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. .. http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=67160&fr=yvmtf This ought to rile up the mindless inlanders. Onions, cajun spice, 6 rounds, BLAM! Should be easy to get at least two of them. |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=67160&fr=yvmtf This ought to rile up the mindless inlanders. Onions, cajun spice, 6 rounds, BLAM! Should be easy to get at least two of them. You like them young, eh? |
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. .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=67160&fr=yvmtf This ought to rile up the mindless inlanders. Onions, cajun spice, 6 rounds, BLAM! Should be easy to get at least two of them. You like them young, eh? I like them two ways, regardless of age: 1) Miles away from my garden or 2) Dead, any way possible. And, I live in an place where the same houses have been in place for 50 years. So, it's not a matter of encroaching on their land. Or, maybe it is, but nothing's changed since 1956 when this development was created, except that hunting was banned in a large nearby park area. |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=67160&fr=yvmtf This ought to rile up the mindless inlanders. Onions, cajun spice, 6 rounds, BLAM! Should be easy to get at least two of them. You like them young, eh? I like them two ways, regardless of age: 1) Miles away from my garden or 2) Dead, any way possible. And, I live in an place where the same houses have been in place for 50 years. So, it's not a matter of encroaching on their land. Or, maybe it is, but nothing's changed since 1956 when this development was created, except that hunting was banned in a large nearby park area. We have much larger ones, probably a different species, wandering through our yard from time to time. Rarely one will stop to munch on some of my wife's garden flowers, but it doesn't upset her. We also have wandering raccoons, foxes, possums, pheasants, wild turkeys, squirrels, birds, and rarely, feral cats. No wandering dogs, though. Not allowed. And no hunters, of course. Verboten. |
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. .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=67160&fr=yvmtf This ought to rile up the mindless inlanders. Onions, cajun spice, 6 rounds, BLAM! Should be easy to get at least two of them. You like them young, eh? I like them two ways, regardless of age: 1) Miles away from my garden or 2) Dead, any way possible. And, I live in an place where the same houses have been in place for 50 years. So, it's not a matter of encroaching on their land. Or, maybe it is, but nothing's changed since 1956 when this development was created, except that hunting was banned in a large nearby park area. We have much larger ones, probably a different species, wandering through our yard from time to time. Rarely one will stop to munch on some of my wife's garden flowers, but it doesn't upset her. We also have wandering raccoons, foxes, possums, pheasants, wild turkeys, squirrels, birds, and rarely, feral cats. No wandering dogs, though. Not allowed. And no hunters, of course. Verboten. Here, the deer eat everything. When I first looked at the neighborhood, I that most houses had no gardens whatsoever, other than some foundation shrubs. Pretty boring. I saw lots of very elderly people out for walks, and figured this explained the lack of plantings. Maintaining gardens isn't easy when you have trouble bending, ya know? Wrong theory. It was the deer. Many people have given up the battle. So far, I've figured out that they won't touch rhubarb, barberry (a great educational tool for wayward dogs), marigolds, basil, broccoli (and others in the cabbage family) and rosemary. Everything else if fair game. Daylilly buds are eaten the day before they're about to open. Rosebuds, too. Matter of fact, the prior owners of the house planted a climbing rose with huge thorns. The deer eat the stems, thorns and all. Robodeer! I finally fenced the vegetable garden, which I was avoiding because it just creates one more place I have to edge. But, they were eating the leaves off the pole beans (at 6 feet up the pole), the bell peppers, the tomato plant leaves, etc etc...... |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=67160&fr=yvmtf This ought to rile up the mindless inlanders. Onions, cajun spice, 6 rounds, BLAM! Should be easy to get at least two of them. You like them young, eh? I like them two ways, regardless of age: 1) Miles away from my garden or 2) Dead, any way possible. And, I live in an place where the same houses have been in place for 50 years. So, it's not a matter of encroaching on their land. Or, maybe it is, but nothing's changed since 1956 when this development was created, except that hunting was banned in a large nearby park area. We have much larger ones, probably a different species, wandering through our yard from time to time. Rarely one will stop to munch on some of my wife's garden flowers, but it doesn't upset her. We also have wandering raccoons, foxes, possums, pheasants, wild turkeys, squirrels, birds, and rarely, feral cats. No wandering dogs, though. Not allowed. And no hunters, of course. Verboten. Here, the deer eat everything. When I first looked at the neighborhood, I that most houses had no gardens whatsoever, other than some foundation shrubs. Pretty boring. I saw lots of very elderly people out for walks, and figured this explained the lack of plantings. Maintaining gardens isn't easy when you have trouble bending, ya know? Wrong theory. It was the deer. Many people have given up the battle. So far, I've figured out that they won't touch rhubarb, barberry (a great educational tool for wayward dogs), marigolds, basil, broccoli (and others in the cabbage family) and rosemary. Everything else if fair game. Daylilly buds are eaten the day before they're about to open. Rosebuds, too. Matter of fact, the prior owners of the house planted a climbing rose with huge thorns. The deer eat the stems, thorns and all. Robodeer! I finally fenced the vegetable garden, which I was avoiding because it just creates one more place I have to edge. But, they were eating the leaves off the pole beans (at 6 feet up the pole), the bell peppers, the tomato plant leaves, etc etc...... Unlike some people, your deer prefer a healthy diet. |
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. .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=67160&fr=yvmtf This ought to rile up the mindless inlanders. Onions, cajun spice, 6 rounds, BLAM! Should be easy to get at least two of them. You like them young, eh? I like them two ways, regardless of age: 1) Miles away from my garden or 2) Dead, any way possible. And, I live in an place where the same houses have been in place for 50 years. So, it's not a matter of encroaching on their land. Or, maybe it is, but nothing's changed since 1956 when this development was created, except that hunting was banned in a large nearby park area. We have much larger ones, probably a different species, wandering through our yard from time to time. Rarely one will stop to munch on some of my wife's garden flowers, but it doesn't upset her. We also have wandering raccoons, foxes, possums, pheasants, wild turkeys, squirrels, birds, and rarely, feral cats. No wandering dogs, though. Not allowed. And no hunters, of course. Verboten. Here, the deer eat everything. When I first looked at the neighborhood, I that most houses had no gardens whatsoever, other than some foundation shrubs. Pretty boring. I saw lots of very elderly people out for walks, and figured this explained the lack of plantings. Maintaining gardens isn't easy when you have trouble bending, ya know? Wrong theory. It was the deer. Many people have given up the battle. So far, I've figured out that they won't touch rhubarb, barberry (a great educational tool for wayward dogs), marigolds, basil, broccoli (and others in the cabbage family) and rosemary. Everything else if fair game. Daylilly buds are eaten the day before they're about to open. Rosebuds, too. Matter of fact, the prior owners of the house planted a climbing rose with huge thorns. The deer eat the stems, thorns and all. Robodeer! I finally fenced the vegetable garden, which I was avoiding because it just creates one more place I have to edge. But, they were eating the leaves off the pole beans (at 6 feet up the pole), the bell peppers, the tomato plant leaves, etc etc...... Unlike some people, your deer prefer a healthy diet. I once clipped a list of available salad dressings to the tomato cage, but I got no response. I guess they're into the low-fat thing. |
