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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:45:42 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:11:53 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:25:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:00:17 -0400, wrote:

The winner was always an old sargent who took his time and shot down
one per round, with a 2" revolver.
I have said for years that the reason is due to 13 round semi-auto
hand guns.

With a revolver, you only have six - makes you concentrate.
One of my favorite gun technique books suggests taking only 6 rounds
to the range, no matter what kind of handgun you're shooting. Good
idea.
All my kids were trained that way. In fact, when my youngest went to
the Academy in SC, he noticed that the more bullets they were issues,
the more the used them.

He took his time, minimum shots and did well.

It's the revolver training.

I have a 9mm Glock, but I never carry it unless I'm in the woods. For
just carrying purposes, it's a .357 mag on a .38 frame.
I wouldn't "carry" a semi without a real safety, either, though I do
like shooting a Glock at the range. Is that a single or double action
.357?
single action hammerless.

Wouldn't want it to get caught on the shirt. :)

Geeez. I'm pretty sure I've never seen a SA hammerless .357 mag. But
there's a lot of pistols I've not seen. If it is hammerless, how do you
cock it?
Oy.

You don't cock it.
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firear...ion&fam lst=9

Thank you.

Intersting Harry has never seen one. They are pretty common.


As I said, the only SA action revolvers I have handled were
"traditional." The photo on the page you reference there seems to be a
DA ruger.

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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:52:12 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Dogs don't work. My brother had dogs on the golf course he managed. The
geese would just fly into the water when the dog came. The dog couldn't
swim fast enough to scare the geese.

You got the wrong trainer. The dog isn't supposed to chase them into
the water.

I work with BCs here in and around golf courses and haven't ever had
that problem.

It's all in how the dogs are trained.

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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:53:22 -0400, HK wrote:

He said it was SA. I don't have that much experience with revolvers, but
all the SA revolvers I have handled required that one cock the hammer
before one could fire the trigger.

Um...no?

Never said it was an SA.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:53:22 -0400, HK wrote:

He said it was SA. I don't have that much experience with revolvers, but
all the SA revolvers I have handled required that one cock the hammer
before one could fire the trigger.

Um...no?

Never said it was an SA.


Yeah, you did.

I wouldn't "carry" a semi without a real safety, either, though I do
like shooting a Glock at the range. Is that a single or double
action .357?




Your response:

"single action hammerless.

Wouldn't want it to get caught on the shirt. :)"

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"HK" wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:45:42 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:11:53 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:25:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:00:17 -0400, wrote:

The winner was always an old sargent who took his time and shot
down
one per round, with a 2" revolver.
I have said for years that the reason is due to 13 round semi-auto
hand guns.

With a revolver, you only have six - makes you concentrate.
One of my favorite gun technique books suggests taking only 6
rounds to the range, no matter what kind of handgun you're
shooting. Good idea.
All my kids were trained that way. In fact, when my youngest went
to
the Academy in SC, he noticed that the more bullets they were
issues,
the more the used them.

He took his time, minimum shots and did well.

It's the revolver training.

I have a 9mm Glock, but I never carry it unless I'm in the woods.
For
just carrying purposes, it's a .357 mag on a .38 frame.
I wouldn't "carry" a semi without a real safety, either, though I do
like shooting a Glock at the range. Is that a single or double action
.357?
single action hammerless.

Wouldn't want it to get caught on the shirt. :)

Geeez. I'm pretty sure I've never seen a SA hammerless .357 mag. But
there's a lot of pistols I've not seen. If it is hammerless, how do you
cock it?
Oy.

You don't cock it.
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firear...ion&fam lst=9

Thank you.

Intersting Harry has never seen one. They are pretty common.


As I said, the only SA action revolvers I have handled were "traditional."
The photo on the page you reference there seems to be a DA ruger.


I think you're losing track of the discussion. You said this:

"Geeez. I'm pretty sure I've never seen a SA hammerless .357 mag. But
there's a lot of pistols I've not seen. If it is hammerless, how do you cock
it?"

