Oh deer!
 

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 17:22:33 -0400, HK wrote:

the animals were here first, we destroyed
they habitat, they suffer because of us.

You could take a proactive approach and let your property return to a
wild state.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 17:22:33 -0400, HK wrote:

the animals were here first, we destroyed
they habitat, they suffer because of us.

You could take a proactive approach and let your property return to a
wild state.


You know, there's nothing quite like the non-boating advice found here
on wrecked.boats.

Actually, Whine, er, Wayne, we have done that with most of it. We're
down to about an acre of lawn. One of our fields is on its way back to
nature, and the other was leased long term by a local farmer who uses it
to grow feed and some veggies. We never touched the wooded areas.

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On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:57:15 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 17:22:33 -0400, HK wrote:

the animals were here first, we destroyed
they habitat, they suffer because of us.

You could take a proactive approach and let your property return to a
wild state.

We did that when we first bought our place - big mistake.

I now log the woods every three years and the fields are hay and corn.
Big difference in the health of the fields and woods.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:57:15 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 17:22:33 -0400, HK wrote:

the animals were here first, we destroyed
they habitat, they suffer because of us.
You could take a proactive approach and let your property return to a
wild state.

We did that when we first bought our place - big mistake.

I now log the woods every three years and the fields are hay and corn.
Big difference in the health of the fields and woods.



I don't do anything with our woods but walk through them.

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On Sep 6, 6:11 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 09:35:14 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
When we first moved into a house on a wooded lot after leaving the Navy, we
were routinely visited by a large, wild creature who's visits were both
annoying and a bit scary at times.

After a while though, my mother-in-law came to realize that her daughter was
fine, happy and the visits became fewer.

After you stopped feeding her ?

Who could resist this face?
http://trip-reports.com/coppermine/d...album=1&pos=13

Or this one?
http://trip-reports.com/coppermine/d...?album=1&pos=5

Here are the rest of the Zoo pics;)
http://trip-reports.com/coppermine/t...ls.php?album=1

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wrote in message
...
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:13:38 -0400, HK wrote:

Maybe they view 9mm in the same way as some police departments: Shoot
many,
many rounds, miss with most, hope the noise gets the target under
control.




Most of the cops I see at the range are really *lousy* shots, no matter
what they are shooting.


True story from the county just north of mine. The deputies used to
have a compeition. Five bowling pins, 7 yards timed fire, shoot until
they are all down. Some deputies had to reload their double stack
Sigs!
The winner was always an old sargent who took his time and shot down
one per round, with a 2" revolver.

Shot ducks with a police weapons officer for one of the SF Bay area
departments. He said the average for police shootouts is 9 shots at 10'.
And no one is hit. Hard to aim while diving for cover.

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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 03:19:48 -0000,
wrote:

After a while though, my mother-in-law came to realize that her daughter was
fine, happy and the visits became fewer.

After you stopped feeding her ?

Who could resist this face?
http://trip-reports.com/coppermine/d...album=1&pos=13

Or this one?
http://trip-reports.com/coppermine/d...?album=1&pos=5

Here are the rest of the Zoo pics;)
http://trip-reports.com/coppermine/t...ls.php?album=1

============================================

I like this one:

http://trip-reports.com/coppermine/d...?album=1&pos=6

Oh deer!
 

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:00:17 -0400, wrote:

The winner was always an old sargent who took his time and shot down
one per round, with a 2" revolver.

I have said for years that the reason is due to 13 round semi-auto
hand guns.

With a revolver, you only have six - makes you concentrate.

Oh deer!
 

wrote:
On Sep 6, 6:11 pm, Wayne.B wrote:

Who could resist this face?
http://trip-reports.com/coppermine/d...album=1&pos=13

Or this one?
http://trip-reports.com/coppermine/d...?album=1&pos=5

Here are the rest of the Zoo pics;)
http://trip-reports.com/coppermine/t...ls.php?album=1

LOL, I noticed your Chow mix breed dog. We have a Chow Mix and also
named HER Rocky (after Rocky Marciano). As a puppy I not only thought
she looked like RM, with his big nose, but when she was play fighting
with my other dog, she would just bend her head down and slug it out
instead of using the "jab" method my other dog used. She was definitely
just a brawler, without any technique.

When we picked up the dog from the rescue agency, they had her listed as
a Keeshound, but I really think it is a chow/shepard mix.

Oh deer!
 

Oh deer!
 

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:26:44 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


There are many public and private lakes (including those run by the C of
E's ) that are now allowing or hiring hunters to kill the Canadian Geese
that are no longer migrating due to people feeding them. These geese
have taken over coves and lakes that would have been a brief stopover on
their migratory path, until people thought it would be cute or helpful
to feed them.