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HK wrote:
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=67160&fr=yvmtf This ought to rile up the mindless inlanders. Those are all young deer. Evidently it is a deer raising operation. I saw several in Missouri run by Amish. They raise them for canned hunt outfits in Texas and elsewhere. They are all semi tame. Not much sport in shooting caged bambis. |
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tsi-yu wrote:
HK wrote: http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=67160&fr=yvmtf This ought to rile up the mindless inlanders. Those are all young deer. Evidently it is a deer raising operation. I saw several in Missouri run by Amish. They raise them for canned hunt outfits in Texas and elsewhere. They are all semi tame. Not much sport in shooting caged bambis. Ahh. Canned hunts. Texas. Of course. |
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. .. tsi-yu wrote: HK wrote: http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=67160&fr=yvmtf This ought to rile up the mindless inlanders. Those are all young deer. Evidently it is a deer raising operation. I saw several in Missouri run by Amish. They raise them for canned hunt outfits in Texas and elsewhere. They are all semi tame. Not much sport in shooting caged bambis. Ahh. Canned hunts. Texas. Of course. It's big in Western PA, too. Kind of going to a public gathering with a rifle and picking off people just because you can. But, different, if you squint. |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. tsi-yu wrote: HK wrote: http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=67160&fr=yvmtf This ought to rile up the mindless inlanders. Those are all young deer. Evidently it is a deer raising operation. I saw several in Missouri run by Amish. They raise them for canned hunt outfits in Texas and elsewhere. They are all semi tame. Not much sport in shooting caged bambis. Ahh. Canned hunts. Texas. Of course. It's big in Western PA, too. Kind of going to a public gathering with a rifle and picking off people just because you can. But, different, if you squint. THat's the kind of hunt Cheney goes on...of course, he shot his close friend. After who knows how many beers. |
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On Sep 5, 8:34?am, tsi-yu wrote:
They are all semi tame. Not much sport in shooting caged bambis. Make that BAM(!)-bye. More and more people can live a lifetime without actually encountering any wildlife. It's like the hatchery-trout fishery they have every spring up this way. They spend $millions breeding trout in state hatcheries, where for a year or two the fish are taught to associate people with food. Even a fish (one of the dumbest animals around) eventually learns that responding to a certain stimulus (the presence of people) by eating anything the people throw into the pond will result in high times and easy livin'. They stuff these trained fish into tanker trucks and will dump thousands upon thousands of them into a variety of lakes -many of which are *not* really suitable trout habitat). Opening Day of fishing season comes around, and it's elbow-to-elbow along the shorelines of these recently stocked lakes. The Game Department usually opens the season on a Sunday, so some of the fish haven't been fed for several days prior and they sign the piscatoral version of the Hallelujah Chorus when people/food appear. Little old ladies, five year old kids, and everybody in between hauls in the poor confused fish as fast as they can cast a hook. The fish bite worms, flies, marshmallows, spoons, chunks of rubber or plastic, you name it. Among the highly effective products is "Power Bait", formulated to smell and taste exactly like the stuff the fish were trained to eat at the hatchery. People walk around bragging about taking a "limit" of little 6-8 inch fish. The upside is that it introduces a lot of people to fishing, and kids in particular need to actually catch a fish in the first outing or two or they are likely to lose enthusiasm for it. I know of serious fishermen who deliberately *avoid* the annual madness and look for more challenging conditions. The feeding operation is a good observation. There didn't seem to be any empathy expressed by the people for the deer, just training them to depend on people for food. Send the rough tough hunter out into the woods in his BMW SUV- but forget about the "deer call". Tell him to start a fire, cook some bacon, and make a noise like a sandwich. The highly conditioned "game" will walk up to within a couple of feet looking for a handout. Even a once-a-year hunter will have a tough time missing from 4-6 feet away. |
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On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 09:54:58 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote: On Sep 5, 8:34?am, tsi-yu wrote: They are all semi tame. Not much sport in shooting caged bambis. Make that BAM(!)-bye. More and more people can live a lifetime without actually encountering any wildlife. Chuck, how is it you can go through life being so correct all the time? http://www.hsus.org/wildlife/urban_w...ild_neighbors/ http://www.hsus.org/wildlife/wildlif...y_program.html http://tinyurl.com/3bqoa4 http://www.enviroliteracy.org/article.php/603.html http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/backyard/ It's like the hatchery-trout fishery they have every spring up this way. They spend $millions breeding trout in state hatcheries, where for a year or two the fish are taught to associate people with food. Even a fish (one of the dumbest animals around) eventually learns that responding to a certain stimulus (the presence of people) by eating anything the people throw into the pond will result in high times and easy livin'. They stuff these trained fish into tanker trucks and will dump thousands upon thousands of them into a variety of lakes -many of which are *not* really suitable trout habitat). Opening Day of fishing season comes around, and it's elbow-to-elbow along the shorelines of these recently stocked lakes. The Game Department usually opens the season on a Sunday, so some of the fish haven't been fed for several days prior and they sign the piscatoral version of the Hallelujah Chorus when people/food appear. Little old ladies, five year old kids, and everybody in between hauls in the poor confused fish as fast as they can cast a hook. The fish bite worms, flies, marshmallows, spoons, chunks of rubber or plastic, you name it. Among the highly effective products is "Power Bait", formulated to smell and taste exactly like the stuff the fish were trained to eat at the hatchery. People walk around bragging about taking a "limit" of little 6-8 inch fish. The upside is that it introduces a lot of people to fishing, and kids in particular need to actually catch a fish in the first outing or two or they are likely to lose enthusiasm for it. I know of serious fishermen who deliberately *avoid* the annual madness and look for more challenging conditions. Um....never mind. The feeding operation is a good observation. There didn't seem to be any empathy expressed by the people for the deer, just training them to depend on people for food. Send the rough tough hunter out into the woods in his BMW SUV- but forget about the "deer call". Tell him to start a fire, cook some bacon, and make a noise like a sandwich. The highly conditioned "game" will walk up to within a couple of feet looking for a handout. Even a once-a-year hunter will have a tough time missing from 4-6 feet away. Um...well....er... Back here, it's a little harder. Maybe it's because our deer aren't trained. You aren't a deer trainer by any chance are you? Sure sound familar with the process. |