OK now? That's what we were responding to. However, to be fair, I ignored
"SA" because it wasn't relevant, compared to "hammerless". Obviously, the
two ideas don't belong together, and "SA" has no relevance to this
discussion.

Oh deer!
 

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:45:42 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:11:53 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:25:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:00:17 -0400, wrote:

The winner was always an old sargent who took his time and shot
down
one per round, with a 2" revolver.
I have said for years that the reason is due to 13 round semi-auto
hand guns.

With a revolver, you only have six - makes you concentrate.
One of my favorite gun technique books suggests taking only 6
rounds to the range, no matter what kind of handgun you're
shooting. Good idea.
All my kids were trained that way. In fact, when my youngest went
to
the Academy in SC, he noticed that the more bullets they were
issues,
the more the used them.

He took his time, minimum shots and did well.

It's the revolver training.

I have a 9mm Glock, but I never carry it unless I'm in the woods.
For
just carrying purposes, it's a .357 mag on a .38 frame.
I wouldn't "carry" a semi without a real safety, either, though I do
like shooting a Glock at the range. Is that a single or double action
.357?
single action hammerless.

Wouldn't want it to get caught on the shirt. :)
Geeez. I'm pretty sure I've never seen a SA hammerless .357 mag. But
there's a lot of pistols I've not seen. If it is hammerless, how do you
cock it?
Oy.

You don't cock it.
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firear...ion&fam lst=9
Thank you.

Intersting Harry has never seen one. They are pretty common.

As I said, the only SA action revolvers I have handled were "traditional."
The photo on the page you reference there seems to be a DA ruger.


I think you're losing track of the discussion. You said this:

"Geeez. I'm pretty sure I've never seen a SA hammerless .357 mag. But
there's a lot of pistols I've not seen. If it is hammerless, how do you cock
it?"

OK now? That's what we were responding to. However, to be fair, I ignored
"SA" because it wasn't relevant, compared to "hammerless". Obviously, the
two ideas don't belong together, and "SA" has no relevance to this
discussion.




It did to me. Tom said he carried a single action hammerless revolver.
I was curious how he cocked it. So there!

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

**snip**

Don't you mean that the other way around? My Highway Patrolman shoots
.38's
but is a .357 magnum frame (and shoots them!).

Nope - just the way I spake it.

I think you need to check again. A .357 will chamber a .38 special, a .38
special CANNOT chamber a .357. The .357 case is quite a bit longer than a
..38.

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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:37:11 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:



The trigger finger *always* points straight forward as the gun is drawn from
the holster. Always. Nobody taught that guy correctly. And, a correctly
designed holster completely encloses the trigger guard.

If I liked everything else about a gun, the presence of a safety wouldn't
keep me from buying it. Another "safety" involves not carrying with a round
in the chamber. With practice, you can work the slide *very* fast without
interrupting things.


Hmmm. You a cop? Nice disguise.

--Vic

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...

**SNIP**

I think you're losing track of the discussion. You said this:

"Geeez. I'm pretty sure I've never seen a SA hammerless .357 mag. But
there's a lot of pistols I've not seen. If it is hammerless, how do you
cock it?"

OK now? That's what we were responding to. However, to be fair, I ignored
"SA" because it wasn't relevant, compared to "hammerless". Obviously, the
two ideas don't belong together, and "SA" has no relevance to this
discussion.

SA = Single Action, the hammer MUST be cocked for each shot (assuming a
revolver), DA = Double Action it can be fired with a pull of the trigger
only or (if it has a hammer) in SA mode to reduce the trigger pull..

Harrys comment was completely relevant. It is the distinction that makes the
difference.

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:37:11 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


The trigger finger *always* points straight forward as the gun is drawn from
the holster. Always. Nobody taught that guy correctly. And, a correctly
designed holster completely encloses the trigger guard.

If I liked everything else about a gun, the presence of a safety wouldn't
keep me from buying it. Another "safety" involves not carrying with a round
in the chamber. With practice, you can work the slide *very* fast without
interrupting things.


Hmmm. You a cop? Nice disguise.

--Vic


Joe isn't wrong. I have a custom molder "hard plastic" holster for my
Sig. When the handgun is in the holster, you simply cannot get a finger
or anything else onto the trigger to pull it, because the trigger guard
is completely covered by the holster.

