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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:47:33 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:11:43 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:55:36 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:52:12 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Dogs don't work. My brother had dogs on the golf course he managed. The
geese would just fly into the water when the dog came. The dog couldn't
swim fast enough to scare the geese.

You got the wrong trainer. The dog isn't supposed to chase them into
the water.

I work with BCs here in and around golf courses and haven't ever had
that problem.

It's all in how the dogs are trained.

The dogs don't 'chase' them into the water, the friggin' geese get smart
quick and fly into the friggin' water as soon as they see the dog!

There must be some stupid friggin' geese up there!

I saw the Border Collies in action once, and they would swim after the
geese that lit in the water. The geese would take off after the dog
swam a short distance. I guess there's geese and geese, dogs and
dogs.

--Vic

It could also depend on the size of the pond/lake. The geese to which I'm
referring would take off and fly to the other side of the water. Poor dog
would wear himself out in no time.

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:51:46 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:47:00 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Ah, something on which we agree! I grew up on fried rabbit.

Taste like chicken? Never had it myself, though I've had turtle
and squirrel once each. The squirrel wasn't cooked right and
was tough and tasteless. The turtle tasted...like chicken.

--Vic

Rabbit tastes like rabbit. Squirrel is good if cooked right. We would bread
it, fry it to a golden brown, then put it in a covered pan with a little
water and bake it for an hour or so. This got them pretty tender.

Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:55:52 -0400, HK wrote:

Real purty. I sometimes use them but prefer my M5 with ACP's for the
heavy action. This is when playing SWAT 4, a terrific game.
Did I tell you I live in Morton Grove, IL?
They've outlawed bears, cougars and handguns.

--Vic
So, you keep your Israeli handgun concealed, eh?

Went over my head. I don't know much about guns, although
years ago I subscribed to Guns and was pretty advanced in my dreaming.
But there was this place in Marietta Georgia I stopped
once when I drove to Florida with a buddy. Called the Bulletstop.
Think it was '85, when the Bears played the Dolphins in the superbowl.
Shot clips from an Uzi, and a Thompson. It was fun, but expensive.
I think if I ever felt the need to "protect my family" I'd have a
Remington 12 autoloader to sleep with, and get a big pillow to keep it
under.

--Vic

Aha. I thought you were referring to a pretty decent Israeli target
pistol, made by BUL:

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg205-e.htm

Here's some more views of the X5 I have:

http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/Sho...rodu ctid=143

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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:38:43 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:20:21 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:53:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:13:29 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:50:24 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:46:02 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:02:55 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:25:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:00:17 -0400, wrote:

The winner was always an old sargent who took his time and
shot
down
one per round, with a 2" revolver.

I have said for years that the reason is due to 13 round
semi-auto
hand guns.

With a revolver, you only have six - makes you concentrate.

One of my favorite gun technique books suggests taking only 6
rounds
to the
range, no matter what kind of handgun you're shooting. Good
idea.

All my kids were trained that way. In fact, when my youngest
went
to
the Academy in SC, he noticed that the more bullets they were
issues,
the more the used them.

He took his time, minimum shots and did well.

It's the revolver training.

I have a 9mm Glock, but I never carry it unless I'm in the
woods.
For
just carrying purposes, it's a .357 mag on a .38 frame.

Don't you mean that the other way around? My Highway Patrolman
shoots
.38's
but is a .357 magnum frame (and shoots them!).

Nope - just the way I spake it.

Wouldn't a gun with a frame built for .38's be somewhat unsafe with
a
bunch
of .357 mags going through it?

What part of this is so hard to understand?

The gun is a .357 mag built on a .38 frame.

Ruger SP101

Hello? Anybody home?

You god damned people will agrue about anything.

I'm outa here for a while.

Morons.

No argument exists. I was simply asking a question. I looked for
information on the Ruger SP101, but could find nothing saying the
frame
was
built for .38's.

Look at the top strap, Einstein.

Ah, another name-caller!

Enlighten me, please. I am certainly no expert on pistols. What is a
'top
strap'?

Is there one in this photo?

http://tinyurl.com/lw55

Yes, there is. See the black grip with the silver screw holding it on?
That's actually called the top strap.

Those are grip inserts. I've never heard them called 'top straps'. Do
they
have a stamp on them somewhere saying the frame is a .38 caliber frame?

No. You just have to know these things. One high-tech way of knowing is to
read a lot.

Well, here's the site with all the specs and such. Perhaps you could point
me to where it says the Ruger SP101 pistol is built on a .38 frame. Or,
please point me to anything that says that. I'll admit to not reading a
whole lot about pistols.

Here's a site that gives enough information for people who know something
about pistols.
http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger_SP101.htm

Call your local police station and ask whether it's legal to use google in
your town. That should help you find the information you need.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"John H." wrote in message

Here's a site that gives enough information for people who know something
about pistols.
http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger_SP101.htm

Call your local police station and ask whether it's legal to use google in
your town. That should help you find the information you need.

Long one of my favorite shooting sites, but you can see the desperation
in the right's politics...he's endorsed Tired Old Fred, with the same
ideas that brought us...Iraq.

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:49:47 -0400, HK wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:55:52 -0400, HK wrote:

Real purty. I sometimes use them but prefer my M5 with ACP's for the
heavy action. This is when playing SWAT 4, a terrific game.
Did I tell you I live in Morton Grove, IL?
They've outlawed bears, cougars and handguns.

--Vic
So, you keep your Israeli handgun concealed, eh?

