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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 10:51:40 -0000, thunder wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:38:57 -0700, Calif Bill wrote: we are seeing less and less Bambi's in California. Since the eco-nuts have protected the mountain lion, they have done what cats have always done. Make lots more cats. Now they run out of deer to eat, and take out pets and a few hikers. We have endangered Desert Big Horn sheep. Most every fatality of the decreaseing numbers is caused by mountain lions. Which are not that rare here. All the bureaucracies keep denying, but I've been reading of quite a few sightings of mountain lions east of the Mississippi. Except for the Florida Panther, mountain lions are supposed to be extirpated in the east, but I'm starting to doubt it. Don't EVEN get me started on that. Ooops - to late. :) Three years ago when I still had Duke Dogge Dog, I got a call from TK up the street asking me to bring my M1 carbine up because he had a big cat in his heifer pen. I said you mean bobcat, and he said no - mountain lion. Uh uh... We're hearing the same denial from the NY DEC, despite some rather large evidence from experienced trackers. When the occasional hippy tells me I'm paranoid for carrying a gun when I'm hiking into remote fishing areas, I am tempted to pee on their shoes. I always "carry" when I'm out on the trails near the Shenandoah. There have been large cat sightings, but the real threat comes from packs of feral dogs. My buddy's property out there has a genuine bear cave on it, and he's found remnants of deer nearby, but he's not seen the bears and doesn't know what killed and ate the deer. One of my neighbors here claims to have seen a bear tramping through the woods, but I'm not sure about that. I've seen a couple of really large critters off in the distance, too, but I think they were just dogs, though I like to think they were bears. We do have lots of foxes, raccoons, possums, groundhogs, squirrels, pheasants, wild turkeys, et cetera, around here, along with all the "domesticated" horses, cattle, sheep, goats, llamas, ducks, geese and dogs and cats. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
... On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:05:42 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 10:51:40 -0000, thunder wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:38:57 -0700, Calif Bill wrote: we are seeing less and less Bambi's in California. Since the eco-nuts have protected the mountain lion, they have done what cats have always done. Make lots more cats. Now they run out of deer to eat, and take out pets and a few hikers. We have endangered Desert Big Horn sheep. Most every fatality of the decreaseing numbers is caused by mountain lions. Which are not that rare here. All the bureaucracies keep denying, but I've been reading of quite a few sightings of mountain lions east of the Mississippi. Except for the Florida Panther, mountain lions are supposed to be extirpated in the east, but I'm starting to doubt it. Don't EVEN get me started on that. Ooops - to late. :) Three years ago when I still had Duke Dogge Dog, I got a call from TK up the street asking me to bring my M1 carbine up because he had a big cat in his heifer pen. I said you mean bobcat, and he said no - mountain lion. Uh uh... We're hearing the same denial from the NY DEC, despite some rather large evidence from experienced trackers. When the occasional hippy tells me I'm paranoid for carrying a gun when I'm hiking into remote fishing areas, I am tempted to pee on their shoes. You laugh, but State surveyors have started carrying .45 Glocks. And one of the local engineering firms have their surveyors carry 9mm Glocks when they are working in the woods. Nothing to do with mountain lions though. :) Uh uh... For me, it began with some slimeball on a creek. I'd left my tackle box on the bank about 100' away. I turned around and found this guy opening it. We had a talk. He went away. I applied for the pistol permit two days later. A DEC game warden and a trooper in the Adirondack park told me they'd never go unarmed into the woods there. Too many ferile dogs. "Bite me and let's see what happens" is not an acceptable test for rabies, unless you're stupid. |
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On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 08:17:54 -0400, HK wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 10:51:40 -0000, thunder wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:38:57 -0700, Calif Bill wrote: we are seeing less and less Bambi's in California. Since the eco-nuts have protected the mountain lion, they have done what cats have always done. Make lots more cats. Now they run out of deer to eat, and take out pets and a few hikers. We have endangered Desert Big Horn sheep. Most every fatality of the decreaseing numbers is caused by mountain lions. Which are not that rare here. All the bureaucracies keep denying, but I've been reading of quite a few sightings of mountain lions east of the Mississippi. Except for the Florida Panther, mountain lions are supposed to be extirpated in the east, but I'm starting to doubt it. Don't EVEN get me started on that. Ooops - to late. :) Three years ago when I still had Duke Dogge Dog, I got a call from TK up the street asking me to bring my M1 carbine up