Here's a photo of my Sig:

http://tinyurl.com/35ebuf


The black lever fully on the frame just below the hammer is the safety.

I'll have to see if I have a photo of the handgun in its Blade-Tech
holster. When it is, you simply do not see the trigger or trigger guard.
They are covered.

I only have a round in the pipe when I am out in the forest where the
feral dogs and bears live. With a round chambered, there's room for 19
additional rounds in the magazine.

If a round is not chambered, I can cycle the slide and get a round in
the pipe as fast as you can blink an eye, or thereabouts.

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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:58:36 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:53:22 -0400, HK wrote:

He said it was SA. I don't have that much experience with revolvers, but
all the SA revolvers I have handled required that one cock the hammer
before one could fire the trigger.

Um...no?

Never said it was an SA.


Yeah, you did.

I wouldn't "carry" a semi without a real safety, either, though I do
like shooting a Glock at the range. Is that a single or double
action .357?




Your response:

"single action hammerless.

Wouldn't want it to get caught on the shirt. :)"

Um...

Whatever.

Oh deer!
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:58:36 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:53:22 -0400, HK wrote:

He said it was SA. I don't have that much experience with revolvers, but
all the SA revolvers I have handled required that one cock the hammer
before one could fire the trigger.
Um...no?

Never said it was an SA.

Yeah, you did.

I wouldn't "carry" a semi without a real safety, either, though I do
like shooting a Glock at the range. Is that a single or double
action .357?




Your response:

"single action hammerless.

Wouldn't want it to get caught on the shirt. :)"

Um...

Whatever.


You are forgiven, but your comment was the reason why I asked how one
cocked a hammerless SA pistol.

Oh deer!
 

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:02:55 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:25:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:00:17 -0400, wrote:

The winner was always an old sargent who took his time and shot down
one per round, with a 2" revolver.

I have said for years that the reason is due to 13 round semi-auto
hand guns.

With a revolver, you only have six - makes you concentrate.

One of my favorite gun technique books suggests taking only 6 rounds to the
range, no matter what kind of handgun you're shooting. Good idea.

All my kids were trained that way. In fact, when my youngest went to
the Academy in SC, he noticed that the more bullets they were issues,
the more the used them.

He took his time, minimum shots and did well.

It's the revolver training.

I have a 9mm Glock, but I never carry it unless I'm in the woods. For
just carrying purposes, it's a .357 mag on a .38 frame.

Don't you mean that the other way around? My Highway Patrolman shoots .38's
but is a .357 magnum frame (and shoots them!).

Oh deer!
 

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:20:05 -0400, HK wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:37:11 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


The trigger finger *always* points straight forward as the gun is drawn from
the holster. Always. Nobody taught that guy correctly. And, a correctly
designed holster completely encloses the trigger guard.

If I liked everything else about a gun, the presence of a safety wouldn't
keep me from buying it. Another "safety" involves not carrying with a round
in the chamber. With practice, you can work the slide *very* fast without
interrupting things.


Hmmm. You a cop? Nice disguise.


Joe isn't wrong. I have a custom molder "hard plastic" holster for my
Sig. When the handgun is in the holster, you simply cannot get a finger
or anything else onto the trigger to pull it, because the trigger guard
is completely covered by the holster.

Oh, I didn't say he was wrong. He just sounded like a Fed from
Quantico or Aberdeen. Pretty damn suspicious to me, that's all.

Here's a photo of my Sig:

http://tinyurl.com/35ebuf

Real purty. I sometimes use them but prefer my M5 with ACP's for the
heavy action. This is when playing SWAT 4, a terrific game.
Did I tell you I live in Morton Grove, IL?
They've outlawed bears, cougars and handguns.

--Vic

Oh deer!
 

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:03:26 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:43:30 -0000, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:26:44 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


There are many public and private lakes (including those run by the C of
E's ) that are now allowing or hiring hunters to kill the Canadian Geese
that are no longer migrating due to people feeding them. These geese
have taken over coves and lakes that would have been a brief stopover on
their migratory path, until people thought it would be cute or helpful
to feed them.