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On Sep 5, 12:54 pm, Chuck Gould wrote:
On Sep 5, 8:34?am, tsi-yu wrote: They are all semi tame. Not much sport in shooting caged bambis. Make that BAM(!)-bye. More and more people can live a lifetime without actually encountering any wildlife. On this coast, more and more wild animals are coming back. I never saw hawks in groups of dozen or coyotes and even bears and lot's of other animals and I spent a lot of time in the woods and fields as a kid. Now, coyotes are quite common all over the state of CT, I have been face to face by the lake. Bears in in NW CT, and even Fisher Cats, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisher_(animal) in the east are making a comback. Deer, and wild turkeys by the score, are not uncommon in Essex, although I have not seen signs of Fox since I have been up north, but I am sure they are still around. I beleive hunting bans are hurting, not helping in many cases. And I do not hunt. gut, clean, eat, sure, just don't ask me to shoot it;) |
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oups.com... On Sep 5, 12:54 pm, Chuck Gould wrote: On Sep 5, 8:34?am, tsi-yu wrote: They are all semi tame. Not much sport in shooting caged bambis. Make that BAM(!)-bye. More and more people can live a lifetime without actually encountering any wildlife. On this coast, more and more wild animals are coming back. I never saw hawks in groups of dozen or coyotes and even bears and lot's of other animals and I spent a lot of time in the woods and fields as a kid. Now, coyotes are quite common all over the state of CT, I have been face to face by the lake. Bears in in NW CT, and even Fisher Cats, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisher_(animal) in the east are making a comback. Deer, and wild turkeys by the score, are not uncommon in Essex, although I have not seen signs of Fox since I have been up north, but I am sure they are still around. I beleive hunting bans are hurting, not helping in many cases. And I do not hunt. gut, clean, eat, sure, just don't ask me to shoot it;) I'm apparently running a zoo here. I've got two coyotes, a huge fox and two small ones, a skunk and some babies, a dozen deer, and a few turkeys (not counting my neighbor across the street who's always trying to kill himself with his extension ladder). I'm happy to have the skunks. I understand they're fond of grubs, and better mousers than cats, something I witnessed for the first time last week. Normally, they poke around the lawn at night, moving maybe an inch every 30 seconds. But one night, I stepped out onto the porch and a skunk came jetting out of nowhere, into the groundcover two feet from the porch. I've never seen a skunk move that fast - like a cat. I just stood real still until it left. |
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On Sep 5, 3:27 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... On Sep 5, 12:54 pm, Chuck Gould wrote: On Sep 5, 8:34?am, tsi-yu wrote: They are all semi tame. Not much sport in shooting caged bambis. Make that BAM(!)-bye. More and more people can live a lifetime without actually encountering any wildlife. On this coast, more and more wild animals are coming back. I never saw hawks in groups of dozen or coyotes and even bears and lot's of other animals and I spent a lot of time in the woods and fields as a kid. Now, coyotes are quite common all over the state of CT, I have been face to face by the lake. Bears in in NW CT, and even Fisher Cats, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisher_(animal) in the east are making a comback. Deer, and wild turkeys by the score, are not uncommon in Essex, although I have not seen signs of Fox since I have been up north, but I am sure they are still around. I beleive hunting bans are hurting, not helping in many cases. And I do not hunt. gut, clean, eat, sure, just don't ask me to shoot it;) I'm apparently running a zoo here. I've got two coyotes, a huge fox and two small ones, a skunk and some babies, a dozen deer, and a few turkeys (not counting my neighbor across the street who's always trying to kill himself with his extension ladder). I'm happy to have the skunks. I understand they're fond of grubs, and better mousers than cats, something I witnessed for the first time last week. Normally, they poke around the lawn at night, moving maybe an inch every 30 seconds. But one night, I stepped out onto the porch and a skunk came jetting out of nowhere, into the groundcover two feet from the porch. I've never seen a skunk move that fast - like a cat. I just stood real still until it left.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, well a frekin' skunk got my dog one day and before we knew the dog came in the house, what a frekin' mess as she sneased and rolled all over the place. This however was some kind of nulear skunk, it smelled like burnt rubber more than any other skunk I had ever smelled in my life and I an not usually that adverse to the smell of good skunk, but that's another story, this was different, and just hurt your nose. It took us weeks to get the smell out of everything, the stove, carpet, my old pipe, evrything was tainted. A few weeks later we heard squealing of brakes and as we looked outside we noticed our "friend" was now road kill. Send us to hell, but as a family we all stood at the window and cheered;) I don't care how many grubs they eat. You can have em'. |
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ps.com... On Sep 5, 3:27 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... On Sep 5, 12:54 pm, Chuck Gould wrote: On Sep 5, 8:34?am, tsi-yu wrote: They are all semi tame. Not much sport in shooting caged bambis. Make that BAM(!)-bye. More and more people can live a lifetime without actually encountering any wildlife. On this coast, more and more wild animals are coming back. I never saw hawks in groups of dozen or coyotes and even bears and lot's of other animals and I spent a lot of time in the woods and fields as a kid. Now, coyotes are quite common all over the state of CT, I have been face to face by the lake. Bears in in NW CT, and even Fisher Cats, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisher_(animal) in the east are making a comback. Deer, and wild turkeys by the score, are not uncommon in Essex, although I have not seen signs of Fox since I have been up north, but I am sure they are still around. I beleive hunting bans are hurting, not helping in many cases. And I do not hunt. gut, clean, eat, sure, just don't ask me to shoot it;) I'm apparently running a zoo here. I've got two coyotes, a huge fox and two small ones, a skunk and some babies, a dozen deer, and a few turkeys (not counting my neighbor across the street who's always trying to kill himself with his extension ladder). I'm happy to have the skunks. I understand they're fond of grubs, and better mousers than cats, something I witnessed for the first time last week. Normally, they poke around the lawn at night, moving maybe an inch every 30 seconds. But one night, I stepped out onto the porch and a skunk came jetting out of nowhere, into the groundcover two feet from the porch. I've never seen a skunk move that fast - like a cat. I just stood real still until it left.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, well a frekin' skunk got my dog one day and before we knew the dog came in the house, what a frekin' mess as she sneased and rolled all over the place. This however was some kind of nulear skunk, it smelled like burnt rubber more than any other skunk I had ever smelled in my life and I an not usually that adverse to the smell of good skunk, but that's another story, this was different, and just hurt your nose. It took us weeks to get the smell out of everything, the stove, carpet, my old pipe, evrything was tainted. A few weeks later we heard squealing of brakes and as we looked outside we noticed our "friend" was now road kill. Send us to hell, but as a family we all stood at the window and cheered;) I don't care how many grubs they eat. You can have em'. As always, the dog was the problem. |