I don't think that's an accurate assessment. Migratory and non-migratory Canada geese are different
subspecies. Branta canadensis maxima being the larger non-migratory goose.

http://www.esatoday.com/arresident.html

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HK wrote:



Reads like an adjunct to those who jumped into using "digital" cameras
without ever learning to use a film camera...take 500 photos on an SD
chip and of those you might get three good photos. The old sarge
probably learned to take photos on a 4x5 view camera!

Harry,
A photo like the Owl photo you posted as your own do not come easy. The
photographer would actually took the photo probably took 100's that day.

I read an article from a photographer for the National Geographic that
for every shot that was printed in National Geographic he had to shot a
1000 that never made it.

All photographers will tell you the key to improving your skill is to
take LOTS of photos and review them to help improve your skill.

Most boaters will tell you the key to improving your boating skills is
to boat.

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HK wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 14:13:38 -0400, HK wrote:

Maybe they view 9mm in the same way as some police departments:
Shoot many, many rounds, miss with most, hope the noise gets the
target under control.


Most of the cops I see at the range are really *lousy* shots, no
matter what they are shooting.


True story from the county just north of mine. The deputies used to
have a compeition. Five bowling pins, 7 yards timed fire, shoot until
they are all down. Some deputies had to reload their double stack
Sigs! The winner was always an old sargent who took his time and shot
down
one per round, with a 2" revolver.



Reads like an adjunct to those who jumped into using "digital" cameras
without ever learning to use a film camera...take 500 photos on an SD
chip and of those you might get three good photos. The old sarge
probably learned to take photos on a 4x5 view camera!

Seven yards is the typical distance for "defensive" shooters with a
handgun. If you can't hit a target 21 feet away, you need a new
hobby...or profession.


Harry,
By the way, the NYT ran a great article and video piece on Sally Mann,
where she used a 8x10 camera, and she stated was always taking one more
photo hoping to get one that captured the image she had in her mind's
eye. It was a great video taken in the MOMA with her daughter who was
the model in many of work.

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thunder wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:26:44 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


There are many public and private lakes (including those run by the C of
E's ) that are now allowing or hiring hunters to kill the Canadian Geese
that are no longer migrating due to people feeding them. These geese
have taken over coves and lakes that would have been a brief stopover on
their migratory path, until people thought it would be cute or helpful
to feed them.

I don't think that's an accurate assessment. Migratory and non-migratory Canada geese are different
subspecies. Branta canadensis maxima being the larger non-migratory goose.

http://www.esatoday.com/arresident.html

I wouldn't know a migratory vs non-migratory Geese if I meet one. I am
basing my assessment based upon the Dept of Natural Resources in States
all over the USA, including the State of Maryland. If you read the
piece you posted they highlighted that the problem in Maryland was
created when Canadian Geese were released into the lakes 50 - 75 years
ago. According to the Georgia Dept of Natural Resources the problem in
Georiga is the result of people feeding migratory geese who have become
nonmigratory.

Either way, ALL DNR are emphatic that it is unhealthy for the Geese and
all wildlife to be feed by humans.

This is what the Maryland Dept of Natural Resources says concerning
feeding Wildlife:

http://www.dnr.state.md.us/wildlife/feedingwildlife.asp

Feeding leads to crowding and crowding causes stress.

Supplemental food sources do not contribute to a wildlife population’s
well-being Wild animals need varied, natural foods as a part of their
normal diet. Their digestive systems are adapted to extract energy from
a variety of foods available throughout the seasons. Though wildlife may
accept handouts from people, they will likely not get the balanced diet
they need for good health. For example, deer have sensitive digestive
systems that cannot readily adapt to supplemental food sources. In fact,
winter starved deer have actually died with full stomachs because their
digestive system was unable to process the supplemental food.

and from http://dnrweb.dnr.state.md.us/dnrnew...3099goose.html

Discontinue Feeding


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Although many people enjoy feeding waterfowl in parks and on private
property, this often contributes to goose problems. Feeding may cause
large numbers of geese to congregate in unnatural concentrations.
Well-fed domestic waterfowl often act as decoys, attracting wild birds
to a site. Feeding usually occurs in the most accessible areas, making a
mess of heavily used lawns, walkways, roads, and parking areas.
Supplemental feeding also teaches geese to be unafraid of people, making
control measures less effective. Feeding may be unhealthy for the birds
too, especially if bread or popcorn becomes a large part of their diet.
Once feeding is discontinued, geese will disperse and revert to higher
quality natural foods. Geese that depend on human handouts are also less
likely to migrate when severe winter weather arrives, and are more
vulnerable to disease.