I don't think that's an accurate assessment. Migratory and non-migratory Canada geese are different
subspecies. Branta canadensis maxima being the larger non-migratory goose.

http://www.esatoday.com/arresident.html

Goose dogs are the only way to go.

Why I don't like 'em: "An average 10 pound adult goose will generate its
own body weight in excrement each month !

Excrement entering ponds via storm runoff can cause warm weather algae
blooms. These blooms are unsightly and often treated with algaecides. As
the algae quickly dies, dissolved oxygen may be greatly reduced, stressing
or killing pond fish. "

Dogs don't work. My brother had dogs on the golf course he managed. The
geese would just fly into the water when the dog came. The dog couldn't
swim fast enough to scare the geese.

Then my bro' got a radio controlled boat. They had a blast with that,
chasing the geese all around the water. But, eventually they hit a goose.
Goodbye boat.

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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:13:29 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:50:24 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:46:02 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:02:55 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:25:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
om...
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:00:17 -0400, wrote:

The winner was always an old sargent who took his time and shot down
one per round, with a 2" revolver.

I have said for years that the reason is due to 13 round semi-auto
hand guns.

With a revolver, you only have six - makes you concentrate.

One of my favorite gun technique books suggests taking only 6 rounds to the
range, no matter what kind of handgun you're shooting. Good idea.

All my kids were trained that way. In fact, when my youngest went to
the Academy in SC, he noticed that the more bullets they were issues,
the more the used them.

He took his time, minimum shots and did well.

It's the revolver training.

I have a 9mm Glock, but I never carry it unless I'm in the woods. For
just carrying purposes, it's a .357 mag on a .38 frame.

Don't you mean that the other way around? My Highway Patrolman shoots .38's
but is a .357 magnum frame (and shoots them!).

Nope - just the way I spake it.

Wouldn't a gun with a frame built for .38's be somewhat unsafe with a bunch
of .357 mags going through it?

What part of this is so hard to understand?

The gun is a .357 mag built on a .38 frame.

Ruger SP101

Hello? Anybody home?

You god damned people will agrue about anything.

I'm outa here for a while.

Morons.

Oh deer!
 

Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:20:05 -0400, HK wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:37:11 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


The trigger finger *always* points straight forward as the gun is drawn from
the holster. Always. Nobody taught that guy correctly. And, a correctly
designed holster completely encloses the trigger guard.

If I liked everything else about a gun, the presence of a safety wouldn't
keep me from buying it. Another "safety" involves not carrying with a round
in the chamber. With practice, you can work the slide *very* fast without
interrupting things.

Hmmm. You a cop? Nice disguise.

Joe isn't wrong. I have a custom molder "hard plastic" holster for my
Sig. When the handgun is in the holster, you simply cannot get a finger
or anything else onto the trigger to pull it, because the trigger guard
is completely covered by the holster.

Oh, I didn't say he was wrong. He just sounded like a Fed from
Quantico or Aberdeen. Pretty damn suspicious to me, that's all.

Here's a photo of my Sig:

http://tinyurl.com/35ebuf

Real purty. I sometimes use them but prefer my M5 with ACP's for the
heavy action. This is when playing SWAT 4, a terrific game.
Did I tell you I live in Morton Grove, IL?
They've outlawed bears, cougars and handguns.

--Vic

So, you keep your Israeli handgun concealed, eh?

Oh deer!
 

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:57:15 -0400, Wayne.B penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 17:22:33 -0400, HK wrote:

the animals were here first, we destroyed
they habitat, they suffer because of us.

You could take a proactive approach and let your property return to a
wild state.

I have done just that. I have three acres and have let about 2.5 acres
revert to the natural state, including a pond. I have a lot of
wildlife and have the opportunity to observe them..... without feeding
them.

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:37:11 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:



The trigger finger *always* points straight forward as the gun is drawn
from
the holster. Always. Nobody taught that guy correctly. And, a correctly
designed holster completely encloses the trigger guard.

