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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:30:43 -0400, HK
wrote:

I don't want to get into the politics of their positions, but if
you
watched the GOP debate/discussion yesterday, what did you think
of
the
candidates as performers?

I thought Guiliani and Romney did the best sales job in terms of
their
grasp of issues and hard-driving presentation, but I liked Mike
Huckabee
the best. He seems the most sincere and decent. Fred Thompson
looked
old, unprepared, out of place, even though he told a couple of
cute
jokes. McCain is trying too hard and it shows. The rest of the
crew
should drop out now.

Agree with Eisboch's comment. Obama should give Huckabee his
donation
money. Huckabee could put it to some good use. McCain should do
the
same
thing.

trolling trolling trolling....

The difference is much too subtle for you.

No. Anything you disagree with, or forces you to think, you consider
out
of
bounds. If you knew anything at all about Romney, you'd know he's a
chameleon. He'll say whatever his audience hopes for with regard to
certain
subjects. He's stated so many different things with regard to
reproductive
choice that his critics call him Mr. Multiple Choice. And, he
criticizes
universal health care by calling it a socialist idea, even though
Clinton's
suggestions are very similar to the one Romney himself promoted in
Massachusetts.

You should expand your universe of news sources to include some that
are
intended for adults who give a damn about this country.

...like I said.

You'll probably choose your candidate in the same way as a 20 year old
girl
interviewed on NPR just after the last election. She voted for Bush
because
she thought he had cute ears.

...over the ocean blue...

By the way, net cop, I wasn't about to debate reproductive rights issues.
I
was simply pointing out that Romney changes his stance on these issues
depending on his audience, so there's really no way to know where he'll
land
if elected.

How you haven't seen this is beyond me. But, you probably wear safety
glasses when brushing your teeth, so anything's possible.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, and Hillary is solid as a rock, right? I don't hear Romney
taking 4 positions on an issue, with four different dialects, in one
day. Not to mention, at least Romney is willing to stand up in front
of a hostile interivew and explain his posititions and their
evolution. Not on dem (Hillary) will even take unscripted questions,
much less address the other half of the country. Everytime she gets a
quesiton she doesn't like, she attacks the questioner, it is a tactic
developed by the Clintons back a few years ago... They just call it a
vast right wing conspiracy, and dodge.. All the time setting up groups
like Media Matters to lie and run interferance..


Meanwhile, he uses the words "socialized medicine" to describe other
people's health care ideas, while conveniently forgetting that many of these
plans are almost identical to the one he promoted in Massachusetts.

You probably don't understand why this is odd.

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:30:43 -0400, HK
wrote:

I don't want to get into the politics of their positions, but if
you
watched the GOP debate/discussion yesterday, what did you think
of
the
candidates as performers?

I thought Guiliani and Romney did the best sales job in terms of
their
grasp of issues and hard-driving presentation, but I liked Mike
Huckabee
the best. He seems the most sincere and decent. Fred Thompson
looked
old, unprepared, out of place, even though he told a couple of
cute
jokes. McCain is trying too hard and it shows. The rest of the
crew
should drop out now.

Agree with Eisboch's comment. Obama should give Huckabee his
donation
money. Huckabee could put it to some good use. McCain should do
the
same
thing.

trolling trolling trolling....

The difference is much too subtle for you.

No. Anything you disagree with, or forces you to think, you consider
out
of
bounds. If you knew anything at all about Romney, you'd know he's a
chameleon. He'll say whatever his audience hopes for with regard to
certain
subjects. He's stated so many different things with regard to
reproductive
choice that his critics call him Mr. Multiple Choice. And, he
criticizes
universal health care by calling it a socialist idea, even though
Clinton's
suggestions are very similar to the one Romney himself promoted in
Massachusetts.

You should expand your universe of news sources to include some that
are
intended for adults who give a damn about this country.

...like I said.

You'll probably choose your candidate in the same way as a 20 year old
girl
interviewed on NPR just after the last election. She voted for Bush
because
she thought he had cute ears.

...over the ocean blue...

By the way, net cop, I wasn't about to debate reproductive rights issues.
I
was simply pointing out that Romney changes his stance on these issues
depending on his audience, so there's really no way to know where he'll
land
if elected.

How you haven't seen this is beyond me. But, you probably wear safety
glasses when brushing your teeth, so anything's possible.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, and Hillary is solid as a rock, right? I don't hear Romney
taking 4 positions on an issue, with four different dialects, in one
day. Not to mention, at least Romney is willing to stand up in front
of a hostile interivew and explain his posititions and their
evolution. Not on dem (Hillary) will even take unscripted questions,
much less address the other half of the country. Everytime she gets a
quesiton she doesn't like, she attacks the questioner, it is a tactic
developed by the Clintons back a few years ago... They just call it a
vast right wing conspiracy, and dodge.. All the time setting up groups
like Media Matters to lie and run interferance..