Feeding of all wild and domestic waterfowl on both public and private
property in urban situations should be prohibited as an important step
in controlling Canada goose problems. A public education program should
accompany the initiation of an anti-feeding ordinance to stimulate
public interest, participation, and support. An anti-feeding ordinance
must be enforced to be effective and may require a penalty sufficient to
deter the activity. An alternative punishment to fines is to require
"community service" (e.g., cleaning up droppings) for violations. An
example of a no-feeding ordinance is included with this information for
adoption by housing associations, municipalities, and county governments.

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wrote in message
...
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 17:21:34 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:32:45 -0400, wrote:

Another point, it makes the predators associate people with food.
Sometimes they get confused whether the people provide food or ARE
food. Hence most alligator attacks in Florida.

I always have to chuckle at the typical environmentalist response to
alligator attacks in Florida. The attacks are always blamed on humans
feeding the gators. Their logic is irrefutable I guess.

It is pretty accurate. Just look at where the attacks in SW Florida
occured. People in Sanibel were treating gators like household pets
until that real estate lady got ate. They had a 12 footer that hung
out at the Dairy Queen on Bullwinkle. Bird Westall would come over
about once a week and drag him over to Ding. The next day he was back
eating ice cream cones. I think that may have been the one who ate the
lady but if not it was his brother. They had a bunch of them.

The kid up in Charlotte was a similar story. People had been feeding
that gator for years. For some reason people think seeing a gator eat
a hot dog makes them a native.

BTW the other way people get gator or snake bit is screwing with one
that would just as soon run away.

Two years ago, I was wading a nice trout stream in October. Next day on the
news, "DEC Captures Half of Croc Pair" or something like that. Somehow, they
identified the idiot who had releases two of the monsters into that same
creek, so they knew there were two. They said winter would take care of the
other one. It sure put an end to trout fishing on that stream quickly for
the rest of the season. :-)

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:00:17 -0400, wrote:

The winner was always an old sargent who took his time and shot down
one per round, with a 2" revolver.

I have said for years that the reason is due to 13 round semi-auto
hand guns.

With a revolver, you only have six - makes you concentrate.

One of my favorite gun technique books suggests taking only 6 rounds to the
range, no matter what kind of handgun you're shooting. Good idea.

Oh deer!
 

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:25:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:00:17 -0400, wrote:

The winner was always an old sargent who took his time and shot down
one per round, with a 2" revolver.

I have said for years that the reason is due to 13 round semi-auto
hand guns.

With a revolver, you only have six - makes you concentrate.

One of my favorite gun technique books suggests taking only 6 rounds to the
range, no matter what kind of handgun you're shooting. Good idea.

All my kids were trained that way. In fact, when my youngest went to
the Academy in SC, he noticed that the more bullets they were issues,
the more the used them.

He took his time, minimum shots and did well.

It's the revolver training.

I have a 9mm Glock, but I never carry it unless I'm in the woods. For
just carrying purposes, it's a .357 mag on a .38 frame.

Oh deer!
 

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:43:30 -0000, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:26:44 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


There are many public and private lakes (including those run by the C of
E's ) that are now allowing or hiring hunters to kill the Canadian Geese
that are no longer migrating due to people feeding them. These geese
have taken over coves and lakes that would have been a brief stopover on
their migratory path, until people thought it would be cute or helpful
to feed them.

I don't think that's an accurate assessment. Migratory and non-migratory Canada geese are different
subspecies. Branta canadensis maxima being the larger non-migratory goose.

http://www.esatoday.com/arresident.html

Goose dogs are the only way to go.

Oh deer!
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:43:30 -0000, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:26:44 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


There are many public and private lakes (including those run by the C of
E's ) that are now allowing or hiring hunters to kill the Canadian Geese
that are no longer migrating due to people feeding them. These geese
have taken over coves and lakes that would have been a brief stopover on
their migratory path, until people thought it would be cute or helpful
to feed them.
I don't think that's an accurate assessment. Migratory and non-migratory Canada geese are different
subspecies. Branta canadensis maxima being the larger non-migratory goose.

http://www.esatoday.com/arresident.html

Goose dogs are the only way to go.

tom,
Don't you mean Watch-Geese?

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On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:08:13 -0400, HK wrote:

Actually, Whine, er, Wayne

Very creative Hairy, very creative and original.

I think the last time I heard that was in kindergarten from a little
fat kid who peed his pants, didn't play well with others and drooled
when he ate.

Its interesting how some things don't change.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:25:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:00:17 -0400, wrote:

The winner was always an old sargent who took his time and shot down
one per round, with a 2" revolver.
I have said for years that the reason is due to 13 round semi-auto
hand guns.