Went over my head. I don't know much about guns, although
years ago I subscribed to Guns and was pretty advanced in my dreaming.
But there was this place in Marietta Georgia I stopped
once when I drove to Florida with a buddy. Called the Bulletstop.
Think it was '85, when the Bears played the Dolphins in the superbowl.
Shot clips from an Uzi, and a Thompson. It was fun, but expensive.
I think if I ever felt the need to "protect my family" I'd have a
Remington 12 autoloader to sleep with, and get a big pillow to keep it
under.

--Vic

Aha. I thought you were referring to a pretty decent Israeli target
pistol, made by BUL:

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg205-e.htm

Here's some more views of the X5 I have:

http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/Sho...rodu ctid=143

No, and I was mistaken in saying M5. Haven't played in a while.
Here's a tip sheet description:
"Colt M4A1 Carbine
Overall : ****
Accuracy : *****
Stopping Power : ****
Rate Of Fire : ****
Recoil : **
Firing Modes : Auto/Semi
Rounds Per Clip : 30
This gun seems to be the most popular in most multiplayer games,
because of it's stopping power and accuracy, the problem with this
though is it's rather nasty recoil, which is pretty much the only
problem with the M4, but a nice overall weapon."

So you can see what kind of gunman I am.
Despite early interests in guns, except for short periods, I've always
been a city boy.
Different place, I might get interested again.

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:49:47 -0400, HK wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:55:52 -0400, HK wrote:

Real purty. I sometimes use them but prefer my M5 with ACP's for the
heavy action. This is when playing SWAT 4, a terrific game.
Did I tell you I live in Morton Grove, IL?
They've outlawed bears, cougars and handguns.

--Vic
So, you keep your Israeli handgun concealed, eh?
Went over my head. I don't know much about guns, although
years ago I subscribed to Guns and was pretty advanced in my dreaming.
But there was this place in Marietta Georgia I stopped
once when I drove to Florida with a buddy. Called the Bulletstop.
Think it was '85, when the Bears played the Dolphins in the superbowl.
Shot clips from an Uzi, and a Thompson. It was fun, but expensive.
I think if I ever felt the need to "protect my family" I'd have a
Remington 12 autoloader to sleep with, and get a big pillow to keep it
under.

--Vic

Aha. I thought you were referring to a pretty decent Israeli target
pistol, made by BUL:

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg205-e.htm

Here's some more views of the X5 I have:

http://www.sigsauer.com/Products/Sho...rodu ctid=143

No, and I was mistaken in saying M5. Haven't played in a while.
Here's a tip sheet description:
"Colt M4A1 Carbine
Overall : ****
Accuracy : *****
Stopping Power : ****
Rate Of Fire : ****
Recoil : **
Firing Modes : Auto/Semi
Rounds Per Clip : 30
This gun seems to be the most popular in most multiplayer games,
because of it's stopping power and accuracy, the problem with this
though is it's rather nasty recoil, which is pretty much the only
problem with the M4, but a nice overall weapon."

It's less than desirable in hot, dusty areas.

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:30:38 -0400, HK wrote:

It's less than desirable in hot, dusty areas.

SWAT 4 missions are all in commercial/industrial areas.
My M4A has never jammed, and I never even oiled it!

--Vic

"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:08:19 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:38:43 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:51:59 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:20:21 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:53:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:13:29 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:50:24 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:46:02 -0500, John H.

wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:02:55 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:25:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
message
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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:00:17 -0400,
wrote:

The winner was always an old sargent who took his time and
shot
down
one per round, with a 2" revolver.

I have said for years that the reason is due to 13 round
semi-auto
hand guns.

With a revolver, you only have six - makes you concentrate.

One of my favorite gun technique books suggests taking only 6
rounds
to the
range, no matter what kind of handgun you're shooting. Good
idea.

All my kids were trained that way. In fact, when my youngest
went
to
the Academy in SC, he noticed that the more bullets they were
issues,
the more the used them.

He took his time, minimum shots and did well.

It's the revolver training.

I have a 9mm Glock, but I never carry it unless I'm in the
woods.
For
just carrying purposes, it's a .357 mag on a .38 frame.

Don't you mean that the other way around? My Highway Patrolman
shoots
.38's
but is a .357 magnum frame (and shoots them!).

Nope - just the way I spake it.

Wouldn't a gun with a frame built for .38's be somewhat unsafe
with
a
bunch
of .357 mags going through it?

What part of this is so hard to understand?

The gun is a .357 mag built on a .38 frame.

Ruger SP101

Hello? Anybody home?

You god damned people will agrue about anything.

I'm outa here for a while.

Morons.

No argument exists. I was simply asking a question. I looked for
information on the Ruger SP101, but could find nothing saying the
frame
was
built for .38's.

Look at the top strap, Einstein.

Ah, another name-caller!

Enlighten me, please. I am certainly no expert on pistols. What is a
'top
strap'?

Is there one in this photo?

http://tinyurl.com/lw55

Yes, there is. See the black grip with the silver screw holding it on?
That's actually called the top strap.

Those are grip inserts. I've never heard them called 'top straps'. Do
they
have a stamp on them somewhere saying the frame is a .38 caliber
frame?

No. You just have to know these things. One high-tech way of knowing is
to
read a lot.

Well, here's the site with all the specs and such. Perhaps you could
point
me to where it says the Ruger SP101 pistol is built on a .38 frame. Or,
please point me to anything that says that. I'll admit to not reading a
whole lot about pistols.

Here's a site that gives enough information for people who know something
about pistols.
http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger_SP101.htm

Call your local police station and ask whether it's legal to use google in
your town. That should help you find the information you need.

Actually, I used Google to find the specs I gave you above. I could find
nothing on the site you provided saying anything about the SP101 being a
.38 frame. I did read that it was designed to be a small, strong .357
Magnum.

Help!

You haven't read enough. You have no secretary here. Since you have nothing
better to do, continue doing your homework, or shut your trap.