"Ignoramus11972" wrote in message
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snip the bull****

I don't understand why this vodka breath insists on posting this **** HERE,
goddam
give it a rest, if you don't like it here LEAVE

In article , Robert wrote:
Yes, and the twin towers collapsing before our eyes was a grand illusion and
the dead body parts flying from busses and restaraunts in Jerusalem mere
fabrications. It's all connected. Perhaps your lying to yourself.

Iraqis had nothing to do with 9/11...

i

"Ignoramus11972" wrote in message
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You have been lied to Robert.

Oh, so Iraq is your one and only hot spot? I expect your reasons were
different from our administration's. It's becoming more and more clear that
Iraq was simply the weak kid on the block sitting atop the SECOND LARGEST
KNOWN OIL RESERVES IN THE WORLD.

Golly, I wonder if that played into their strategy. Every other excuse
seems to have run aground.


"Robert" wrote in message
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"I" don't have a list, so it's a cheap shot.
Empress Otku wrote in message
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On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:29:19 -0400, "Robert"
wrote:

cheap shot..............

Maybe, maybe not. Speaking of predictions, I predicted we'd be going
to Africa next.

Liberia really looks like a messy place.

~Empress

"`Tu'n me loose, fo' I kick de natal stuffin' outen you,' sez Brer
Rabbit, sezee, but de Tar-Baby, she ain't sayin' nuthin' "
~Empress

West Africa has huge undeveloped oil reserves. Nigeria is a large oil
producer, but all we know about Chad is that they are sitting on lots of
oil. No wonder we are sending troops to Africa.
"jps" wrote in message
...
Oh, so Iraq is your one and only hot spot? I expect your reasons were
different from our administration's. It's becoming more and more clear
that
Iraq was simply the weak kid on the block sitting atop the SECOND LARGEST
KNOWN OIL RESERVES IN THE WORLD.

Golly, I wonder if that played into their strategy. Every other excuse
seems to have run aground.


"Robert" wrote in message
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"I" don't have a list, so it's a cheap shot.
Empress Otku wrote in message
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On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:29:19 -0400, "Robert"
wrote:

cheap shot..............

Maybe, maybe not. Speaking of predictions, I predicted we'd be going
to Africa next.

Liberia really looks like a messy place.

~Empress

"`Tu'n me loose, fo' I kick de natal stuffin' outen you,' sez Brer
Rabbit, sezee, but de Tar-Baby, she ain't sayin' nuthin' "
~Empress

marco wrote:

give it a rest, if you don't like it here LEAVE

Where is here fore you?
This is the internet. Wake up!

"Ignoramus11972" wrote in message
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In article , Empress Otku
wrote:
On 11 Jul 2003 15:12:28 GMT, Ignoramus11972
wrote:

Let's see what is happening... Washington wants to get a big quantity of
money from lenders, then the plan is, no doubt, to give it to Cheney's
halliburton, Bechtel etc. Then Iraqi oil will be used to repay the
loan.

If the Iraqi people receive services in kind and their country is
rebuilt with the money, then how have they been ripped off?

Let me give you a more down to earth example.

Suppose that I declare your husband to be an abuser who needs removal
from your house. Then I break into your house, destroy your sunroom
and electrical panel during breakin, and your cats become collateral
damage. Then I occupy the house and become the ruler, staying in the
master bedroom. You and your family become my subjects. Electricity is
restored to the master bedroom only. Your husband is hiding in the
cellar.

Then I decide that your kitchen needs some remodeling. Brick
countertop, glass sinks, plastic cabinets, that sort of thing. I then
proceed to sell some of your furniture to pay for "reconstruction",
which suspiciously is done by my overpriced contractor buddies, but is
paid for by your furniture sales.

Do you see anything wrong with the picture?

I guess not.

But I will explain. This "reconstruction" is done without consulting a
legitimate govertnment of Iraqi people, the oil is being sold without
permission from the Iraqi people either. There is no sovereign
government in Iraq anymore.

Iraqis, obviously, have no say in having THEIR oil pledged as
collateral to make profits for Republican chums, by the foreign
invaders/occupiers. But I bet that they would have different uses of
oil in their minds.

**** 'em. Frankly, they are a lot better off than they were a few
months ago

And you base this assertion on what?