because he had a big cat in his heifer pen. I said you mean bobcat, and he said no - mountain lion. Uh uh... We're hearing the same denial from the NY DEC, despite some rather large evidence from experienced trackers. When the occasional hippy tells me I'm paranoid for carrying a gun when I'm hiking into remote fishing areas, I am tempted to pee on their shoes. I always "carry" when I'm out on the trails near the Shenandoah. There have been large cat sightings, but the real threat comes from packs of feral dogs. My buddy's property out there has a genuine bear cave on it, and he's found remnants of deer nearby, but he's not seen the bears and doesn't know what killed and ate the deer. How do you know the bear cave is genuine? Does it have a plaque? One of my neighbors here claims to have seen a bear tramping through the woods, but I'm not sure about that. I've seen a couple of really large critters off in the distance, too, but I think they were just dogs, though I like to think they were bears. We do have lots of foxes, raccoons, possums, groundhogs, squirrels, pheasants, wild turkeys, et cetera, around here, along with all the "domesticated" horses, cattle, sheep, goats, llamas, ducks, geese and dogs and cats. Guess I'm lucky Illinois isn't so wild like the jungles of the NE U.S. and the African savannahs. I just "carry" my Star Trek II phaser ray gun to ward off UFO's. Boring. --Vic |
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 08:17:54 -0400, HK wrote: JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 10:51:40 -0000, thunder wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:38:57 -0700, Calif Bill wrote: we are seeing less and less Bambi's in California. Since the eco-nuts have protected the mountain lion, they have done what cats have always done. Make lots more cats. Now they run out of deer to eat, and take out pets and a few hikers. We have endangered Desert Big Horn sheep. Most every fatality of the decreaseing numbers is caused by mountain lions. Which are not that rare here. All the bureaucracies keep denying, but I've been reading of quite a few sightings of mountain lions east of the Mississippi. Except for the Florida Panther, mountain lions are supposed to be extirpated in the east, but I'm starting to doubt it. Don't EVEN get me started on that. Ooops - to late. :) Three years ago when I still had Duke Dogge Dog, I got a call from TK up the street asking me to bring my M1 carbine up because he had a big cat in his heifer pen. I said you mean bobcat, and he said no - mountain lion. Uh uh... We're hearing the same denial from the NY DEC, despite some rather large evidence from experienced trackers. When the occasional hippy tells me I'm paranoid for carrying a gun when I'm hiking into remote fishing areas, I am tempted to pee on their shoes. I always "carry" when I'm out on the trails near the Shenandoah. There have been large cat sightings, but the real threat comes from packs of feral dogs. My buddy's property out there has a genuine bear cave on it, and he's found remnants of deer nearby, but he's not seen the bears and doesn't know what killed and ate the deer. How do you know the bear cave is genuine? Does it have a plaque? One of my neighbors here claims to have seen a bear tramping through the woods, but I'm not sure about that. I've seen a couple of really large critters off in the distance, too, but I think they were just dogs, though I like to think they were bears. We do have lots of foxes, raccoons, possums, groundhogs, squirrels, pheasants, wild turkeys, et cetera, around here, along with all the "domesticated" horses, cattle, sheep, goats, llamas, ducks, geese and dogs and cats. Guess I'm lucky Illinois isn't so wild like the jungles of the NE U.S. and the African savannahs. I just "carry" my Star Trek II phaser ray gun to ward off UFO's. Boring. --Vic The bear cave is genuine. A ranger came out one day to examine the cave, tracks, stool, and some of the remains of eaten animals, and determined there were bears living in the cave off and on. We live out in the country next to woods, forests, farms and Chesapeake Bay. Lots of wildlife. |
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"DownTime" wrote in message
. .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=67160&fr=yvmtf This ought to rile up the mindless inlanders. Onions, cajun spice, 6 rounds, BLAM! Should be easy to get at least two of them. You LIKE to eat them things? Not me, I've tried deer a few times, always from someone who likes to hunt "Here try this, it's my secret recipe". or "It's the wife's speciality". Never once did I go back for seconds. For me, it is all and always too gamey. I may try it again someday, but that's unlikely. I've had venison cooked well, and cooked badly. The latter came from guys who probably can't make toast without poking themselves in the eye. :-) |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=67160&fr=yvmtf This ought to rile up the mindless inlanders. Onions, cajun spice, 6 rounds, BLAM! Should be easy to get at least two of them. You LIKE to eat them things? Not me, I've tried deer a few times, always from someone who likes to hunt "Here try this, it's my secret recipe". or "It's the wife's speciality". Never once did I go back for seconds. For me, it is all and always too gamey. I may try it again someday, but that's unlikely. |