If I liked everything else about a gun, the presence of a safety wouldn't
keep me from buying it. Another "safety" involves not carrying with a
round
in the chamber. With practice, you can work the slide *very* fast without
interrupting things.


Hmmm. You a cop? Nice disguise.

--Vic

Nope. I wuz jest tawt reel gud. :-)

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/boo...y&cds2Pid=9481

and

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/boo...73491860&itm=4

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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:20:05 -0400, HK wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:37:11 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


The trigger finger *always* points straight forward as the gun is drawn
from
the holster. Always. Nobody taught that guy correctly. And, a correctly
designed holster completely encloses the trigger guard.

If I liked everything else about a gun, the presence of a safety
wouldn't
keep me from buying it. Another "safety" involves not carrying with a
round
in the chamber. With practice, you can work the slide *very* fast
without
interrupting things.


Hmmm. You a cop? Nice disguise.


Joe isn't wrong. I have a custom molder "hard plastic" holster for my
Sig. When the handgun is in the holster, you simply cannot get a finger
or anything else onto the trigger to pull it, because the trigger guard
is completely covered by the holster.

Oh, I didn't say he was wrong. He just sounded like a Fed from
Quantico or Aberdeen. Pretty damn suspicious to me, that's all.

Careful. You sound like some "folks" who think anyone who reads and learns
is an elitist.

Oh deer!
 

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 17:41:55 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Gene Kearns wrote:

I agree the wildlife should be able to use any available habitat even if
it is our lawn, our lake, our vegetable garden or our flowers.

Not with my azaleas, vegetables, and etc. they don't. I live in a
rural area and the critters that think they can ravage my little part
of the universe (I've let them have about 80% of my property for their
use) end up next to my mashed potatoes and green beans.

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

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"HK" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:45:42 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:11:53 -0400, HK
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:25:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:00:17 -0400, wrote:

The winner was always an old sargent who took his time and shot
down
one per round, with a 2" revolver.
I have said for years that the reason is due to 13 round
semi-auto
hand guns.

With a revolver, you only have six - makes you concentrate.
One of my favorite gun technique books suggests taking only 6
rounds to the range, no matter what kind of handgun you're
shooting. Good idea.
All my kids were trained that way. In fact, when my youngest went
to
the Academy in SC, he noticed that the more bullets they were
issues,
the more the used them.

He took his time, minimum shots and did well.

It's the revolver training.

I have a 9mm Glock, but I never carry it unless I'm in the woods.
For
just carrying purposes, it's a .357 mag on a .38 frame.
I wouldn't "carry" a semi without a real safety, either, though I
do like shooting a Glock at the range. Is that a single or double
action .357?
single action hammerless.

Wouldn't want it to get caught on the shirt. :)
Geeez. I'm pretty sure I've never seen a SA hammerless .357 mag. But
there's a lot of pistols I've not seen. If it is hammerless, how do
you cock it?
Oy.

You don't cock it.
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firear...ion&fam lst=9
Thank you.

Intersting Harry has never seen one. They are pretty common.

As I said, the only SA action revolvers I have handled were
"traditional." The photo on the page you reference there seems to be a
DA ruger.


I think you're losing track of the discussion. You said this:

"Geeez. I'm pretty sure I've never seen a SA hammerless .357 mag. But
there's a lot of pistols I've not seen. If it is hammerless, how do you
cock it?"

OK now? That's what we were responding to. However, to be fair, I ignored
"SA" because it wasn't relevant, compared to "hammerless". Obviously, the
two ideas don't belong together, and "SA" has no relevance to this
discussion.




It did to me. Tom said he carried a single action hammerless revolver.
I was curious how he cocked it. So there!

OK. That's true. Maybe Tom was messing with your head, something that's
never happened before in this NG.

Oh deer!
 

"end.user" invalid.reply.2.newsgroup wrote in message
...

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

**snip**

Don't you mean that the other way around? My Highway Patrolman shoots
.38's
but is a .357 magnum frame (and shoots them!).

Nope - just the way I spake it.

I think you need to check again. A .357 will chamber a .38 special, a .38
special CANNOT chamber a .357. The .357 case is quite a bit longer than a
.38.




