Oh deer!
 

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:32:45 -0400, wrote:

Another point, it makes the predators associate people with food.
Sometimes they get confused whether the people provide food or ARE
food. Hence most alligator attacks in Florida.

I always have to chuckle at the typical environmentalist response to
alligator attacks in Florida. The attacks are always blamed on humans
feeding the gators. Their logic is irrefutable I guess.

Oh deer!
 

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:26:44 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:24:44 -0400, john penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

There are more deer now in the USA than there ever have been. Their natural
predators have been eliminated and hunting is not allowed in urban areas.
So the deer have learned that they are safe if they stay close to humans in
urban areas. If they stray too far into the country, they end up in
someones freezer.

This is a new rule and nobody has signed on, yet, but it could happen.
An Urban Bow & Arrow Season!
http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg02_Regs/...ason_Dates.pdf

Gene,
There are many public and private lakes (including those run by the C of
E's ) that are now allowing or hiring hunters to kill the Canadian Geese
that are no longer migrating due to people feeding them. These geese
have taken over coves and lakes that would have been a brief stopover on
their migratory path, until people thought it would be cute or helpful
to feed them.

I have seen these geese killed in mass, and it really is not a pretty
sight. When people feed wildlife, they are removing the animals nature
fear of humans, and it is a recipe for disaster for both the humans they
meet and the animals themselves. Harry might think it is cute to feed
wildlife, but unfortunately it does not only effect Harry. When an
animal bites a neighbor or become sick from not eating a proper diet, it
is the animal who will be killed or ends up suffering, not the person
who is responsible for this behavior or their inability to fend for
themselves.

I don't disagree with what you have written, but I don't necessarily
think it is that simple. The animals were here first, and when we
destroy their habitat they make do with what is left.... whether it is
our lawn, our vegetable garden, or our flowers.

Other problems have been created by eliminating certain predators....
and irrationally restricting the harvesting of some animals. (While
allowing commercial harvesting of others to the point of
extinction...(for both hunter and prey...eg. the extinct NC
Oysterman.))




My fervent hope is that a few dozen of the geese around here that eat
the corn people toss out to them stop off during their migration south
this winter so they can crap on reggie retardo's head.

Reggie apparently *still* believes I care about what he posts. Dumb foch.

And the reason we try to help the animals around here, Gene, is
precisely as you outlined...the animals were here first, we destroyed
they habitat, they suffer because of us.

Oh deer!
 

Gene Kearns wrote:

I don't disagree with what you have written, but I don't necessarily
think it is that simple. The animals were here first, and when we
destroy their habitat they make do with what is left.... whether it is
our lawn, our vegetable garden, or our flowers.

Other problems have been created by eliminating certain predators....
and irrationally restricting the harvesting of some animals. (While
allowing commercial harvesting of others to the point of
extinction...(for both hunter and prey...eg. the extinct NC
Oysterman.))

I agree the wildlife should be able to use any available habitat even if
it is our lawn, our lake, our vegetable garden or our flowers. It is
harmful to the animals (according to every wildlife expert in the world)
to throw out feed for these animals, to destroy their natural fear of
humans and to change their normal feeding and migratory patterns.

The problem with Geese isn't when they stop over for a few days to eat,
**** and to rest, it is when some idiot starts to feed them and they
figure it is easier to eat the easy unhealthy diet, then to migrate and
fly 1000's of miles every 6 months.

Oh deer!
 

HK wrote:


My fervent hope is that a few dozen of the geese around here that eat
the corn people toss out to them stop off during their migration south
this winter so they can crap on reggie retardo's head.

Harry, I don't post my information for you, because you are too self
centered to care what damage you do to the wildlife. I comment on
feeding the wildlife because I believe the vast majority of people in
here are interested in doing what is best for the animals.

Reggie apparently *still* believes I care about what he posts. Dumb foch.

Harry, the only reason you live your imaginary persona in rec.boats is
because you are desperately seeking emotional support from strangers.

And the reason we try to help the animals around here, Gene, is
precisely as you outlined...the animals were here first, we destroyed
they habitat, they suffer because of us.

Harry, Gene did make the observation that we have destroyed their
habitat, I don't think he has said he endorses feeding wildlife. Since
he appears to be intelligent, I would not expect him to ignore the
advice of every wildlife experts and feed or encourage others to feed
the wildlife.

Oh deer!
 

On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 09:35:14 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

When we first moved into a house on a wooded lot after leaving the Navy, we
were routinely visited by a large, wild creature who's visits were both
annoying and a bit scary at times.

After a while though, my mother-in-law came to realize that her daughter was
fine, happy and the visits became fewer.

After you stopped feeding her ?

Oh deer!
 

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 09:49:39 -0400, HK wrote:

I've heard good things about the St. Augustine area and should check
it out.

Too cold in the winter for my tastes although a lovely town and a half
decent inlet. There is really no part of Florida that I care to be
in the summer months so best to optimize for winter and go north in
the summer, far north.

Oh deer!
 