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On Sep 5, 3:38 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
wrote in message ps.com... On Sep 5, 3:27 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message groups.com... On Sep 5, 12:54 pm, Chuck Gould wrote: On Sep 5, 8:34?am, tsi-yu wrote: They are all semi tame. Not much sport in shooting caged bambis. Make that BAM(!)-bye. More and more people can live a lifetime without actually encountering any wildlife. On this coast, more and more wild animals are coming back. I never saw hawks in groups of dozen or coyotes and even bears and lot's of other animals and I spent a lot of time in the woods and fields as a kid. Now, coyotes are quite common all over the state of CT, I have been face to face by the lake. Bears in in NW CT, and even Fisher Cats, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisher_(animal) in the east are making a comback. Deer, and wild turkeys by the score, are not uncommon in Essex, although I have not seen signs of Fox since I have been up north, but I am sure they are still around. I beleive hunting bans are hurting, not helping in many cases. And I do not hunt. gut, clean, eat, sure, just don't ask me to shoot it;) I'm apparently running a zoo here. I've got two coyotes, a huge fox and two small ones, a skunk and some babies, a dozen deer, and a few turkeys (not counting my neighbor across the street who's always trying to kill himself with his extension ladder). I'm happy to have the skunks. I understand they're fond of grubs, and better mousers than cats, something I witnessed for the first time last week. Normally, they poke around the lawn at night, moving maybe an inch every 30 seconds. But one night, I stepped out onto the porch and a skunk came jetting out of nowhere, into the groundcover two feet from the porch. I've never seen a skunk move that fast - like a cat. I just stood real still until it left.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, well a frekin' skunk got my dog one day and before we knew the dog came in the house, what a frekin' mess as she sneased and rolled all over the place. This however was some kind of nulear skunk, it smelled like burnt rubber more than any other skunk I had ever smelled in my life and I an not usually that adverse to the smell of good skunk, but that's another story, this was different, and just hurt your nose. It took us weeks to get the smell out of everything, the stove, carpet, my old pipe, evrything was tainted. A few weeks later we heard squealing of brakes and as we looked outside we noticed our "friend" was now road kill. Send us to hell, but as a family we all stood at the window and cheered;) I don't care how many grubs they eat. You can have em'. As always, the dog was the problem.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - As always, my dog was doing exactly what I told it to do. Which in this case was go outside for a potty. So apparently it was my fault, so be it. I won anyway, guess there is really no justice when it comes to skunks;) They should talk to my kid, I am sure she can find a lobby group to represent them:( |
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On Sep 5, 11:59?am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 09:54:58 -0700, Chuck Gould wrote: On Sep 5, 8:34?am, tsi-yu wrote: They are all semi tame. Not much sport in shooting caged bambis. Make that BAM(!)-bye. More and more people can live a lifetime without actually encountering any wildlife. Chuck, how is it you can go through life being so correct all the time? http://www.hsus.org/wildlife/urban_w...ild_neighbors/ http://www.hsus.org/wildlife/wildlif...ction_programs... http://tinyurl.com/3bqoa4 http://www.enviroliteracy.org/article.php/603.html http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/backyard/ Hang on to your hat, Tom. Low flying point just went overhead. :-) I draw a distinction between urban deer, coyotes, raccoons, possums, bears, cougars and other animals that have adapted to life in suburbia, or even the central cities, and their cousins living with little or no human contact. In my opinion, an animal that has lost the natural fear of human beings is no longer "wild", and therefore doesn't behave in the same instinctive manner that actual "wildlife" would. Most people consider a bear, for instance, an example of "wildlife". But if you put that bear in a circus, in my opinion, it's now a circus bear and no longer wildlife. I'm not sure it makes a lot of sense to round up urban deer, etc, and try to relocate them into some remote wilderness. I suspect that the tame deer would have some difficulty finding food, eluding predators, etc. Don't know, not an expert on deer or etc. But that doesn't prevent me from holding an opinion that forest animals that move into urban areas aren't really "wildlife" anymore. I appreciate that you may hold a different opinion and that's great- the purpose of a forum is to share ideas and opinions. It's like the hatchery-trout fishery they have every spring up this way. They spend $millions breeding trout in state hatcheries, where for a year or two the fish are taught to associate people with food. Even a fish (one of the dumbest animals around) eventually learns that responding to a certain stimulus (the presence of people) by eating anything the people throw into the pond will result in high times and easy livin'. They stuff these trained fish into tanker trucks and will dump thousands upon thousands of them into a variety of lakes -many of which are *not* really suitable trout habitat). Opening Day of fishing season comes around, and it's elbow-to-elbow along the shorelines of these recently stocked lakes. The Game Department usually opens the season on a Sunday, so some of the fish haven't been fed for several days prior and they sign the piscatoral version of the Hallelujah Chorus when people/food appear. Little old ladies, five year old kids, and everybody in between hauls in the poor confused fish as fast as they can cast a hook. The fish bite worms, flies, marshmallows, spoons, chunks of rubber or plastic, you name it. Among the highly effective products is "Power Bait", formulated to smell and taste exactly like the stuff the fish were trained to eat at the hatchery. People walk around bragging about taking a "limit" of little 6-8 inch fish. The upside is that it introduces a lot of people to fishing, and kids in particular need to actually catch a fish in the first outing or two or they are likely to lose enthusiasm for it. I know of serious fishermen who deliberately *avoid* the annual madness and look for more challenging conditions. Um....never mind. You're both an avid fisherman and a staunch conservationist. It