Yeah, but he said "frame". For certain calibers, including .357, there are
various frame sizes, which is why Smith & Wesson designate as K-frame,
J-frame, etc. There were, in fact, a few .357s build on a light frame. This
doesn't mean a short cylinder. It means other parts of the gun are
lighter-skinnier whatever. This, in turn, is why you'll see discussions
where people say "That hand load's fine for this model .357, but no way you
should load rounds that hot for THAT model .357".

Oh deer!
 

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:55:36 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:52:12 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Dogs don't work. My brother had dogs on the golf course he managed. The
geese would just fly into the water when the dog came. The dog couldn't
swim fast enough to scare the geese.

You got the wrong trainer. The dog isn't supposed to chase them into
the water.

I work with BCs here in and around golf courses and haven't ever had
that problem.

It's all in how the dogs are trained.

The dogs don't 'chase' them into the water, the friggin' geese get smart
quick and fly into the friggin' water as soon as they see the dog!

There must be some stupid friggin' geese up there!

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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:11:53 -0400, HK wrote:

wouldn't "carry" a semi without a real safety, either, though I do
like shooting a Glock at the range.


The Glock is supposed to mimic the action of a revolver shooting
double action. They don't have a safety either.
... nor does my KP90, same theory. You are supposed to be carrying
"de-cocked"

Ruger KP90? You like?

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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:50:24 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:46:02 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:02:55 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:25:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:00:17 -0400, wrote:

The winner was always an old sargent who took his time and shot down
one per round, with a 2" revolver.

I have said for years that the reason is due to 13 round semi-auto
hand guns.

With a revolver, you only have six - makes you concentrate.

One of my favorite gun technique books suggests taking only 6 rounds to the
range, no matter what kind of handgun you're shooting. Good idea.

All my kids were trained that way. In fact, when my youngest went to
the Academy in SC, he noticed that the more bullets they were issues,
the more the used them.

He took his time, minimum shots and did well.

It's the revolver training.

I have a 9mm Glock, but I never carry it unless I'm in the woods. For
just carrying purposes, it's a .357 mag on a .38 frame.

Don't you mean that the other way around? My Highway Patrolman shoots .38's
but is a .357 magnum frame (and shoots them!).

Nope - just the way I spake it.

Wouldn't a gun with a frame built for .38's be somewhat unsafe with a bunch
of .357 mags going through it?

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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:05:14 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:



Careful. You sound like some "folks" who think anyone who reads and learns
is an elitist.

Hmm. Typical educated cop response.

--Vic

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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:05:14 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:



Careful. You sound like some "folks" who think anyone who reads and learns
is an elitist.

Hmm. Typical educated cop response.

--Vic

Quota? Nah. I can write as many tickets as I want.

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"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:53:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:13:29 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:50:24 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:46:02 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:02:55 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:25:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:00:17 -0400, wrote:

The winner was always an old sargent who took his time and shot
down
one per round, with a 2" revolver.

I have said for years that the reason is due to 13 round semi-auto
hand guns.

With a revolver, you only have six - makes you concentrate.

One of my favorite gun technique books suggests taking only 6 rounds
to the
range, no matter what kind of handgun you're shooting. Good idea.

All my kids were trained that way. In fact, when my youngest went to
the Academy in SC, he noticed that the more bullets they were issues,
the more the used them.

He took his time, minimum shots and did well.

It's the revolver training.

I have a 9mm Glock, but I never carry it unless I'm in the woods. For
just carrying purposes, it's a .357 mag on a .38 frame.

Don't you mean that the other way around? My Highway Patrolman shoots
.38's
but is a .357 magnum frame (and shoots them!).

Nope - just the way I spake it.

Wouldn't a gun with a frame built for .38's be somewhat unsafe with a
bunch
of .357 mags going through it?

What part of this is so hard to understand?

The gun is a .357 mag built on a .38 frame.

Ruger SP101

Hello? Anybody home?

You god damned people will agrue about anything.

I'm outa here for a while.

Morons.

No argument exists. I was simply asking a question. I looked for
information on the Ruger SP101, but could find nothing saying the frame
was
built for .38's.


