it should be part of any post-rape
treatment.
How do you resolve these apparently opposing concepts?

Do you believe there is a "fetus" the morning after?

No, but I *do* know that some women don't deal with the mess the very
next
day, for various reasons, at least one of which someone here will pounce
on
shortly, in a nauseatingly predictable fashion.

Are these women who wait five or six months and *then* decide they were
raped?

Why do you find it necessary to make personal attacks with every post?

Because you pounced as expected, which is nauseating. Either you're doing
it
intentionally to be annoying, or you're painfully stupid.

There are other reasons a woman might not get treatment for a few days. If
you're not aware of this....you know why.

Now you're making your population *very* small. Maybe sex education in
school should tell females to get treatment as soon as possible after the
rape.

Considering that a girl could have a father like you, it's no surprise that
she might wait before dealing with the results of rape

Wow, what a hero... We notice you never talk about your own family.
Personally, I think you yourself show all the signs of an incest
victim, and with your self indulgent tendencies, I might imagine you
have passed along the favor. There is help for folks like you, clergy,
groups, suicide.. either way, it's not here, no one really cares Joe,
go get some help...

"D.Duck" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"D.Duck" wrote in message
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John, that pill is pretty successful at doing its job, which is to kill
a fetus. And yet, you think it should be part of any post-rape
treatment. How do you resolve these apparently opposing concepts?

Do you believe there is a "fetus" the morning after?


To me, if there was conception, then indeed, there is a fetus.

Eisboch

I was going to carry on this discussion based on the medical definition
that a "fetus" emerges at about eight weeks after conception. Prior to
being a "fetus" it's technical name is embryo.

I believe that's a pretty fine line.

But why continue, this subject is a very personal matter and has to be
resolved by each person individually. Not a subject I like to get into a
****ing contest over like some of the entries in this group.


You are right, of course, and it's why I wrote, "To me". I realize many
disagree, medically, morally and politically, but it is why I personally
cannot support across the board abortions.

Eisboch

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:52:49 -0700, -rick- wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


"Reproductive rights" has no meaning in the context of abortion.

Does religious freedom include the right to be atheist?

Of course - it's just another belief system.

Which, when you think about it, is kind of ironic.

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:54:36 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:34:45 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

6. Admitted Yankees fan.

Number 5 (and 6) are bothersome for me.

I view #6 as a plus of course. It is doubtful that she knew anything
about the Yankees however before adopting NY as her home.

I have seen Hilary work from close up. She is very adept, shrewd and
does her homework very well. It's difficult to say what she really
believes in other than ambition.

I agree with you.

The one caveat is that I don't think she's as smart as her fans think
she is. And based on some of her recent proposals - "baby bounty"
comes to mind - math isn't her strong point either.