Meanwhile, he uses the words "socialized medicine" to describe other
people's health care ideas, while conveniently forgetting that many of these
plans are almost identical to the one he promoted in Massachusetts.

You probably don't understand why this is odd.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What is with the constant accusations that folks that don't agree with
you "don't understand' or "don't read" or "don't care"... Do you
understand the concept of a Democratic Republic?? Do you understand
that the country is bigger than your basement apartment and a stack of
playboy magazines? I think you are stuck in a teenage fantasy, go back
to Jon Stewart, he seems to think at your level... Intolerant, and
ignorant...

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:11:32 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

Which stance did Romney take on reproductive rights?

I'm constantly amused by the phrase - "reproductive rights".

What exactly are "reproductive rights"?

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:30:43 -0400, HK

wrote:

I don't want to get into the politics of their positions, but
if
you
watched the GOP debate/discussion yesterday, what did you
think
of
the
candidates as performers?

I thought Guiliani and Romney did the best sales job in terms
of
their
grasp of issues and hard-driving presentation, but I liked
Mike
Huckabee
the best. He seems the most sincere and decent. Fred Thompson
looked
old, unprepared, out of place, even though he told a couple of
cute
jokes. McCain is trying too hard and it shows. The rest of the
crew
should drop out now.

Agree with Eisboch's comment. Obama should give Huckabee his
donation
money. Huckabee could put it to some good use. McCain should
do
the
same
thing.

trolling trolling trolling....

The difference is much too subtle for you.

No. Anything you disagree with, or forces you to think, you
consider
out
of
bounds. If you knew anything at all about Romney, you'd know he's
a
chameleon. He'll say whatever his audience hopes for with regard
to
certain
subjects. He's stated so many different things with regard to
reproductive
choice that his critics call him Mr. Multiple Choice. And, he
criticizes
universal health care by calling it a socialist idea, even though
Clinton's
suggestions are very similar to the one Romney himself promoted in
Massachusetts.

You should expand your universe of news sources to include some
that
are
intended for adults who give a damn about this country.

...like I said.

You'll probably choose your candidate in the same way as a 20 year
old
girl
interviewed on NPR just after the last election. She voted for Bush
because
she thought he had cute ears.

...over the ocean blue...

By the way, net cop, I wasn't about to debate reproductive rights
issues.
I
was simply pointing out that Romney changes his stance on these issues
depending on his audience, so there's really no way to know where
he'll
land
if elected.

How you haven't seen this is beyond me. But, you probably wear safety
glasses when brushing your teeth, so anything's possible.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, and Hillary is solid as a rock, right? I don't hear Romney
taking 4 positions on an issue, with four different dialects, in one
day. Not to mention, at least Romney is willing to stand up in front
of a hostile interivew and explain his posititions and their
evolution. Not on dem (Hillary) will even take unscripted questions,
much less address the other half of the country. Everytime she gets a
quesiton she doesn't like, she attacks the questioner, it is a tactic
developed by the Clintons back a few years ago... They just call it a
vast right wing conspiracy, and dodge.. All the time setting up groups
like Media Matters to lie and run interferance..

Meanwhile, he uses the words "socialized medicine" to describe other
people's health care ideas, while conveniently forgetting that many of
these
plans are almost identical to the one he promoted in Massachusetts.

You probably don't understand why this is odd.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What is with the constant accusations that folks that don't agree with
you "don't understand' or "don't read" or "don't care"... Do you
understand the concept of a Democratic Republic?? Do you understand
that the country is bigger than your basement apartment and a stack of
playboy magazines? I think you are stuck in a teenage fantasy, go back
to Jon Stewart, he seems to think at your level... Intolerant, and
ignorant...


What I understand is that it's obscene for politicians to use words
inaccurately, just because certain words are known to elicit a response from
an audience which also doesn't understand that they're being assaulted with
the wrong words. It sure works well, though.

"socialized medicine" (like the Veteran's Administration)
"fight them there so we don't have to fight them there"
"Bring 'em on!"
"cut & run"

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:00:31 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

If you knew anything at all about Romney, you'd know he's a
chameleon. He'll say whatever his audience hopes for with regard to certain
subjects.

It's called triangulation - look it up.

He's stated so many different things with regard to reproductive
choice

Now it's "reproductive choice"?

Please to 'splain this "reproductive choice".

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:30:43 -0400, HK

wrote:

I don't want to get into the politics of their positions, but
if
you
watched the GOP debate/discussion yesterday, what did you
think
of
the
candidates as performers?