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On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 08:43:52 -0400, HK wrote:
The bear cave is genuine. A ranger came out one day to examine the cave, tracks, stool, and some of the remains of eaten animals, and determined there were bears living in the cave off and on. Was the ranger alone except for the guy with red skin? Your story is beginning to make sense. We live out in the country next to woods, forests, farms and Chesapeake Bay. Lots of wildlife. Same here on the wildlife, but without the other stuff. Oh, and the wildlife is mostly skunks, squirrels, and mice. --Vic |
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DownTime wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=67160&fr=yvmtf This ought to rile up the mindless inlanders. Onions, cajun spice, 6 rounds, BLAM! Should be easy to get at least two of them. You LIKE to eat them things? Not me, I've tried deer a few times, always from someone who likes to hunt "Here try this, it's my secret recipe". or "It's the wife's speciality". Never once did I go back for seconds. For me, it is all and always too gamey. I may try it again someday, but that's unlikely. Ditto. |
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On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 08:52:35 -0400, DownTime
wrote: JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=67160&fr=yvmtf This ought to rile up the mindless inlanders. Onions, cajun spice, 6 rounds, BLAM! Should be easy to get at least two of them. You LIKE to eat them things? Not me, I've tried deer a few times, always from someone who likes to hunt "Here try this, it's my secret recipe". or "It's the wife's speciality". Never once did I go back for seconds. For me, it is all and always too gamey. I may try it again someday, but that's unlikely. I've been to a number of "game dinners" and had a wide variety of dishes, including venison, bear, buffalo and moose. I share your opinion. It makes perfect sense that we grow beef and KFC, and manufacture Cheetos. --Vic |
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 08:43:52 -0400, HK wrote: The bear cave is genuine. A ranger came out one day to examine the cave, tracks, stool, and some of the remains of eaten animals, and determined there were bears living in the cave off and on. Was the ranger alone except for the guy with red skin? Your story is beginning to make sense. We live out in the country next to woods, forests, farms and Chesapeake Bay. Lots of wildlife. Same here on the wildlife, but without the other stuff. Oh, and the wildlife is mostly skunks, squirrels, and mice. --Vic I forgot skunks. We have those, too! The guy's place out at the Shenandoah is along the river and between two heavily wooded mountain ranges. For me, the draw there is the river. It's pretty clean, usually fast running, and offers just terrific canoeing and smallie fishing. |
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... Vic Smith wrote: On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 08:43:52 -0400, HK wrote: The bear cave is genuine. A ranger came out one day to examine the cave, tracks, stool, and some of the remains of eaten animals, and determined there were bears living in the cave off and on. Was the ranger alone except for the guy with red skin? Your story is beginning to make sense. We live out in the country next to woods, forests, farms and Chesapeake Bay. Lots of wildlife. Same here on the wildlife, but without the other stuff. Oh, and the wildlife is mostly skunks, squirrels, and mice. --Vic I forgot skunks. We have those, too! The guy's place out at the Shenandoah is along the river and between two heavily wooded mountain ranges. For me, the draw there is the river. It's pretty clean, usually fast running, and offers just terrific canoeing and smallie fishing. When you see them all at once, it's interesting. Last night, I went out to the veg garden to harass the deer with the Big Time Flashlight. Along with 4 young deer, there were 4 pairs of eyes belonging to creatures about a foot tall. It's getting like a friggin' Disney cartoon around here. |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... Vic Smith wrote: On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 08:43:52 -0400, HK wrote: The bear cave is genuine. A ranger came out one day to examine the cave, tracks, stool, and some of the remains of eaten animals, and determined there were bears living in the cave off and on. Was the ranger alone except for the guy with red skin? Your story is beginning to make sense. We live out in the country next to woods, forests, farms and Chesapeake Bay. Lots of wildlife. Same here on the wildlife, but without the other stuff. Oh, and the wildlife is mostly skunks, squirrels, and mice. --Vic I forgot skunks. We have those, too! The guy's place out at the Shenandoah is along the river and between two heavily wooded mountain ranges. For me, the draw there is the river. It's pretty clean, usually fast running, and offers just terrific canoeing and smallie fishing. When you see them all at once, it's interesting. Last night, I went out to the veg garden to harass the deer with the Big Time Flashlight. Along with 4 young deer, there were 4 pairs of eyes belonging to creatures about a foot tall. It's getting like a friggin' Disney cartoon around here. Raccoons, I bet. |