would be interesting to read about your perspective of stocked-pond hatchery fishing. It might be different than mine. The feeding operation is a good observation. There didn't seem to be any empathy expressed by the people for the deer, just training them to depend on people for food. Send the rough tough hunter out into the woods in his BMW SUV- but forget about the "deer call". Tell him to start a fire, cook some bacon, and make a noise like a sandwich. The highly conditioned "game" will walk up to within a couple of feet looking for a handout. Even a once-a-year hunter will have a tough time missing from 4-6 feet away. Um...well....er... Back here, it's a little harder. Maybe it's because our deer aren't trained. You aren't a deer trainer by any chance are you? Sure sound familar with the process- The "trained" deer I run into are up in the San Juan Islands. Despite dozens of signs reading "Please Don't Feed the Deer!" a lot of people do. It's to the point where the deer come running down to the dinghy dock everytime somebody rows in from anchor, and they will walk up to within less than a foot of a person and stand there expectantly waiting for food. Once did feed a few deer at a resort marina. We were having a picnic with some friends and the herd of resident deer wandered over to stick their noses into the food. One animal ate right off my wife's plate when she wasn't paying attention. We tried to show them away, but they wouldn't go as long as there was food available. In the end, we fed them some carrot sticks to distract them from the food on the table and our plates. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 09:54:58 -0700, Chuck Gould wrote: On Sep 5, 8:34?am, tsi-yu wrote: They are all semi tame. Not much sport in shooting caged bambis. Make that BAM(!)-bye. More and more people can live a lifetime without actually encountering any wildlife. Chuck, how is it you can go through life being so correct all the time? http://www.hsus.org/wildlife/urban_w...ild_neighbors/ http://www.hsus.org/wildlife/wildlif...y_program.html http://tinyurl.com/3bqoa4 http://www.enviroliteracy.org/article.php/603.html http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/backyard/ It's like the hatchery-trout fishery they have every spring up this way. They spend $millions breeding trout in state hatcheries, where for a year or two the fish are taught to associate people with food. Even a fish (one of the dumbest animals around) eventually learns that responding to a certain stimulus (the presence of people) by eating anything the people throw into the pond will result in high times and easy livin'. They stuff these trained fish into tanker trucks and will dump thousands upon thousands of them into a variety of lakes -many of which are *not* really suitable trout habitat). Opening Day of fishing season comes around, and it's elbow-to-elbow along the shorelines of these recently stocked lakes. The Game Department usually opens the season on a Sunday, so some of the fish haven't been fed for several days prior and they sign the piscatoral version of the Hallelujah Chorus when people/food appear. Little old ladies, five year old kids, and everybody in between hauls in the poor confused fish as fast as they can cast a hook. The fish bite worms, flies, marshmallows, spoons, chunks of rubber or plastic, you name it. Among the highly effective products is "Power Bait", formulated to smell and taste exactly like the stuff the fish were trained to eat at the hatchery. People walk around bragging about taking a "limit" of little 6-8 inch fish. The upside is that it introduces a lot of people to fishing, and kids in particular need to actually catch a fish in the first outing or two or they are likely to lose enthusiasm for it. I know of serious fishermen who deliberately *avoid* the annual madness and look for more challenging conditions. Um....never mind. The feeding operation is a good observation. There didn't seem to be any empathy expressed by the people for the deer, just training them to depend on people for food. Send the rough tough hunter out into the woods in his BMW SUV- but forget about the "deer call". Tell him to start a fire, cook some bacon, and make a noise like a sandwich. The highly conditioned "game" will walk up to within a couple of feet looking for a handout. Even a once-a-year hunter will have a tough time missing from 4-6 feet away. Um...well....er... Back here, it's a little harder. Maybe it's because our deer aren't trained. You aren't a deer trainer by any chance are you? Sure sound familar with the process. Here, at least 5 blocks from open land, Bambi's daddy shows up and eats the hibiscus on the front porch. Wife would almost let pop a deer under those circumstances. |
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On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:43:10 -0000, wrote:
On Sep 5, 3:38 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message ps.com... On Sep 5, 3:27 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message groups.com... On Sep 5, 12:54 pm, Chuck Gould wrote: On Sep 5, 8:34?am, tsi-yu wrote: They are all semi tame. Not much sport in shooting caged bambis. Make that BAM(!)-bye. More and more people can live a lifetime without actually encountering any wildlife. On this coast, more and more wild animals are coming back. I never saw hawks in groups of dozen or coyotes and even bears and lot's of other animals and I spent a lot of time in the woods and fields as a kid. Now, coyotes are quite common all over the state of CT, I have been face to face by the lake. Bears in in NW CT, and even Fisher Cats, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisher_(animal) in the east are making a comback. Deer, and wild turkeys by the score, are not uncommon in Essex, although I have not seen signs of Fox since I have been up north, but I am sure they are still around. I beleive hunting bans are hurting, not helping in many cases. And I do not hunt. gut, clean, eat, sure, just don't ask me to shoot it;) I'm apparently running a zoo here. I've got two coyotes, a huge fox and two small ones, a skunk and some babies, a dozen deer, and a few turkeys (not counting my neighbor across the street who's always trying to kill himself with his extension ladder). I'm happy to have the skunks. I understand they're fond of grubs, and better mousers than cats, something I witnessed for the first time last week. Normally, they poke around the lawn at night, moving maybe an inch every 30 seconds. But one night, I stepped out onto the porch and a skunk came jetting out of nowhere, into the groundcover two feet from the porch. I've never seen a skunk move that fast - like a cat. I just stood real still until it left.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, well a frekin' skunk got my dog one day and before we knew the dog came in the house, what a frekin' mess as she sneased and rolled all over the place. This however was some kind of nulear skunk, it smelled like burnt rubber more than any other skunk I had ever smelled in my life and I an not usually that adverse to the smell of good skunk, but that's another story, this was different, and just hurt your nose. It took us weeks to get the smell out of everything, the stove, carpet, my old pipe, evrything was tainted. A few weeks later we heard squealing of brakes and as we looked outside we noticed our "friend" was now road kill. Send us to hell, but as a family we all stood at the window and cheered;) I don't care how many grubs they eat. You can have em'. As always, the dog was the problem.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - As always, my dog was doing exactly what I told it to do. Which in this case was go outside for a potty. So apparently it was my fault, so be it. I won anyway, guess there is really no justice when it comes to skunks;) They should talk to my kid, I am sure she can find a lobby group to represent them:( Skunks make nice pets. I had one as a kid. It wasn't descented. It got out of its cage (a room in the barn) and got on the neighbor's back porch. The neighbor opened the porch door and scared the poor skunk (Blackie was its name.) Blackie opened fire. The neighbor called my dad. I did some heavy begging and got another chance. So did the skunk. Within a few days, the neighbor called again. Yup, skunk had opened fire again. This time all my begging did no good. Dad shot the skunk. When skunks get shot, everything inside comes outside. I got to clean up the mess and bury Blackie. Sad day. Luckily I caught a baby pigeon within a few days and cheered up. That's another story... |