I thought Guiliani and Romney did the best sales job in terms
of
their
grasp of issues and hard-driving presentation, but I liked
Mike
Huckabee
the best. He seems the most sincere and decent. Fred Thompson
looked
old, unprepared, out of place, even though he told a couple of
cute
jokes. McCain is trying too hard and it shows. The rest of the
crew
should drop out now.

Agree with Eisboch's comment. Obama should give Huckabee his
donation
money. Huckabee could put it to some good use. McCain should
do
the
same
thing.

trolling trolling trolling....

The difference is much too subtle for you.

No. Anything you disagree with, or forces you to think, you
consider
out
of
bounds. If you knew anything at all about Romney, you'd know he's
a
chameleon. He'll say whatever his audience hopes for with regard
to
certain
subjects. He's stated so many different things with regard to
reproductive
choice that his critics call him Mr. Multiple Choice. And, he
criticizes
universal health care by calling it a socialist idea, even though
Clinton's
suggestions are very similar to the one Romney himself promoted in
Massachusetts.

You should expand your universe of news sources to include some
that
are
intended for adults who give a damn about this country.

...like I said.

You'll probably choose your candidate in the same way as a 20 year
old
girl
interviewed on NPR just after the last election. She voted for Bush
because
she thought he had cute ears.

...over the ocean blue...

By the way, net cop, I wasn't about to debate reproductive rights
issues.
I
was simply pointing out that Romney changes his stance on these issues
depending on his audience, so there's really no way to know where
he'll
land
if elected.

How you haven't seen this is beyond me. But, you probably wear safety
glasses when brushing your teeth, so anything's possible.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, and Hillary is solid as a rock, right? I don't hear Romney
taking 4 positions on an issue, with four different dialects, in one
day. Not to mention, at least Romney is willing to stand up in front
of a hostile interivew and explain his posititions and their
evolution. Not on dem (Hillary) will even take unscripted questions,
much less address the other half of the country. Everytime she gets a
quesiton she doesn't like, she attacks the questioner, it is a tactic
developed by the Clintons back a few years ago... They just call it a
vast right wing conspiracy, and dodge.. All the time setting up groups
like Media Matters to lie and run interferance..

Meanwhile, he uses the words "socialized medicine" to describe other
people's health care ideas, while conveniently forgetting that many of
these
plans are almost identical to the one he promoted in Massachusetts.

You probably don't understand why this is odd.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What is with the constant accusations that folks that don't agree with
you "don't understand' or "don't read" or "don't care"... Do you
understand the concept of a Democratic Republic?? Do you understand
that the country is bigger than your basement apartment and a stack of
playboy magazines? I think you are stuck in a teenage fantasy, go back
to Jon Stewart, he seems to think at your level... Intolerant, and
ignorant...

What I understand is that it's obscene for politicians to use words
inaccurately, just because certain words are known to elicit a response from
an audience which also doesn't understand that they're being assaulted with
the wrong words. It sure works well, though.

"socialized medicine" (like the Veteran's Administration)
"fight them there so we don't have to fight them there"
"Bring 'em on!"
"cut & run"- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

But you will of course defend Hillarys three dilects in one week. Oh,
and how do you feel about Sandy Berger who will be getting his
security clearance sept next being Secretary of Defence, or State. I
am sure you thought Craig should resign for toe tapping, how do you
feel about treason? Until you can look beyond your personal issues,
and do some real thinking, you are dismissed...

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:00:31 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

If you knew anything at all about Romney, you'd know he's a
chameleon. He'll say whatever his audience hopes for with regard to certain
subjects.

It's called triangulation - look it up.

He's stated so many different things with regard to reproductive
choice

Now it's "reproductive choice"?

Please to 'splain this "reproductive choice".



In my household, "reproductive choice" means it is entirely up to a
woman whether she wants to become pregnant and, if she does, whether she
wants the pregnancy to continue.

Simple enough.

We're 100% "reproductive choice" here. Many of the Republican candidates
are anti-abortion. That's the real definition of "pro-life."

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wrote:

Which stance did Romney take on reproductive rights?

I'm constantly amused by the phrase - "reproductive rights".

What exactly are "reproductive rights"?

Example: Deciding whether to continue a pregnancy after a woman's been
raped.

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:30:43 -0400, HK

wrote:

I don't want to get into the politics of their positions,
but
if
you
watched the GOP debate/discussion yesterday, what did you
think
of
the
candidates as performers?