With a revolver, you only have six - makes you concentrate.
One of my favorite gun technique books suggests taking only 6 rounds to the
range, no matter what kind of handgun you're shooting. Good idea.

All my kids were trained that way. In fact, when my youngest went to
the Academy in SC, he noticed that the more bullets they were issues,
the more the used them.

He took his time, minimum shots and did well.

It's the revolver training.

I have a 9mm Glock, but I never carry it unless I'm in the woods. For
just carrying purposes, it's a .357 mag on a .38 frame.


I wouldn't "carry" a semi without a real safety, either, though I do
like shooting a Glock at the range. Is that a single or double action .357?

Oh deer!
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:08:13 -0400, HK wrote:

Actually, Whine, er, Wayne

Very creative Hairy, very creative and original.

I think the last time I heard that was in kindergarten from a little
fat kid who peed his pants, didn't play well with others and drooled
when he ate.

Its interesting how some things don't change.


You're still the same guy you were then, eh?

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"HK" wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:25:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:00:17 -0400, wrote:

The winner was always an old sargent who took his time and shot down
one per round, with a 2" revolver.
I have said for years that the reason is due to 13 round semi-auto
hand guns.

With a revolver, you only have six - makes you concentrate.
One of my favorite gun technique books suggests taking only 6 rounds to
the range, no matter what kind of handgun you're shooting. Good idea.

All my kids were trained that way. In fact, when my youngest went to
the Academy in SC, he noticed that the more bullets they were issues,
the more the used them.

He took his time, minimum shots and did well.

It's the revolver training.

I have a 9mm Glock, but I never carry it unless I'm in the woods. For
just carrying purposes, it's a .357 mag on a .38 frame.


I wouldn't "carry" a semi without a real safety, either, though I do like
shooting a Glock at the range. Is that a single or double action .357?

All semis have a "safety". One is the owner (hopefully). The other is a
holster that's correct for the situation at hand. If you still believe a
mechanical safety is needed, please explain why, in light of the fact that
revolvers don't have them.

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:25:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:00:17 -0400, wrote:

The winner was always an old sargent who took his time and shot down
one per round, with a 2" revolver.
I have said for years that the reason is due to 13 round semi-auto
hand guns.

With a revolver, you only have six - makes you concentrate.
One of my favorite gun technique books suggests taking only 6 rounds to
the range, no matter what kind of handgun you're shooting. Good idea.
All my kids were trained that way. In fact, when my youngest went to
the Academy in SC, he noticed that the more bullets they were issues,
the more the used them.

He took his time, minimum shots and did well.

It's the revolver training.

I have a 9mm Glock, but I never carry it unless I'm in the woods. For
just carrying purposes, it's a .357 mag on a .38 frame.

I wouldn't "carry" a semi without a real safety, either, though I do like
shooting a Glock at the range. Is that a single or double action .357?

All semis have a "safety". One is the owner (hopefully). The other is a
holster that's correct for the situation at hand. If you still believe a
mechanical safety is needed, please explain why, in light of the fact that
revolvers don't have them.



It takes a bit more effort to fire off a revolver, especially a
single-action revolver which, if I "carried," would be what I would
carry. The Glocks I fire have no more than a five pound trigger pull,
and despite the "famous" Glock trigger mechanism, I can envision ways it
might get snagged or caught somewhere in the process of drawing it.

My two semi-autos have "safeties."

Oh deer!
 

"HK" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:25:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:00:17 -0400, wrote:

The winner was always an old sargent who took his time and shot down
one per round, with a 2" revolver.
I have said for years that the reason is due to 13 round semi-auto
hand guns.

With a revolver, you only have six - makes you concentrate.
One of my favorite gun technique books suggests taking only 6 rounds
to the range, no matter what kind of handgun you're shooting. Good
idea.
All my kids were trained that way. In fact, when my youngest went to
the Academy in SC, he noticed that the more bullets they were issues,
the more the used them.

He took his time, minimum shots and did well.

It's the revolver training.

I have a 9mm Glock, but I never carry it unless I'm in the woods. For
just carrying purposes, it's a .357 mag on a .38 frame.

I wouldn't "carry" a semi without a real safety, either, though I do
like shooting a Glock at the range. Is that a single or double action
.357?

All semis have a "safety". One is the owner (hopefully). The other is a
holster that's correct for the situation at hand. If you still believe a
mechanical safety is needed, please explain why, in light of the fact
that revolvers don't have them.

It takes a bit more effort to fire off a revolver, especially a
single-action revolver which, if I "carried," would be what I would carry.
The Glocks I fire have no more than a five pound trigger pull, and despite
the "famous" Glock trigger mechanism, I can envision ways it might get
snagged or caught somewhere in the process of drawing it.