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:26:44 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:24:44 -0400, john penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

There are more deer now in the USA than there ever have been. Their
natural predators have been eliminated and hunting is not allowed in
urban areas. So the deer have learned that they are safe if they stay
close to humans in urban areas. If they stray too far into the
country, they end up in someones freezer.

This is a new rule and nobody has signed on, yet, but it could happen.
An Urban Bow & Arrow Season!
http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg02_Regs/...ason_Dates.pdf

Gene,
There are many public and private lakes (including those run by the C of
E's ) that are now allowing or hiring hunters to kill the Canadian Geese
that are no longer migrating due to people feeding them. These geese
have taken over coves and lakes that would have been a brief stopover on
their migratory path, until people thought it would be cute or helpful
to feed them.

I have seen these geese killed in mass, and it really is not a pretty
sight. When people feed wildlife, they are removing the animals nature
fear of humans, and it is a recipe for disaster for both the humans they
meet and the animals themselves. Harry might think it is cute to feed
wildlife, but unfortunately it does not only effect Harry. When an
animal bites a neighbor or become sick from not eating a proper diet, it
is the animal who will be killed or ends up suffering, not the person
who is responsible for this behavior or their inability to fend for
themselves.

I don't disagree with what you have written, but I don't necessarily
think it is that simple. The animals were here first, and when we
destroy their habitat they make do with what is left.... whether it is
our lawn, our vegetable garden, or our flowers.

Other problems have been created by eliminating certain predators....
and irrationally restricting the harvesting of some animals. (While
allowing commercial harvesting of others to the point of
extinction...(for both hunter and prey...eg. the extinct NC
Oysterman.))




My fervent hope is that a few dozen of the geese around here that eat the
corn people toss out to them stop off during their migration south this
winter so they can crap on reggie retardo's head.

Reggie apparently *still* believes I care about what he posts. Dumb foch.

And the reason we try to help the animals around here, Gene, is precisely
as you outlined...the animals were here first, we destroyed they habitat,
they suffer because of us.


Actually you are 100% in error. The reason the Northeast and other more
northern areas have lots of geese all year is because man has provided lots
of habitat, so they do not have to migrate south for winter. Used to be
there were few open bodies of fresh water in the northern areas during
winter. Now with power plants and industry providing open water with their
cooling ponds and the fact that lots of grain and alfalfa is planted, they
have water and food. So too many birds stay on too small of an area. Lots
of large die offs from Avian Botulism. Too many birds on a pond and the
bacteria concentrates in the water.

Oh deer!
 

Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 08:17:54 -0400, HK wrote:

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 10:51:40 -0000, thunder
wrote:

On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:38:57 -0700, Calif Bill wrote:


we are seeing less and less Bambi's in California. Since the eco-nuts
have protected the mountain lion, they have done what cats have always
done. Make lots more cats. Now they run out of deer to eat, and take
out pets and a few hikers. We have endangered Desert Big Horn sheep.
Most every fatality of the decreaseing numbers is caused by mountain
lions. Which are not that rare here.
All the bureaucracies keep denying, but I've been reading of quite a few
sightings of mountain lions east
of the Mississippi. Except for the Florida Panther, mountain lions are
supposed to be extirpated in the
east, but I'm starting to doubt it.
Don't EVEN get me started on that.

Ooops - to late. :)

Three years ago when I still had Duke Dogge Dog, I got a call from TK
up the street asking me to bring my M1 carbine up because he had a big
cat in his heifer pen. I said you mean bobcat, and he said no -
mountain lion.

Uh uh...

We're hearing the same denial from the NY DEC, despite some rather large
evidence from experienced trackers.

When the occasional hippy tells me I'm paranoid for carrying a gun when I'm
hiking into remote fishing areas, I am tempted to pee on their shoes.


I always "carry" when I'm out on the trails near the Shenandoah. There
have been large cat sightings, but the real threat comes from packs of
feral dogs. My buddy's property out there has a genuine bear cave on it,
and he's found remnants of deer nearby, but he's not seen the bears and
doesn't know what killed and ate the deer.

How do you know the bear cave is genuine? Does it have a plaque?

One of my neighbors here claims to have seen a bear tramping through the
woods, but I'm not sure about that. I've seen a couple of really large
critters off in the distance, too, but I think they were just dogs,
though I like to think they were bears. We do have lots of foxes,
raccoons, possums, groundhogs, squirrels, pheasants, wild turkeys, et
cetera, around here, along with all the "domesticated" horses, cattle,
sheep, goats, llamas, ducks, geese and dogs and cats.

Guess I'm lucky Illinois isn't so wild like the jungles of the NE U.S.
and the African savannahs.
I just "carry" my Star Trek II phaser ray gun to ward off UFO's.
Boring.

--Vic
In the 70s my Uncle ran an Orchard in lower Indiana. Now we all know
wolves are extinct in the East, don't we? I told my Cousin ah bull it's
just foxes. We didn't have Coyotes either back then. I went with them to
a gully in the middle of the orchard. I watched, with them wolves for
quite some time. The orchard is long gone as are they, turned into a
leveled corn field. Others and I have seen cougars, in our neck of the
woods. Twenty years ago. I;m not going to call anybody. Just let them
alone and do their thing.