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JimH wrote:
People who feed these creatures are idiots. If they cannot find enough food on their own and die of starvation then nature moved in to thin the herd her way. Wildlife experts say that anyone who feeds any wildlife are idiots and/or so self centered that the don't care what damage they do to wildlife so long as they get to see bambi or some other cute creatures. |
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On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 17:35:27 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:
wrote in message .. . On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 09:27:17 -0400, HK wrote: http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=67160&fr=yvmtf This ought to rile up the mindless inlanders. Deer are just 150 pound rats, fine in their natural setting but a nuisance when the natural predators are removed or in an urban setting. I have seen deer doing just fine in DC, right downtown eating the flowers on the elipse. We have a deer problem in our area due to new developments taking over their turf. We regularly have a herd of 9-11 deer cross from our woods in the backyard, to our front then to the other set of woods down the street. I have asked the mayor to do something (thinning the herd with sharpshooters) about the problem yet nothing. People who feed these creatures are idiots. If they cannot find enough food on their own and die of starvation then nature moved in to thin the herd her way. You're calling some folks here names. Not nice. |
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On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 12:49:42 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote: I'm not sure it makes a lot of sense to round up urban deer, etc, and try to relocate them into some remote wilderness. I suspect that the tame deer would have some difficulty finding food, eluding predators, etc. Don't know, not an expert on deer or etc. Other than Harry I don't know anyone who feeds deer in their backyard. They are interesting to watch but almost everyone regards them as an extreme pest. Deer eat expensive shrubbery and vegetable gardens. They wreck cars and propagate deer ticks. They're nice to look at but not very good neighbors. |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 12:49:42 -0700, Chuck Gould wrote: I'm not sure it makes a lot of sense to round up urban deer, etc, and try to relocate them into some remote wilderness. I suspect that the tame deer would have some difficulty finding food, eluding predators, etc. Don't know, not an expert on deer or etc. Other than Harry I don't know anyone who feeds deer in their backyard. They are interesting to watch but almost everyone regards them as an extreme pest. Deer eat expensive shrubbery and vegetable gardens. They wreck cars and propagate deer ticks. They're nice to look at but not very good neighbors. Some of us have a bit of compassion towards the critters whose habitat we are destroying. Now, if they were Republicans, hell, let them eat cake. |
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On Sep 5, 3:54 pm, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:43:10 -0000, wrote: On Sep 5, 3:38 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... On Sep 5, 3:27 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message groups.com... On Sep 5, 12:54 pm, Chuck Gould wrote: On Sep 5, 8:34?am, tsi-yu wrote: They are all semi tame. Not much sport in shooting caged bambis. Make that BAM(!)-bye. More and more people can live a lifetime without actually encountering any wildlife. On this coast, more and more wild animals are coming back. I never saw hawks in groups of dozen or coyotes and even bears and lot's of other animals and I spent a lot of time in the woods and fields as a kid. Now, coyotes are quite common all over the state of CT, I have been face to face by the lake. Bears in in NW CT, and even Fisher Cats, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisher_(animal) in the east are making a comback. Deer, and wild turkeys by the score, are not uncommon in Essex, although I have not seen signs of Fox since I have been up north, but I am sure they are still around. I beleive hunting bans are hurting, not helping in many cases. And I do not hunt. gut, clean, eat, sure, just don't ask me to shoot it;) I'm apparently running a zoo here. I've got two coyotes, a huge fox and two small ones, a skunk and some babies, a dozen deer, and a few turkeys (not counting my neighbor across the street who's always trying to kill himself with his extension ladder). I'm happy to have the skunks. I understand they're fond of grubs, and better mousers than cats, something I witnessed for the first time last week. Normally, they poke around the lawn at night, moving maybe an inch every 30 seconds. But one night, I stepped out onto the porch and a skunk came jetting out of nowhere, into the groundcover two feet from the porch. I've never seen a skunk move that fast - like a cat. I just stood real still until it left.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, well a frekin' skunk got my dog one day and before we knew the dog came in the house, what a frekin' mess as she sneased and rolled all over the place. This however was some kind of nulear skunk, it smelled like burnt rubber more than any other skunk I had ever smelled in my life and I an not usually that adverse to the smell of good skunk, but that's another story, this was different, and just hurt your nose. It took us weeks to get the smell out of everything, the stove, carpet, my old pipe, evrything was tainted. A few weeks later we heard squealing of brakes and as we looked outside we noticed our "friend" was now road kill. Send us to hell, but as a family we all stood at the window and cheered;) I don't care how many grubs they eat. You can have em'. As always, the dog was the problem.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - As always, my dog was doing exactly what I told it to do. Which in this case was go outside for a potty. So apparently it was my fault, so be it. I won anyway, guess there is really no justice when it comes to skunks;) They should talk to my kid, I am sure she can find a lobby group to represent them:( Skunks make nice pets. I had one as a kid. It wasn't descented. It got out of its cage (a room in the barn) and got on the neighbor's back porch. The neighbor opened the porch door and scared the poor skunk (Blackie was its name.) Blackie opened fire. The neighbor called my dad. I did some heavy begging and got another chance. So did the skunk. Within a few days, the neighbor called again. Yup, skunk had opened fire again. This time all my begging did no good. Dad shot the skunk. When skunks get shot, everything inside comes outside. I got to clean up the mess and bury Blackie. Sad day. Luckily I caught a baby pigeon within a few days and cheered up. That's another story...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Some people feed them, some people are fed by them. I'd jsut as soon eat one than have it fly though my windshield. |
