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Promised (by me) oil theft in progress! [Empress]
"Ignoramus11972" wrote in message a.com... In article , Empress Otku wrote: On 11 Jul 2003 15:12:28 GMT, Ignoramus11972 wrote: Let's see what is happening... Washington wants to get a big quantity of money from lenders, then the plan is, no doubt, to give it to Cheney's halliburton, Bechtel etc. Then Iraqi oil will be used to repay the loan. If the Iraqi people receive services in kind and their country is rebuilt with the money, then how have they been ripped off? Let me give you a more down to earth example. Suppose that I declare your husband to be an abuser who needs removal from your house. Then I break into your house, destroy your sunroom and electrical panel during breakin, and your cats become collateral damage. Then I occupy the house and become the ruler, staying in the master bedroom. You and your family become my subjects. Electricity is restored to the master bedroom only. Your husband is hiding in the cellar. Then I decide that your kitchen needs some remodeling. Brick countertop, glass sinks, plastic cabinets, that sort of thing. I then proceed to sell some of your furniture to pay for "reconstruction", which suspiciously is done by my overpriced contractor buddies, but is paid for by your furniture sales. Do you see anything wrong with the picture? I guess not. But I will explain. This "reconstruction" is done without consulting a legitimate govertnment of Iraqi people, the oil is being sold without permission from the Iraqi people either. There is no sovereign government in Iraq anymore. Iraqis, obviously, have no say in having THEIR oil pledged as collateral to make profits for Republican chums, by the foreign invaders/occupiers. But I bet that they would have different uses of oil in their minds. **** 'em. Frankly, they are a lot better off than they were a few months ago And you base this assertion on what? They have no electricity, garbage pickup, etc etc working, the crime is sky high, no jobs etc. They are not better off. and we've paid quite a price already. I wouldn't have given one of those now dead U.S. and U.K. young men for a thousand Iraqi lives, but I don't make those choices, do I? There is nothing new about wanting to kill thousands of occupied people in exchange for your soldiers. Old as the warfare itself. Worked for Genghis Khan. Did not work for most others. But it does not work well in modern times. By The Way Genghis Khan was kicked out of Afganistan despite his unrestrained brutality. The entire UN agreed as recently as five years ago that there were WMD in Iraq. I am not sure which resolution you are referring to, but it was completely obvious that the US had no evidence of Iraqi WMD at all. And they lie admin LIED to us about having that evidence. And no one else in the world beleived them at the time. Neither did I. Even at the time, I thought it was so much crap to gen up a nice re-election oil grab war. Now, why are we not allowing our very, very willing allies to help us with reconstruction? We want oil, baby. And "reconstruction contracts." **** the people is damned right. They should be grateful. And we should get PAID. /sarcasm They are now trying to obfuscate the issue of their lying, shifting the discussion towards "we do not know what is there and maybe we'll find something out". But the truth is, they had nothing on Iraqi WMD and lied about that. Maybe the Bush admin was/is stupid (that error about the no doubt about that... They are stupid in addition to criminal. And democraps are not better, only worse b/c they support gun control. Tovarying degres. But any way you slice it, the two party system is just a way of deciding whcih set of self service scumbags adheres to a policy choice that comes most close to your own. nuclear shopping in Africa was more than embarrassing) but they had a difficult decision to make based on common knowledge. It was a lie, not an error. The only little obstacle here is that Iraqi oil production is sabotaged by Iraqis who, not surprisingly, do not want seeing their oil riches stolen. I don't feel sorry for the Iraqis in this mess, Igor. At least, not the ones who are so stupid as to sabotage their own oil lines. I feel sorry for my wallet, myself, as well as for the US soldiers who are suckers and now have to die in Iraq, and I am also sorry for the Iraqis as well. They got into this horrid mess and now the US is afraid to leave Iraq even more than they are afraid to stay because that would undermine their "credibility". So they are guaranteed to have years of struggle ahead. I agree with you on some front. I agree that the Iraqi people are in a mess. And the poor soldiers are sitting ducks for target practice. But there is one more choice besides go and stay, and that is get international assistance and actually cease taking all the heat for the troubles by getting things done, or at least sharing the work. But the administration won't do that for one reason only. Money. They are completely right to sabotage their oil lines, as the oil is not going to benefit them. It will pay for things like the mercenary iraqi "army", Halliburton profits, etc etc. Now, Empress, you promised that there will be a big repentance on your part if my 4 month old predictions about planned theft of Iraqi oil are coming true. The occupiers have done zip for the iraqi people but are constantly working very hard to steal Iraqi oil. I am awaiting your recognition that I was right and you were wrong. Obviously, I disagree that they've done "zip" but admittedly, I'm not ready yet to claim victory, either. (For example, I don't see much happening in Afghanistan to support my expectations; I'm very sorry about that.) That's good that you are sorry about something. Accidentally, I do not has as strong objections about the Afghanistan campaign, which was based on more than greed, electioneering, and grandstanding. Igor, I'm touched that I represent the forces of Modern Imperialism in your mind. You may kiss the hem of my silk brocade robes before you leave the room. If you say sorry about iraq empress, I will be ready to kiss any of your body part except the ass. i ~Empress "A great wind is blowing, and that gives you either imagination or a headache." Catherine the Great ~Empress |