My two semi-autos have "safeties."

This is silly. If you can't control your finger:

- Don't put your finger inside the trigger guard.
- Get to the hospital. You've had a stroke.

Oh deer!
 

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:08:57 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

I think the last time I heard that was in kindergarten from a little
fat kid who peed his pants, didn't play well with others and drooled
when he ate.

Dang - did every kindergarten have one of those?

Must have been an epidemic or something. :)

Oh deer!
 

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:07:41 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:43:30 -0000, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:26:44 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


There are many public and private lakes (including those run by the C of
E's ) that are now allowing or hiring hunters to kill the Canadian Geese
that are no longer migrating due to people feeding them. These geese
have taken over coves and lakes that would have been a brief stopover on
their migratory path, until people thought it would be cute or helpful
to feed them.
I don't think that's an accurate assessment. Migratory and non-migratory Canada geese are different
subspecies. Branta canadensis maxima being the larger non-migratory goose.

http://www.esatoday.com/arresident.html

Goose dogs are the only way to go.

tom,
Don't you mean Watch-Geese?

No - goose dogs.

http://www.goosedog.com/IntroPage.html

Oh deer!
 

On Sep 7, 10:15 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

...





Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:25:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:00:17 -0400, wrote:

The winner was always an old sargent who took his time and shot down
one per round, with a 2" revolver.
I have said for years that the reason is due to 13 round semi-auto
hand guns.

With a revolver, you only have six - makes you concentrate.
One of my favorite gun technique books suggests taking only 6 rounds to
the range, no matter what kind of handgun you're shooting. Good idea.

All my kids were trained that way. In fact, when my youngest went to
the Academy in SC, he noticed that the more bullets they were issues,
the more the used them.

He took his time, minimum shots and did well.

It's the revolver training.

I have a 9mm Glock, but I never carry it unless I'm in the woods. For
just carrying purposes, it's a .357 mag on a .38 frame.

I wouldn't "carry" a semi without a real safety, either, though I do like
shooting a Glock at the range. Is that a single or double action .357?

All semis have a "safety". One is the owner (hopefully). The other is a
holster that's correct for the situation at hand. If you still believe a
mechanical safety is needed, please explain why, in light of the fact that
revolvers don't have them.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I know a guy who shot himself in the foot pulliing a pistol out of a
holster. Now I know you are going to jump all over this one and tell
me everything he did wrong. Then I will tell you that I was not there,
and know as much about the incident as you do. Anyway, you asked why a
safety on a pistol? I give you my answer although I do not know if he
had a "holster that's correct for the situation at hand". I alway left
when firearms came to a party;) Back then if a gun showed up either
somoeone was drunk, or someone was going to get hurt or both.

Oh deer!
 

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:11:53 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:25:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:00:17 -0400, wrote:

The winner was always an old sargent who took his time and shot down
one per round, with a 2" revolver.
I have said for years that the reason is due to 13 round semi-auto
hand guns.

With a revolver, you only have six - makes you concentrate.
One of my favorite gun technique books suggests taking only 6 rounds to the
range, no matter what kind of handgun you're shooting. Good idea.

All my kids were trained that way. In fact, when my youngest went to
the Academy in SC, he noticed that the more bullets they were issues,
the more the used them.

He took his time, minimum shots and did well.

It's the revolver training.

I have a 9mm Glock, but I never carry it unless I'm in the woods. For
just carrying purposes, it's a .357 mag on a .38 frame.

I wouldn't "carry" a semi without a real safety, either, though I do
like shooting a Glock at the range. Is that a single or double action .357?

single action hammerless.

Wouldn't want it to get caught on the shirt. :)

Oh deer!
 

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:25:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:00:17 -0400, wrote:

The winner was always an old sargent who took his time and shot down
one per round, with a 2" revolver.
I have said for years that the reason is due to 13 round semi-auto
hand guns.

With a revolver, you only have six - makes you concentrate.
One of my favorite gun technique books suggests taking only 6 rounds
to the range, no matter what kind of handgun you're shooting. Good
idea.
All my kids were trained that way. In fact, when my youngest went to
the Academy in SC, he noticed that the more bullets they were issues,
the more the used them.

He took his time, minimum shots and did well.

It's the revolver training.

I have a 9mm Glock, but I never carry it unless I'm in the woods. For
just carrying purposes, it's a .357 mag on a .38 frame.
I wouldn't "carry" a semi without a real safety, either, though I do
like shooting a Glock at the range. Is that a single or double action
.357?
All semis have a "safety". One is the owner (hopefully). The other is a
holster that's correct for the situation at hand. If you still believe a
mechanical safety is needed, please explain why, in light of the fact
that revolvers don't have them.
It takes a bit more effort to fire off a revolver, especially a
single-action revolver which, if I "carried," would be what I would carry.
The Glocks I fire have no more than a five pound trigger pull, and despite
the "famous" Glock trigger mechanism, I can envision ways it might get
snagged or caught somewhere in the process of drawing it.