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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: People who feed these creatures are idiots. If they cannot find enough food on their own and die of starvation then nature moved in to thin the herd her way. Wildlife experts say that anyone who feeds any wildlife are idiots and/or so self centered that the don't care what damage they do to wildlife so long as they get to see bambi or some other cute creatures. we are seeing less and less Bambi's in California. Since the eco-nuts have protected the mountain lion, they have done what cats have always done. Make lots more cats. Now they run out of deer to eat, and take out pets and a few hikers. We have endangered Desert Big Horn sheep. Most every fatality of the decreaseing numbers is caused by mountain lions. Which are not that rare here. |
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On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 22:38:57 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote: we are seeing less and less Bambi's in California. Since the eco-nuts have protected the mountain lion, they have done what cats have always done. Make lots more cats. Now they run out of deer to eat, and take out pets and a few hikers. We have endangered Desert Big Horn sheep. Most every fatality of the decreaseing numbers is caused by mountain lions. Which are not that rare here. That's interesting, because we're seeing the opposite effect here. The deer herd in CT is higher than it was 50 years ago and in the last 10 years it's expoloded - consider that in 1970 it was 20,000 head. 2000 it was close to 135.000 and estimates that it could go as high as 175,000 by 2010 were wrong - they reached that mark last year. Natural predation is present from coyotes to small feral dog/coyote hybrids and recently, there have been cougar and large bobcat spoor in the area and in other areas of the state. Their impact is small however and the herd keeps growing. Last year was the first open season on doe and there's talk of another open season on doe this year. With all due respect to Harry, feeding the deer is a incredibly ignorant thing to do. Quite beyond taking them to relate to humanity, there is the danger of bacterial infection to humans from exposure to deer hemorrhagic disease. Not to mention Lyme Disease. Not a smart thing to do. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 22:38:57 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: we are seeing less and less Bambi's in California. Since the eco-nuts have protected the mountain lion, they have done what cats have always done. Make lots more cats. Now they run out of deer to eat, and take out pets and a few hikers. We have endangered Desert Big Horn sheep. Most every fatality of the decreaseing numbers is caused by mountain lions. Which are not that rare here. That's interesting, because we're seeing the opposite effect here. The deer herd in CT is higher than it was 50 years ago and in the last 10 years it's expoloded - consider that in 1970 it was 20,000 head. 2000 it was close to 135.000 and estimates that it could go as high as 175,000 by 2010 were wrong - they reached that mark last year. Natural predation is present from coyotes to small feral dog/coyote hybrids and recently, there have been cougar and large bobcat spoor in the area and in other areas of the state. Their impact is small however and the herd keeps growing. Last year was the first open season on doe and there's talk of another open season on doe this year. With all due respect to Harry, feeding the deer is a incredibly ignorant thing to do. Quite beyond taking them to relate to humanity, there is the danger of bacterial infection to humans from exposure to deer hemorrhagic disease. Not to mention Lyme Disease. Not a smart thing to do. We had a choice...feed the homeless deer or feed the homeless Republicans. We made the right choice. |
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On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:38:57 -0700, Calif Bill wrote:
we are seeing less and less Bambi's in California. Since the eco-nuts have protected the mountain lion, they have done what cats have always done. Make lots more cats. Now they run out of deer to eat, and take out pets and a few hikers. We have endangered Desert Big Horn sheep. Most every fatality of the decreaseing numbers is caused by mountain lions. Which are not that rare here. All the bureaucracies keep denying, but I've been reading of quite a few sightings of mountain lions east of the Mississippi. Except for the Florida Panther, mountain lions are supposed to be extirpated in the east, but I'm starting to doubt it. |
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On Sep 6, 6:51 am, thunder wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:38:57 -0700, Calif Bill wrote: we are seeing less and less Bambi's in California. Since the eco-nuts have protected the mountain lion, they have done what cats have always done. Make lots more cats. Now they run out of deer to eat, and take out pets and a few hikers. We have endangered Desert Big Horn sheep. Most every fatality of the decreaseing numbers is caused by mountain lions. Which are not that rare here. All the bureaucracies keep denying, but I've been reading of quite a few sightings of mountain lions east of the Mississippi. Except for the Florida Panther, mountain lions are supposed to be extirpated in the east, but I'm starting to doubt it. Our local law enforcement was in denial about the coyotes for almost a decade until one of their wives ended up face to face with one. The the CT DEP decided to admit to the growing population, and everyone kind of sighed and moved on. We all knew they were here a decade before the rangers... |
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HK wrote:
Some of us have a bit of compassion towards the critters whose habitat we are destroying. Now, if they were Republicans, hell, let them eat cake. Harry Krause, Anyone who really has compassion would never feed any wildlife. You have seen all of the posts where the experts review how you are actually hurting the wildlife by feeding them anything, yet you believe you should be able to do it so you and your wife can look and photograph the pretty animals, and can pretend you are doing this because you have compassion. while I know you are too self centered to make any changes that would actually be helpful to the wildlife, here is a short article by the Oregon State University conserving feeding wildlife in your backyard. http://extension.oregonstate.edu/new...oryType=garden Many people feed deer, raccoons and other suburban wildlife, thinking they are helping these animals out by providing food. Don't feed the wildlife in your yard, say wildlife biologists, including Oregon State University professor Dan Edge, and Jeff Picton, director of the Chintimini Wildlife Rehabilitation Center in Corvallis. Providing food for wild animals is not a good idea because: Supplemental feeding encourages wildlife to become dependent on handouts that are not a part of their natural diets. Juvenile animals become used to depending on humans and may never develop normal foraging behavior. They could starve if the artificial food sources are removed. Human foods are usually nutritionally inadequate for wildlife and may lead to health problems. Wildlife may lose their fear of humans and pets, leading to unfortunate encounters with aggressive pets and humans. Wild animals being fed supplementally may congregate in unnaturally high numbers, increasing the chances of disease transmission. To discourage wild animals from foraging near your house, Edge and Picton recommend that homeowners keep garbage cans tightly shut. Rinse cans and bottles for recycling thoroughly before putting them out for curbside pick up. Keep your compost pile fenced from animals. This may not keep all animals (such as rodents) out, but it will help. Or used a closed compost container. Feed your pets indoors, or take outdoor food bowls in at night. Put livestock and poultry in pens at night. |