Look at the top strap, Einstein.

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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:55:52 -0400, HK wrote:


Real purty. I sometimes use them but prefer my M5 with ACP's for the
heavy action. This is when playing SWAT 4, a terrific game.
Did I tell you I live in Morton Grove, IL?
They've outlawed bears, cougars and handguns.

--Vic

So, you keep your Israeli handgun concealed, eh?

Went over my head. I don't know much about guns, although
years ago I subscribed to Guns and was pretty advanced in my dreaming.
But there was this place in Marietta Georgia I stopped
once when I drove to Florida with a buddy. Called the Bulletstop.
Think it was '85, when the Bears played the Dolphins in the superbowl.
Shot clips from an Uzi, and a Thompson. It was fun, but expensive.
I think if I ever felt the need to "protect my family" I'd have a
Remington 12 autoloader to sleep with, and get a big pillow to keep it
under.

--Vic

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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:05:26 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 17:41:55 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Gene Kearns wrote:

I agree the wildlife should be able to use any available habitat even if
it is our lawn, our lake, our vegetable garden or our flowers.

Not with my azaleas, vegetables, and etc. they don't. I live in a
rural area and the critters that think they can ravage my little part
of the universe (I've let them have about 80% of my property for their
use) end up next to my mashed potatoes and green beans.

My wife has an extensive garden. She hates rabbits.

--Vic

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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:05:26 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 17:41:55 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Gene Kearns wrote:

I agree the wildlife should be able to use any available habitat even if
it is our lawn, our lake, our vegetable garden or our flowers.

Not with my azaleas, vegetables, and etc. they don't. I live in a
rural area and the critters that think they can ravage my little part
of the universe (I've let them have about 80% of my property for their
use) end up next to my mashed potatoes and green beans.

My wife has an extensive garden. She hates rabbits.

--Vic


Rabbits were put here to cook. They're delicious.

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On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:14:04 -0400, "end.user" invalid.reply.2.newsgroup
wrote:


"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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**SNIP**

I think you're losing track of the discussion. You said this:

"Geeez. I'm pretty sure I've never seen a SA hammerless .357 mag. But
there's a lot of pistols I've not seen. If it is hammerless, how do you
cock it?"

OK now? That's what we were responding to. However, to be fair, I ignored
"SA" because it wasn't relevant, compared to "hammerless". Obviously, the
two ideas don't belong together, and "SA" has no relevance to this
discussion.

SA = Single Action, the hammer MUST be cocked for each shot (assuming a
revolver), DA = Double Action it can be fired with a pull of the trigger
only or (if it has a hammer) in SA mode to reduce the trigger pull..

Harrys comment was completely relevant. It is the distinction that makes the
difference.


Harry's comments are *always* relevant!

He used to be totally down on handguns, the NRA, digital cameras, etc.,
until he got his. Now he's an expert on them in addition to his other areas
of expertise.

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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:03:26 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


Goose dogs are the only way to go.

Or, what they are doing here (NJ), is having an early hunting season, now through the end of the month,
with a heavy bag limit (15 daily). The migratory geese don't appear here until October, so this early
season targets the resident flock. The resident geese are also about twice the weight of the migratory
birds (12 to 20 lbs), so a good day can put a lot of food in the freezer.

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On Sep 7, 12:03 pm, wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 09:57:59 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing

wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:00:17 -0400, wrote:

The winner was always an old sargent who took his time and shot down
one per round, with a 2" revolver.

I have said for years that the reason is due to 13 round semi-auto
hand guns.

With a revolver, you only have six - makes you concentrate.

The "chief" who taught me to shoot would only give me one round at a
time (1911). He said, think about this shot before you think about the
next one. Shoot every round like it was your last. Anyone who says you
can't hit anything with a .45 never had this guy teach you how to
shoot.