My two semi-autos have "safeties."

This is silly. If you can't control your finger:

- Don't put your finger inside the trigger guard.
- Get to the hospital. You've had a stroke.




Take up your complaint with Ruger and Sig. :}

Oh deer!
 

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On Sep 7, 10:15 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:25:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:00:17 -0400, wrote:

The winner was always an old sargent who took his time and shot
down
one per round, with a 2" revolver.
I have said for years that the reason is due to 13 round semi-auto
hand guns.

With a revolver, you only have six - makes you concentrate.
One of my favorite gun technique books suggests taking only 6 rounds
to
the range, no matter what kind of handgun you're shooting. Good idea.

All my kids were trained that way. In fact, when my youngest went to
the Academy in SC, he noticed that the more bullets they were issues,
the more the used them.

He took his time, minimum shots and did well.

It's the revolver training.

I have a 9mm Glock, but I never carry it unless I'm in the woods. For
just carrying purposes, it's a .357 mag on a .38 frame.

I wouldn't "carry" a semi without a real safety, either, though I do
like
shooting a Glock at the range. Is that a single or double action .357?

All semis have a "safety". One is the owner (hopefully). The other is a
holster that's correct for the situation at hand. If you still believe a
mechanical safety is needed, please explain why, in light of the fact
that
revolvers don't have them.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I know a guy who shot himself in the foot pulliing a pistol out of a
holster. Now I know you are going to jump all over this one and tell
me everything he did wrong. Then I will tell you that I was not there,
and know as much about the incident as you do. Anyway, you asked why a
safety on a pistol? I give you my answer although I do not know if he
had a "holster that's correct for the situation at hand". I alway left
when firearms came to a party;) Back then if a gun showed up either
somoeone was drunk, or someone was going to get hurt or both.


The trigger finger *always* points straight forward as the gun is drawn from
the holster. Always. Nobody taught that guy correctly. And, a correctly
designed holster completely encloses the trigger guard.

If I liked everything else about a gun, the presence of a safety wouldn't
keep me from buying it. Another "safety" involves not carrying with a round
in the chamber. With practice, you can work the slide *very* fast without
interrupting things.

Oh deer!
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:11:53 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:25:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:00:17 -0400, wrote:

The winner was always an old sargent who took his time and shot down
one per round, with a 2" revolver.
I have said for years that the reason is due to 13 round semi-auto
hand guns.

With a revolver, you only have six - makes you concentrate.
One of my favorite gun technique books suggests taking only 6 rounds to the
range, no matter what kind of handgun you're shooting. Good idea.
All my kids were trained that way. In fact, when my youngest went to
the Academy in SC, he noticed that the more bullets they were issues,
the more the used them.

He took his time, minimum shots and did well.

It's the revolver training.

I have a 9mm Glock, but I never carry it unless I'm in the woods. For
just carrying purposes, it's a .357 mag on a .38 frame.
I wouldn't "carry" a semi without a real safety, either, though I do
like shooting a Glock at the range. Is that a single or double action .357?

single action hammerless.

Wouldn't want it to get caught on the shirt. :)


Geeez. I'm pretty sure I've never seen a SA hammerless .357 mag. But
there's a lot of pistols I've not seen. If it is hammerless, how do you
cock it?

Oh deer!
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:07:41 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:43:30 -0000, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:26:44 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:


There are many public and private lakes (including those run by the C of
E's ) that are now allowing or hiring hunters to kill the Canadian Geese
that are no longer migrating due to people feeding them. These geese
have taken over coves and lakes that would have been a brief stopover on
their migratory path, until people thought it would be cute or helpful
to feed them.
I don't think that's an accurate assessment. Migratory and non-migratory Canada geese are different
subspecies. Branta canadensis maxima being the larger non-migratory goose.

http://www.esatoday.com/arresident.html
Goose dogs are the only way to go.
tom,
Don't you mean Watch-Geese?

No - goose dogs.

http://www.goosedog.com/IntroPage.html

I really don't need a goosedog, but I do love Border Collies.

Oh deer!
 

"HK" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:25:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:00:17 -0400, wrote:

The winner was always an old sargent who took his time and shot
down
one per round, with a 2" revolver.
I have said for years that the reason is due to 13 round semi-auto
hand guns.