Oh deer!
 

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 17:22:33 -0400, HK wrote:

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:26:44 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:24:44 -0400, john penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

There are more deer now in the USA than there ever have been. Their natural
predators have been eliminated and hunting is not allowed in urban areas.
So the deer have learned that they are safe if they stay close to humans in
urban areas. If they stray too far into the country, they end up in
someones freezer.

This is a new rule and nobody has signed on, yet, but it could happen.
An Urban Bow & Arrow Season!
http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg02_Regs/...ason_Dates.pdf

Gene,
There are many public and private lakes (including those run by the C of
E's ) that are now allowing or hiring hunters to kill the Canadian Geese
that are no longer migrating due to people feeding them. These geese
have taken over coves and lakes that would have been a brief stopover on
their migratory path, until people thought it would be cute or helpful
to feed them.

I have seen these geese killed in mass, and it really is not a pretty
sight. When people feed wildlife, they are removing the animals nature
fear of humans, and it is a recipe for disaster for both the humans they
meet and the animals themselves. Harry might think it is cute to feed
wildlife, but unfortunately it does not only effect Harry. When an
animal bites a neighbor or become sick from not eating a proper diet, it
is the animal who will be killed or ends up suffering, not the person
who is responsible for this behavior or their inability to fend for
themselves.

I don't disagree with what you have written, but I don't necessarily
think it is that simple. The animals were here first, and when we
destroy their habitat they make do with what is left.... whether it is
our lawn, our vegetable garden, or our flowers.

Other problems have been created by eliminating certain predators....
and irrationally restricting the harvesting of some animals. (While
allowing commercial harvesting of others to the point of
extinction...(for both hunter and prey...eg. the extinct NC
Oysterman.))




My fervent hope is that a few dozen of the geese around here that eat
the corn people toss out to them stop off during their migration south
this winter so they can crap on reggie retardo's head.

Reggie apparently *still* believes I care about what he posts. Dumb foch.

And the reason we try to help the animals around here, Gene, is
precisely as you outlined...the animals were here first, we destroyed
they habitat, they suffer because of us.

There are huge amounts of habitat along west side of the Chesapeake south
of Chesapeake Beach.

Hopefully someone will put Breezy Point, MD, in Mapquest and look at the
satellite view. But, I forget, one of your more noteworthy 'foibles' (which
many of us *don't* have) is a propensity to twist the truth to suit.

Stop bull****ting the troops, Harry. Some of us know better.

Oh deer!
 

On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:29:07 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
...
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:26:44 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:24:44 -0400, john penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

There are more deer now in the USA than there ever have been. Their
natural predators have been eliminated and hunting is not allowed in
urban areas. So the deer have learned that they are safe if they stay
close to humans in urban areas. If they stray too far into the
country, they end up in someones freezer.

This is a new rule and nobody has signed on, yet, but it could happen.
An Urban Bow & Arrow Season!
http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg02_Regs/...ason_Dates.pdf

Gene,
There are many public and private lakes (including those run by the C of
E's ) that are now allowing or hiring hunters to kill the Canadian Geese
that are no longer migrating due to people feeding them. These geese
have taken over coves and lakes that would have been a brief stopover on
their migratory path, until people thought it would be cute or helpful
to feed them.

I have seen these geese killed in mass, and it really is not a pretty
sight. When people feed wildlife, they are removing the animals nature
fear of humans, and it is a recipe for disaster for both the humans they
meet and the animals themselves. Harry might think it is cute to feed
wildlife, but unfortunately it does not only effect Harry. When an
animal bites a neighbor or become sick from not eating a proper diet, it
is the animal who will be killed or ends up suffering, not the person
who is responsible for this behavior or their inability to fend for
themselves.

I don't disagree with what you have written, but I don't necessarily
think it is that simple. The animals were here first, and when we
destroy their habitat they make do with what is left.... whether it is
our lawn, our vegetable garden, or our flowers.

Other problems have been created by eliminating certain predators....
and irrationally restricting the harvesting of some animals. (While
allowing commercial harvesting of others to the point of
extinction...(for both hunter and prey...eg. the extinct NC
Oysterman.))




My fervent hope is that a few dozen of the geese around here that eat the
corn people toss out to them stop off during their migration south this
winter so they can crap on reggie retardo's head.

Reggie apparently *still* believes I care about what he posts. Dumb foch.

And the reason we try to help the animals around here, Gene, is precisely
as you outlined...the animals were here first, we destroyed they habitat,
they suffer because of us.


Actually you are 100% in error. The reason the Northeast and other more
northern areas have lots of geese all year is because man has provided lots
of habitat, so they do not have to migrate south for winter. Used to be
there were few open bodies of fresh water in the northern areas during
winter. Now with power plants and industry providing open water with their
cooling ponds and the fact that lots of grain and alfalfa is planted, they
have water and food. So too many birds stay on too small of an area. Lots
of large die offs from Avian Botulism. Too many birds on a pond and the
bacteria concentrates in the water.


Ditto with deer, groundhogs, raccoons, squirrels, and a host of other
animals we shouldn't be feeding.