They have no electricity, garbage pickup, etc etc working, the crime
is sky high, no jobs etc. They are not better off.

and we've paid quite a price already. I wouldn't have
given one of those now dead U.S. and U.K. young men for a thousand
Iraqi lives, but I don't make those choices, do I?

There is nothing new about wanting to kill thousands of occupied
people in exchange for your soldiers. Old as the warfare
itself. Worked for Genghis Khan. Did not work for most others. But it
does not work well in modern times. By The Way Genghis Khan was kicked
out of Afganistan despite his unrestrained brutality.

The entire UN agreed as recently as five years ago that there were WMD
in Iraq.

I am not sure which resolution you are referring to, but it was
completely obvious that the US had no evidence of Iraqi WMD at
all. And they lie admin LIED to us about having that evidence.


And no one else in the world beleived them at the time. Neither did I. Even
at the time, I thought it was so much crap to gen up a nice re-election oil
grab war. Now, why are we not allowing our very, very willing allies to help
us with reconstruction? We want oil, baby. And "reconstruction contracts."
**** the people is damned right. They should be grateful. And we should get
PAID. /sarcasm

They are now trying to obfuscate the issue of their lying, shifting
the discussion towards "we do not know what is there and maybe we'll
find something out". But the truth is, they had nothing on Iraqi WMD
and lied about that.

Maybe the Bush admin was/is stupid (that error about the

no doubt about that... They are stupid in addition to criminal.

And democraps are not better, only worse b/c they support gun control.


Tovarying degres. But any way you slice it, the two party system is just a
way of deciding whcih set of self service scumbags adheres to a policy
choice that comes most close to your own.

nuclear shopping in Africa was more than embarrassing) but they had a
difficult decision to make based on common knowledge.

It was a lie, not an error.

The only little obstacle here is that Iraqi oil production is
sabotaged by Iraqis who, not surprisingly, do not want seeing their
oil riches stolen.

I don't feel sorry for the Iraqis in this mess, Igor. At least, not
the ones who are so stupid as to sabotage their own oil lines.

I feel sorry for my wallet, myself, as well as for the US soldiers who
are suckers and now have to die in Iraq, and I am also sorry for the
Iraqis as well. They got into this horrid mess and now the US is
afraid to leave Iraq even more than they are afraid to stay because
that would undermine their "credibility". So they are guaranteed to
have years of struggle ahead.



I agree with you on some front. I agree that the Iraqi people are in a mess.
And the poor soldiers are sitting ducks for target practice. But there is
one more choice besides go and stay, and that is get international
assistance and actually cease taking all the heat for the troubles by
getting things done, or at least sharing the work. But the administration
won't do that for one reason only. Money.

They are completely right to sabotage their oil lines, as the oil is
not going to benefit them. It will pay for things like the mercenary
iraqi "army", Halliburton profits, etc etc.

Now, Empress, you promised that there will be a big repentance on your
part if my 4 month old predictions about planned theft of Iraqi oil
are coming true. The occupiers have done zip for the iraqi people but
are constantly working very hard to steal Iraqi oil. I am awaiting
your recognition that I was right and you were wrong.

Obviously, I disagree that they've done "zip" but admittedly, I'm not
ready yet to claim victory, either. (For example, I don't see much
happening in Afghanistan to support my expectations; I'm very sorry
about that.)

That's good that you are sorry about something. Accidentally, I do not
has as strong objections about the Afghanistan campaign, which was
based on more than greed, electioneering, and grandstanding.

Igor, I'm touched that I represent the forces of Modern Imperialism in
your mind. You may kiss the hem of my silk brocade robes before you
leave the room.

If you say sorry about iraq empress, I will be ready to kiss any of
your body part except the ass.

i

~Empress

"A great wind is blowing, and that gives you either imagination or a
headache."
Catherine the Great


~Empress

Robert wrote:



My. However after 911 when Bush said "we're coming to get you"
I said to myself "it's about time".

Why did Bush stop the investigation in to 911? Does he has something to
hide?
Why was Blix not given more time?
Where is the evidence of WMD?
The infrastructure fore producing the got dismantelt years ago.
Why was Saddam when he was poisoning the Iranians ( years back ) the
good guy?
Why were the Kurds suplyed with false information then and then left alone.?
Israel has over 80 atomic bombs and WMD and has been using the WMD on
Palestinians but is not a security threat?
I never will forget that the USA was using 8 times they veto fore
sending UN troops to East Timor.
Suharto ( president/ dictator of Indonesia ) was best friend of the USA
then and the murder of 2 million civilians.
It is about the oil of Iraq.
It is about the " New World Order ". Translate as " neo imperialism ".