With a revolver, you only have six - makes you concentrate.
One of my favorite gun technique books suggests taking only 6 rounds
to the range, no matter what kind of handgun you're shooting. Good
idea.
All my kids were trained that way. In fact, when my youngest went to
the Academy in SC, he noticed that the more bullets they were issues,
the more the used them.

He took his time, minimum shots and did well.

It's the revolver training.

I have a 9mm Glock, but I never carry it unless I'm in the woods.
For
just carrying purposes, it's a .357 mag on a .38 frame.
I wouldn't "carry" a semi without a real safety, either, though I do
like shooting a Glock at the range. Is that a single or double action
.357?
All semis have a "safety". One is the owner (hopefully). The other is a
holster that's correct for the situation at hand. If you still believe
a mechanical safety is needed, please explain why, in light of the fact
that revolvers don't have them.
It takes a bit more effort to fire off a revolver, especially a
single-action revolver which, if I "carried," would be what I would
carry. The Glocks I fire have no more than a five pound trigger pull,
and despite the "famous" Glock trigger mechanism, I can envision ways it
might get snagged or caught somewhere in the process of drawing it.

My two semi-autos have "safeties."

This is silly. If you can't control your finger:

- Don't put your finger inside the trigger guard.
- Get to the hospital. You've had a stroke.


Take up your complaint with Ruger and Sig. :}

This Ruger?
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firear...uncements.html

Oh deer!
 

"HK" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:11:53 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:25:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:00:17 -0400, wrote:

The winner was always an old sargent who took his time and shot down
one per round, with a 2" revolver.
I have said for years that the reason is due to 13 round semi-auto
hand guns.

With a revolver, you only have six - makes you concentrate.
One of my favorite gun technique books suggests taking only 6 rounds
to the range, no matter what kind of handgun you're shooting. Good
idea.
All my kids were trained that way. In fact, when my youngest went to
the Academy in SC, he noticed that the more bullets they were issues,
the more the used them.

He took his time, minimum shots and did well.

It's the revolver training.

I have a 9mm Glock, but I never carry it unless I'm in the woods. For
just carrying purposes, it's a .357 mag on a .38 frame.
I wouldn't "carry" a semi without a real safety, either, though I do
like shooting a Glock at the range. Is that a single or double action
.357?

single action hammerless.

Wouldn't want it to get caught on the shirt. :)


Geeez. I'm pretty sure I've never seen a SA hammerless .357 mag. But
there's a lot of pistols I've not seen. If it is hammerless, how do you
cock it?

Oy.

You don't cock it.
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firear...ion&fam lst=9

Oh deer!
 

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:46:02 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:02:55 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:25:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:00:17 -0400, wrote:

The winner was always an old sargent who took his time and shot down
one per round, with a 2" revolver.

I have said for years that the reason is due to 13 round semi-auto
hand guns.

With a revolver, you only have six - makes you concentrate.

One of my favorite gun technique books suggests taking only 6 rounds to the
range, no matter what kind of handgun you're shooting. Good idea.

All my kids were trained that way. In fact, when my youngest went to
the Academy in SC, he noticed that the more bullets they were issues,
the more the used them.

He took his time, minimum shots and did well.

It's the revolver training.

I have a 9mm Glock, but I never carry it unless I'm in the woods. For
just carrying purposes, it's a .357 mag on a .38 frame.

Don't you mean that the other way around? My Highway Patrolman shoots .38's
but is a .357 magnum frame (and shoots them!).

Nope - just the way I spake it.

Oh deer!
 

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:25:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:00:17 -0400, wrote:

The winner was always an old sargent who took his time and shot
down
one per round, with a 2" revolver.
I have said for years that the reason is due to 13 round semi-auto
hand guns.

With a revolver, you only have six - makes you concentrate.
One of my favorite gun technique books suggests taking only 6 rounds
to the range, no matter what kind of handgun you're shooting. Good
idea.
All my kids were trained that way. In fact, when my youngest went to
the Academy in SC, he noticed that the more bullets they were issues,
the more the used them.

He took his time, minimum shots and did well.

It's the revolver training.

I have a 9mm Glock, but I never carry it unless I'm in the woods.
For
just carrying purposes, it's a .357 mag on a .38 frame.
I wouldn't "carry" a semi without a real safety, either, though I do
like shooting a Glock at the range. Is that a single or double action
.357?
All semis have a "safety". One is the owner (hopefully). The other is a
holster that's correct for the situation at hand. If you still believe
a mechanical safety is needed, please explain why, in light of the fact
that revolvers don't have them.
It takes a bit more effort to fire off a revolver, especially a
single-action revolver which, if I "carried," would be what I would
carry. The Glocks I fire have no more than a five pound trigger pull,
and despite the "famous" Glock trigger mechanism, I can envision ways it
might get snagged or caught somewhere in the process of drawing it.