I thought Guiliani and Romney did the best sales job in
terms
of
their
grasp of issues and hard-driving presentation, but I liked
Mike
Huckabee
the best. He seems the most sincere and decent. Fred
Thompson
looked
old, unprepared, out of place, even though he told a couple
of
cute
jokes. McCain is trying too hard and it shows. The rest of
the
crew
should drop out now.

Agree with Eisboch's comment. Obama should give Huckabee
his
donation
money. Huckabee could put it to some good use. McCain
should
do
the
same
thing.

trolling trolling trolling....

The difference is much too subtle for you.

No. Anything you disagree with, or forces you to think, you
consider
out
of
bounds. If you knew anything at all about Romney, you'd know
he's
a
chameleon. He'll say whatever his audience hopes for with
regard
to
certain
subjects. He's stated so many different things with regard to
reproductive
choice that his critics call him Mr. Multiple Choice. And, he
criticizes
universal health care by calling it a socialist idea, even
though
Clinton's
suggestions are very similar to the one Romney himself promoted
in
Massachusetts.

You should expand your universe of news sources to include some
that
are
intended for adults who give a damn about this country.

...like I said.

You'll probably choose your candidate in the same way as a 20
year
old
girl
interviewed on NPR just after the last election. She voted for
Bush
because
she thought he had cute ears.

...over the ocean blue...

By the way, net cop, I wasn't about to debate reproductive rights
issues.
I
was simply pointing out that Romney changes his stance on these
issues
depending on his audience, so there's really no way to know where
he'll
land
if elected.

How you haven't seen this is beyond me. But, you probably wear
safety
glasses when brushing your teeth, so anything's possible.- Hide
quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, and Hillary is solid as a rock, right? I don't hear Romney
taking 4 positions on an issue, with four different dialects, in one
day. Not to mention, at least Romney is willing to stand up in front
of a hostile interivew and explain his posititions and their
evolution. Not on dem (Hillary) will even take unscripted questions,
much less address the other half of the country. Everytime she gets
a
quesiton she doesn't like, she attacks the questioner, it is a
tactic
developed by the Clintons back a few years ago... They just call it
a
vast right wing conspiracy, and dodge.. All the time setting up
groups
like Media Matters to lie and run interferance..

Meanwhile, he uses the words "socialized medicine" to describe other
people's health care ideas, while conveniently forgetting that many of
these
plans are almost identical to the one he promoted in Massachusetts.

You probably don't understand why this is odd.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What is with the constant accusations that folks that don't agree with
you "don't understand' or "don't read" or "don't care"... Do you
understand the concept of a Democratic Republic?? Do you understand
that the country is bigger than your basement apartment and a stack of
playboy magazines? I think you are stuck in a teenage fantasy, go back
to Jon Stewart, he seems to think at your level... Intolerant, and
ignorant...

What I understand is that it's obscene for politicians to use words
inaccurately, just because certain words are known to elicit a response
from
an audience which also doesn't understand that they're being assaulted
with
the wrong words. It sure works well, though.

"socialized medicine" (like the Veteran's Administration)
"fight them there so we don't have to fight them there"
"Bring 'em on!"
"cut & run"- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

But you will of course defend Hillarys three dilects in one week.

You may have noticed that I expressed disdain for ALL politicians who insult
citizens this way.


Oh,
and how do you feel about Sandy Berger who will be getting his
security clearance sept next being Secretary of Defence, or State.

Bad idea. Just as bad as this, which I suspect you haven't seen yet:
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/200.../index.html?hp



I am sure you thought Craig should resign for toe tapping

Absolutely. There's no law against being a hypocrite, but it's still
obnoxious, and he was the poster boy.

On Oct 10, 11:14 am, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:00:31 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

If you knew anything at all about Romney, you'd know he's a
chameleon. He'll say whatever his audience hopes for with regard to certain
subjects.

It's called triangulation - look it up.

He's stated so many different things with regard to reproductive
choice

Now it's "reproductive choice"?

Please to 'splain this "reproductive choice".

In my household, "reproductive choice" means it is entirely up to a
woman whether she wants to become pregnant and, if she does, whether she
wants the pregnancy to continue.

Simple enough.

We're 100% "reproductive choice" here. Many of the Republican candidates
are anti-abortion. That's the real definition of "pro-life."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I understand your positition, unless it has changed in the last few
years, you beleive in choice with no parental notification right down
to grade school... Don't make me google this, you said it. Does the
father have a choice? Do my kids have a chioce, say they want to carry
a bible to school? Or have a negative opinion of gays? How about
recruit for the military? Make a commercial? Have an airshow?
Celebrate Christmas and Easter??? Of course not, you do not beleive in
"choice" you beleive in self indulgence... Like most ideological
liberals, which unfortunately seems to be the mainstream lately...