Dad taught me two things. Don't ever touch another mans weapon unless
you are going to fire it. If someone tells you their weapon is not
loaded, leave immediately, they are an idiot and should not be playing
with firearms;) This led to an embarrassing event one Thanksgiving out
on Long Island with the inlaws. Uncle in law, old school sherriff type
is trying to get me to look at (handle) an old german lugar (sp?). I
admire it but won't take it from his hand or take from the counter.
After a couple of times he gives up and puts it away. Sure was a
pretty weapon, guess he probably still thinks I'm, well whatever he
thinks of a longhair that won't "play" with guns;)

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On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:30:51 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:


"Vic Smith" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:05:26 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 17:41:55 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

Gene Kearns wrote:

I agree the wildlife should be able to use any available habitat even if
it is our lawn, our lake, our vegetable garden or our flowers.

Not with my azaleas, vegetables, and etc. they don't. I live in a
rural area and the critters that think they can ravage my little part
of the universe (I've let them have about 80% of my property for their
use) end up next to my mashed potatoes and green beans.

My wife has an extensive garden. She hates rabbits.

--Vic

Let the wildlife use any available habitat? Is he crazy? (no need to
answer that one)

Hey, who's crazy. The critter lovers or the guy who thinks he's
growing mashed potatoes?

--Vic

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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:11:43 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:55:36 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:52:12 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Dogs don't work. My brother had dogs on the golf course he managed. The
geese would just fly into the water when the dog came. The dog couldn't
swim fast enough to scare the geese.

You got the wrong trainer. The dog isn't supposed to chase them into
the water.

I work with BCs here in and around golf courses and haven't ever had
that problem.

It's all in how the dogs are trained.

The dogs don't 'chase' them into the water, the friggin' geese get smart
quick and fly into the friggin' water as soon as they see the dog!

There must be some stupid friggin' geese up there!

I saw the Border Collies in action once, and they would swim after the
geese that lit in the water. The geese would take off after the dog
swam a short distance. I guess there's geese and geese, dogs and
dogs.

--Vic

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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:47:00 -0500, John H.
wrote:



Ah, something on which we agree! I grew up on fried rabbit.

Taste like chicken? Never had it myself, though I've had turtle
and squirrel once each. The squirrel wasn't cooked right and
was tough and tasteless. The turtle tasted...like chicken.

--Vic

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"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:20:21 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:53:52 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:13:29 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:50:24 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:46:02 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:02:55 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:25:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:00:17 -0400, wrote:

The winner was always an old sargent who took his time and shot
down
one per round, with a 2" revolver.

I have said for years that the reason is due to 13 round
semi-auto
hand guns.

With a revolver, you only have six - makes you concentrate.

One of my favorite gun technique books suggests taking only 6
rounds
to the
range, no matter what kind of handgun you're shooting. Good idea.

All my kids were trained that way. In fact, when my youngest went
to
the Academy in SC, he noticed that the more bullets they were
issues,
the more the used them.

He took his time, minimum shots and did well.

It's the revolver training.

I have a 9mm Glock, but I never carry it unless I'm in the woods.
For
just carrying purposes, it's a .357 mag on a .38 frame.

Don't you mean that the other way around? My Highway Patrolman shoots
.38's
but is a .357 magnum frame (and shoots them!).

Nope - just the way I spake it.

Wouldn't a gun with a frame built for .38's be somewhat unsafe with a
bunch
of .357 mags going through it?

What part of this is so hard to understand?

The gun is a .357 mag built on a .38 frame.

Ruger SP101

Hello? Anybody home?

You god damned people will agrue about anything.

I'm outa here for a while.

Morons.

No argument exists. I was simply asking a question. I looked for
information on the Ruger SP101, but could find nothing saying the frame
was
built for .38's.


Look at the top strap, Einstein.


Ah, another name-caller!

Enlighten me, please. I am certainly no expert on pistols. What is a 'top
strap'?

Is there one in this photo?

http://tinyurl.com/lw55

Yes, there is. See the black grip with the silver screw holding it on?
That's actually called the top strap.

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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:47:00 -0500, John H.
wrote:



Ah, something on which we agree! I grew up on fried rabbit.

Taste like chicken? Never had it myself, though I've had turtle
and squirrel once each. The squirrel wasn't cooked right and
was tough and tasteless. The turtle tasted...like chicken.

--Vic


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