My two semi-autos have "safeties."
This is silly. If you can't control your finger:

- Don't put your finger inside the trigger guard.
- Get to the hospital. You've had a stroke.

Take up your complaint with Ruger and Sig. :}

This Ruger?
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firear...uncements.html




Nope. Don't have any of those Rugers.

Oh deer!
 

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:45:42 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:11:53 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:25:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:00:17 -0400, wrote:

The winner was always an old sargent who took his time and shot down
one per round, with a 2" revolver.
I have said for years that the reason is due to 13 round semi-auto
hand guns.

With a revolver, you only have six - makes you concentrate.
One of my favorite gun technique books suggests taking only 6 rounds
to the range, no matter what kind of handgun you're shooting. Good
idea.
All my kids were trained that way. In fact, when my youngest went to
the Academy in SC, he noticed that the more bullets they were issues,
the more the used them.

He took his time, minimum shots and did well.

It's the revolver training.

I have a 9mm Glock, but I never carry it unless I'm in the woods. For
just carrying purposes, it's a .357 mag on a .38 frame.
I wouldn't "carry" a semi without a real safety, either, though I do
like shooting a Glock at the range. Is that a single or double action
.357?

single action hammerless.

Wouldn't want it to get caught on the shirt. :)


Geeez. I'm pretty sure I've never seen a SA hammerless .357 mag. But
there's a lot of pistols I've not seen. If it is hammerless, how do you
cock it?

Oy.

You don't cock it.
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firear...ion&fam lst=9

Thank you.

Intersting Harry has never seen one. They are pretty common.

Oh deer!
 

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:11:53 -0400, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:25:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:00:17 -0400, wrote:

The winner was always an old sargent who took his time and shot down
one per round, with a 2" revolver.
I have said for years that the reason is due to 13 round semi-auto
hand guns.

With a revolver, you only have six - makes you concentrate.
One of my favorite gun technique books suggests taking only 6 rounds
to the range, no matter what kind of handgun you're shooting. Good
idea.
All my kids were trained that way. In fact, when my youngest went to
the Academy in SC, he noticed that the more bullets they were issues,
the more the used them.

He took his time, minimum shots and did well.

It's the revolver training.

I have a 9mm Glock, but I never carry it unless I'm in the woods. For
just carrying purposes, it's a .357 mag on a .38 frame.
I wouldn't "carry" a semi without a real safety, either, though I do
like shooting a Glock at the range. Is that a single or double action
.357?
single action hammerless.

Wouldn't want it to get caught on the shirt. :)

Geeez. I'm pretty sure I've never seen a SA hammerless .357 mag. But
there's a lot of pistols I've not seen. If it is hammerless, how do you
cock it?

Oy.

You don't cock it.
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firear...ion&fam lst=9




He said it was SA. I don't have that much experience with revolvers, but
all the SA revolvers I have handled required that one cock the hammer
before one could fire the trigger.

Oh deer!
 

"HK" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:25:54 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:00:17 -0400, wrote:

The winner was always an old sargent who took his time and shot
down
one per round, with a 2" revolver.
I have said for years that the reason is due to 13 round
semi-auto
hand guns.

With a revolver, you only have six - makes you concentrate.
One of my favorite gun technique books suggests taking only 6
rounds to the range, no matter what kind of handgun you're
shooting. Good idea.
All my kids were trained that way. In fact, when my youngest went
to
the Academy in SC, he noticed that the more bullets they were
issues,
the more the used them.

He took his time, minimum shots and did well.

It's the revolver training.

I have a 9mm Glock, but I never carry it unless I'm in the woods.
For
just carrying purposes, it's a .357 mag on a .38 frame.
I wouldn't "carry" a semi without a real safety, either, though I do
like shooting a Glock at the range. Is that a single or double
action .357?
All semis have a "safety". One is the owner (hopefully). The other is
a holster that's correct for the situation at hand. If you still
believe a mechanical safety is needed, please explain why, in light
of the fact that revolvers don't have them.
It takes a bit more effort to fire off a revolver, especially a
single-action revolver which, if I "carried," would be what I would
carry. The Glocks I fire have no more than a five pound trigger pull,
and despite the "famous" Glock trigger mechanism, I can envision ways
it might get snagged or caught somewhere in the process of drawing it.

My two semi-autos have "safeties."
This is silly. If you can't control your finger:

- Don't put your finger inside the trigger guard.
- Get to the hospital. You've had a stroke.

Take up your complaint with Ruger and Sig. :}

This Ruger?
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firear...uncements.html


Nope. Don't have any of those Rugers.

The link was provided as a response to your saying "take up your
complaint...". I had no complaint. What did you mean?