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thunder wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:38:57 -0700, Calif Bill wrote: we are seeing less and less Bambi's in California. Since the eco-nuts have protected the mountain lion, they have done what cats have always done. Make lots more cats. Now they run out of deer to eat, and take out pets and a few hikers. We have endangered Desert Big Horn sheep. Most every fatality of the decreaseing numbers is caused by mountain lions. Which are not that rare here. All the bureaucracies keep denying, but I've been reading of quite a few sightings of mountain lions east of the Mississippi. Except for the Florida Panther, mountain lions are supposed to be extirpated in the east, but I'm starting to doubt it. It's nature's way of taking care of overpopulation by humans. |
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On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 10:51:40 -0000, thunder
wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:38:57 -0700, Calif Bill wrote: we are seeing less and less Bambi's in California. Since the eco-nuts have protected the mountain lion, they have done what cats have always done. Make lots more cats. Now they run out of deer to eat, and take out pets and a few hikers. We have endangered Desert Big Horn sheep. Most every fatality of the decreaseing numbers is caused by mountain lions. Which are not that rare here. All the bureaucracies keep denying, but I've been reading of quite a few sightings of mountain lions east of the Mississippi. Except for the Florida Panther, mountain lions are supposed to be extirpated in the east, but I'm starting to doubt it. Don't EVEN get me started on that. Ooops - to late. :) Three years ago when I still had Duke Dogge Dog, I got a call from TK up the street asking me to bring my M1 carbine up because he had a big cat in his heifer pen. I said you mean bobcat, and he said no - mountain lion. Uh uh... So I grabbed the gun, put Duke in the truck and we took off. Got to the house and TK was there pointing towards the pen. I was hundred yards off, grabbed my binoculars and sure as hell, mountain lion toying with a heifer in the corner of the pen. By the time I loaded the M1, the thing took off into the woods heading towards my pond. Duke got a good sniff of the spoor and we started tracking it. Found some paw prints in the mud by my pond - definetly a large cat and it weren't no bobcat. Lost it in the woods behind the airport about a mile from where we started along the Pomfret line. So as we were walking back, I heard a scream - big cat. I know what one sounds like because I've had an up close and personal encounter with one in Idaho - this one was PO'd. It was off to the Northwest of where we were, but close, so we started in that direction. After a couple of miles of hiking, we found cat spoor and a deer drag. Ain't no bobcat going to be doing that. Found the deer which had a big chunk out of it, cat spoor all over the place - no cat. So after getting back, called DEP. Gave them the whole story, TK had some blurry images of the cat in the pen - they told me it was a big bobcat. Told me that the eastern mountain lion was extinct and that I was mistaken in my ID. The deer? Feral dogs or coydogs. Two years ago, found another set of tracks and one of the local farmers reported seeing one while haying along a woods line. DEP says no - bobcat. Last year, seventeen reports of a big cat (and cats in several reports that I know of) being spotted in the immediate area - nope, bobcats. Show them pictures of the spoor - nope bobcats. Sent the pictures to the Smithsonian for ID - mountain lion. DEP - nope, bobcats. They absoutely refuse to believe that there are mountain lions in the area even with direct evidence from experienced outdoorsmen. They won't support any research or even tracking. Before Duke died, I offered to bring him anywhere they had a report to track and ID, nope - not interested. One of Mrs. Waves's colleagues has a brother-in-law who is a professional tracker from Wyoming and he's said mountain lion. Nope - bobcat. I don't know what their problems is, but when it takes a kid or small child, I'm not going to say I told you so. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
... On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 10:51:40 -0000, thunder wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:38:57 -0700, Calif Bill wrote: we are seeing less and less Bambi's in California. Since the eco-nuts have protected the mountain lion, they have done what cats have always done. Make lots more cats. Now they run out of deer to eat, and take out pets and a few hikers. We have endangered Desert Big Horn sheep. Most every fatality of the decreaseing numbers is caused by mountain lions. Which are not that rare here. All the bureaucracies keep denying, but I've been reading of quite a few sightings of mountain lions east of the Mississippi. Except for the Florida Panther, mountain lions are supposed to be extirpated in the east, but I'm starting to doubt it. Don't EVEN get me started on that. Ooops - to late. :) Three years ago when I still had Duke Dogge Dog, I got a call from TK up the street asking me to bring my M1 carbine up because he had a big cat in his heifer pen. I said you mean bobcat, and he said no - mountain lion. Uh uh... We're hearing the same denial from the NY DEC, despite some rather large evidence from experienced trackers. When the occasional hippy tells me I'm paranoid for carrying a gun when I'm hiking into remote fishing areas, I am tempted to pee on their shoes. |
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On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:05:42 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 10:51:40 -0000, thunder wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:38:57 -0700, Calif Bill wrote: we are seeing less and less Bambi's in California. Since the eco-nuts have protected the mountain lion, they have done what cats have always done. Make lots more cats. Now they run out of deer to eat, and take out pets and a few hikers. We have endangered Desert Big Horn sheep. Most every fatality of the decreaseing numbers is caused by mountain lions. Which are not that rare here. All the bureaucracies keep denying, but I've been reading of quite a few sightings of mountain lions east of the Mississippi. Except for the Florida Panther, mountain lions are supposed to be extirpated in the east, but I'm starting to doubt it. Don't EVEN get me started on that. Ooops - to late. :) Three years ago when I still had Duke Dogge Dog, I got a call from TK up the street asking me to bring my M1 carbine up because he had a big cat in his heifer pen. I said you mean bobcat, and he said no - mountain lion. Uh uh... We're hearing the same denial from the NY DEC, despite some rather large evidence from experienced trackers. When the occasional hippy tells me I'm paranoid for carrying a gun when I'm hiking into remote fishing areas, I am tempted to pee on their shoes. You laugh, but State surveyors have started carrying .45 Glocks. And one of the local engineering firms have their surveyors carry 9mm Glocks when they are working in the woods. Nothing to do with mountain lions though. :) Uh uh... |
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