Robert wrote:

Follow the money

It is coming mainly from Saudi Arabia.
Or in case of the early Taliban. USA.
Saddams regime was s e c u l a r e.
Iran's regime is religious. Al Qaida is religious.
That's why they had a war with 2 million deaths on both side. ( Iran
Iraq war )
No " wonder " Saddam " likes " Bin Laden ".

"Stephanie S" wrote in message
et...


How do these dots get connected in people's minds. I died laughing, if in
dismay, when I heard the speach by Bin Laden which supposedly proved the
association with Saddam Hussein. Bin Laden liked Hussein almost as little


as


he likes us.

Can someone explain to me the supposed link Irag and Hussein had to 911?
Cause all I see is smoke and mirrors.

S

"Robert" wrote in message
.. .


Yes, and the twin towers collapsing before our eyes was a grand illusion


and


the dead body parts flying from busses and restaraunts in Jerusalem mere
fabrications. It's all connected. Perhaps your lying to yourself.

"Ignoramus11972" wrote in message
ebra.com...
You have been lied to Robert.

Saddam was also giving money to the suicide bombers and their parent organizations. Whether Iraq wa secular or not is irelevant.
"Xenos the elder" wrote in message ...


Robert wrote:

Follow the moneyIt is coming mainly from Saudi Arabia.
Or in case of the early Taliban. USA.
Saddams regime was s e c u l a r e.
Iran's regime is religious. Al Qaida is religious.
That's why they had a war with 2 million deaths on both side. ( Iran Iraq war )
No " wonder " Saddam " likes " Bin Laden ".

"Stephanie S" wrote in message
t...
How do these dots get connected in people's minds. I died laughing, if in
dismay, when I heard the speach by Bin Laden which supposedly proved the
association with Saddam Hussein. Bin Laden liked Hussein almost as little
as
he likes us.

Can someone explain to me the supposed link Irag and Hussein had to 911?
Cause all I see is smoke and mirrors.

S

"Robert" wrote in message
...
Yes, and the twin towers collapsing before our eyes was a grand illusion
and
the dead body parts flying from busses and restaraunts in Jerusalem mere
fabrications. It's all connected. Perhaps your lying to yourself.

"Ignoramus11972" wrote in message
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You have been lied to Robert.

In article , Stephanie S wrote:
I am not sure which resolution you are referring to, but it was
completely obvious that the US had no evidence of Iraqi WMD at
all. And they lie admin LIED to us about having that evidence.


And no one else in the world beleived them at the time. Neither did
I.

Right. It was obvious that they were lying. "We have evidence but we
won't show it".

Even at the time, I thought it was so much crap to gen up a nice
re-election oil grab war. Now, why are we not allowing our very,
very willing allies to help us with reconstruction? We want oil,
baby. And "reconstruction contracts." **** the people is damned
right. They should be grateful. And we should get PAID. /sarcasm

the little difficulty lies in iraqis not wanting to pump their own
oil...

And democraps are not better, only worse b/c they support gun control.


Tovarying degres. But any way you slice it, the two party system is just a
way of deciding whcih set of self service scumbags adheres to a policy
choice that comes most close to your own.

Democrats voted for the Iraq war in Congress. The war was conducted
pretty much as they could expect. So any attempts to distance
themselves from the quite inevitable failures of the Iraq campaign is a
littbe bit disingenious.

I feel sorry for my wallet, myself, as well as for the US soldiers who
are suckers and now have to die in Iraq, and I am also sorry for the
Iraqis as well. They got into this horrid mess and now the US is
afraid to leave Iraq even more than they are afraid to stay because
that would undermine their "credibility". So they are guaranteed to
have years of struggle ahead.


I agree with you on some front. I agree that the Iraqi people are in a mess.
And the poor soldiers are sitting ducks for target practice. But there is
one more choice besides go and stay, and that is get international
assistance and actually cease taking all the heat for the troubles by
getting things done, or at least sharing the work. But the administration
won't do that for one reason only. Money.

I am not sure if other countries are that willing to send their troops
there. I doubt your premise that there is a lot of willing countries.

i