Chuck Gould wrote:
On Sep 20, 6:07?pm, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Sep 20, 2:16?pm, gilly wrote:
Hi guys
I'm thinking of selling my Bayliner 2052 cuddy to buy a bowrider.I've
never had or been in one.
I was wondering the thoughts of the members here what you guys think
of bowriders.
In the past,i've had the occasional night on board but now the cuddy
seems to be used for storage and
a lot of wasted space,although great for the toilet use.
I rather like the idea of being able to sit up front with nothing
infront to block the view and to achieve a little more floor space for
friends rather than all sitting at the back.
So, any pro's and cons.I'm talking trailerable 20-22 foot. Does it
perhaps get a bit too cold to sit up front as your going along?,too
bouncy a ride? too wet from splash?
Any thoughts would be greatful
Thankyou
Simon
The lack of a foredeck makes a bowrider less suitable for rough water
than a traditional runabout. If you never boat in rough conditions,
not as big a deal. Several bowriders are available with a
configuration where there are two "consoles:, one to starboard with
the helm and one to port that opens up to reveal a marine toilet or
porta-potti.
No foredeck, therefore not suitable for rough water:

http://www.gradywhite.com/336/

And, of course, open stern ocean racing sailboats are not suitable for
rough water, either:

http://www.open30.org/galleries.htm

Now, *some* powerboats with no foredeck are not suitable for rough
water, but some are. Grady makes a 27' bowrider that can take on the
same sea conditions as its 27' center console. Same hull.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If you read s-l-o-w-l-y and carefully you will note that I compared
the bow rider to a "traditional runabout" and gave the nod for rough
water suitability to the latter. No attempt was made to state that any
boat without a foredeck is less suitable for rough water use than any
boat with.




What's a "traditional runabout"?

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:20:59 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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For for fishing, I prefer flat, open space in the bow:

http://tinyurl.com/355t8c


Tsk, tsk.

Dirty boat.

Eisboch



They must have a ban on washing boats.

I am wondering what is that pole in the middle of all of that open
space? It looks like something that would trip someone as they were
reeling in the fish and send them over the low gunwale. At least it
isn't it the stern or you would be sent over the LT into the prop.

I think it's an antenna. Hopefully, it gets deployed in an upright
position, but one never knows with this boat.

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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For for fishing, I prefer flat, open space in the bow:

http://tinyurl.com/355t8c


Tsk, tsk.

Dirty boat.

Eisboch


I think that support rod to keep the weak front from bending would be a
problem when a hot bite is on.

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:48:01 -0400, HK wrote:

What's a "traditional runabout"?

As usual, Google is your friend:

http://images.google.com/images?hl=e...Im ages&gbv=2

Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:48:01 -0400, HK wrote:

What's a "traditional runabout"?

As usual, Google is your friend:

http://images.google.com/images?hl=e...Im ages&gbv=2


When I think traditional runabout, this comes to mind:

http://www.lymanboat.com/freeman2.jpg

HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:48:01 -0400, HK wrote:

What's a "traditional runabout"?

As usual, Google is your friend:

http://images.google.com/images?hl=e...Im ages&gbv=2



When I think traditional runabout, this comes to mind:

http://www.lymanboat.com/freeman2.jpg

Ah so you realized that you really do know what a traditional runabout
is. Very good.

HK wrote:
jamesgangnc wrote:
I think pretty much any serious open water center console has a larger
freeboard in the front as compared to a traditional bowrider. But
then you know that, you're just looking to start an argument.

"HK" wrote in message
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 05:28:59 -0400, HK wrote:

It's not the lack of a foredeck that makes a boat "less suitable"
for rough water.
Lack of a foredeck combined with low freeboard at the bow makes it
very easy to scoop up a wave and bring it onboard. Low freeboard
forward is the big difference between a typical bowrider and a center
console.

To me, that makes a boat less suitable for rough water.
A good number of manufacturers of center console boats use the same
hulls to turn out bow riders.




Sorry, bub, but I don't do much boating on inland lakes. The bowriders I
see for the most part are the ones based upon center console hulls, as
are the "dual console" boats that offer the forward "amenities" of
bowriders.

My favorite bowrider is the Grady-White 27-footer. Same hull as the
center console and cabin models. Great-looking boat.


The problem with most bowriders is the ride...if you are in any sort of
choppy water, the bow is the worst place to be.

For for fishing, I prefer flat, open space in the bow:

http://tinyurl.com/355t8c

Sorry, bub, but the OP had no requirement for fishing.

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:41:26 -0400, HK wrote:

What's a "traditional runabout"?

As usual, Google is your friend:

http://images.google.com/images?hl=e...Im ages&gbv=2


When I think traditional runabout, this comes to mind:

http://www.lymanboat.com/freeman2.jpg

Yes, they were pretty nice, along with the Thompsons and Penn Yanns.

http://www.ablboats.com/details.asp?ListingID=73664

http://www.antiqueboatamerica.com/uploads/39981jpg2.jpg

Several of my friends had them as kids on Lake Ontario.

I thought you were the Harry that spent his entire life in and around boats.

"HK" wrote in message
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jamesgangnc wrote:
I think pretty much any serious open water center console has a larger
freeboard in the front as compared to a traditional bowrider. But then
you know that, you're just looking to start an argument.

"HK" wrote in message
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 05:28:59 -0400, HK wrote:

It's not the lack of a foredeck that makes a boat "less suitable" for
rough water.
Lack of a foredeck combined with low freeboard at the bow makes it
very easy to scoop up a wave and bring it onboard. Low freeboard
forward is the big difference between a typical bowrider and a center
console.

To me, that makes a boat less suitable for rough water.
A good number of manufacturers of center console boats use the same
hulls to turn out bow riders.




Sorry, bub, but I don't do much boating on inland lakes. The bowriders I
see for the most part are the ones based upon center console hulls, as are
the "dual console" boats that offer the forward "amenities" of bowriders.

My favorite bowrider is the Grady-White 27-footer. Same hull as the center
console and cabin models. Great-looking boat.


The problem with most bowriders is the ride...if you are in any sort of
choppy water, the bow is the worst place to be.

For for fishing, I prefer flat, open space in the bow:

http://tinyurl.com/355t8c

jamesgangnc wrote:
I thought you were the Harry that spent his entire life in and around boats.

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
jamesgangnc wrote:
I think pretty much any serious open water center console has a larger
freeboard in the front as compared to a traditional bowrider. But then
you know that, you're just looking to start an argument.

"HK" wrote in message
...
Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 05:28:59 -0400, HK wrote:

It's not the lack of a foredeck that makes a boat "less suitable" for
rough water.
Lack of a foredeck combined with low freeboard at the bow makes it
very easy to scoop up a wave and bring it onboard. Low freeboard
forward is the big difference between a typical bowrider and a center
console.

To me, that makes a boat less suitable for rough water.
A good number of manufacturers of center console boats use the same
hulls to turn out bow riders.


Sorry, bub, but I don't do much boating on inland lakes. The bowriders I
see for the most part are the ones based upon center console hulls, as are
the "dual console" boats that offer the forward "amenities" of bowriders.

My favorite bowrider is the Grady-White 27-footer. Same hull as the center
console and cabin models. Great-looking boat.


The problem with most bowriders is the ride...if you are in any sort of
choppy water, the bow is the worst place to be.

For for fishing, I prefer flat, open space in the bow:

http://tinyurl.com/355t8c



Very little lake boating. LI Sound, ICW and Ocean in Florida, various
other oceans, Chesapeake Bay. I frequented Lake Zoar when I was a kid,
though. Put in the boat right near the dam.