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On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 09:01:17 -0400, HK wrote:
The guy's place out at the Shenandoah is along the river and between two heavily wooded mountain ranges. For me, the draw there is the river. It's pretty clean, usually fast running, and offers just terrific canoeing and smallie fishing. Wow, never thought you had smallmouth there. Outside of bluegills and rock bass, best fighting fresh water fish - ounce for ounce. You know, I've always wanted to live by Chesapeake Bay, for a lot of reasons. Just seems like a rich place in many ways. If I can't convince my wife to move to Florida, that's the second area I'll work on. --Vic |
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 09:01:17 -0400, HK wrote: The guy's place out at the Shenandoah is along the river and between two heavily wooded mountain ranges. For me, the draw there is the river. It's pretty clean, usually fast running, and offers just terrific canoeing and smallie fishing. Wow, never thought you had smallmouth there. Outside of bluegills and rock bass, best fighting fresh water fish - ounce for ounce. You know, I've always wanted to live by Chesapeake Bay, for a lot of reasons. Just seems like a rich place in many ways. If I can't convince my wife to move to Florida, that's the second area I'll work on. --Vic We lived in Florida for more than five years, in NE Florida, just outside of St. Augustine for most of the time. I enjoyed the weather, which was moderate for Florida (bearable heat, and a spring and fall), the beautiful uncrowded beaches, the fishing, et cetera. Culturally, it was a wasteland, and if you went a bit further north, you were surrounded by simple minded religious zealots. South Florida on the Atlantic Side is a great place to visit in the winter, but too hot for me in the summer. The other south Florida, on the Gulf side, is just too hot and muggy for me most of the year, but some parts of it that haven't been overdeveloped are pretty. The Keys are nice, too, so long as you have a good way to get the hell out of there if a hurricane is coming. A seaplane is best. |
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On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 09:07:38 -0400, HK wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote: When you see them all at once, it's interesting. Last night, I went out to the veg garden to harass the deer with the Big Time Flashlight. Along with 4 young deer, there were 4 pairs of eyes belonging to creatures about a foot tall. It's getting like a friggin' Disney cartoon around here. Raccoons, I bet. Maybe nightmare bar. Heard tell they got 8 eyes and slouch down low fore they pounce. |
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 08:52:35 -0400, DownTime wrote: JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=67160&fr=yvmtf This ought to rile up the mindless inlanders. Onions, cajun spice, 6 rounds, BLAM! Should be easy to get at least two of them. You LIKE to eat them things? Not me, I've tried deer a few times, always from someone who likes to hunt "Here try this, it's my secret recipe". or "It's the wife's speciality". Never once did I go back for seconds. For me, it is all and always too gamey. I may try it again someday, but that's unlikely. I've been to a number of "game dinners" and had a wide variety of dishes, including venison, bear, buffalo and moose. I share your opinion. It makes perfect sense that we grow beef and KFC, and manufacture Cheetos. --Vic Make no mistake, and as JSB just indicated, it is probably more the cook than the ingredients. I've had other so-called exotics; elk, buffalo, bison, wild hog & ostrich, and can state for each, I would have it again if I was in the right location for it. As to seafood, while in Hawaii a few years ago, I had white marlin, marlin, sunfish and each was done right. As to my location comment, it sort of leads me to try various localized specialites: crab while in MD, salmon on the west coast, cold water lobsters in NE, grouper in Florida, & bison/elk in the midwest, etc. To each I usually check for a local micro-brew as well. I much prefer the smaller almost boutique providers, than the stuff produced in quantities to fill in every lake in the land of 10,000 lakes. |
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On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 09:15:51 -0400, HK wrote:
We lived in Florida for more than five years, in NE Florida, just outside of St. Augustine for most of the time. I enjoyed the weather, which was moderate for Florida (bearable heat, and a spring and fall), the beautiful uncrowded beaches, the fishing, et cetera. Culturally, it was a wasteland, and if you went a bit further north, you were surrounded by simple minded religious zealots. South Florida on the Atlantic Side is a great place to visit in the winter, but too hot for me in the summer. The other south Florida, on the Gulf side, is just too hot and muggy for me most of the year, but some parts of it that haven't been overdeveloped are pretty. The Keys are nice, too, so long as you have a good way to get the hell out of there if a hurricane is coming. A seaplane is best. The weather tradeoffs are the most important for me. For years I felt good about living in Chicago, with the museums, opera, playhouses, libraries, restaurants, night life, etc. But I hardly used any of it, just got out of town to go fishing. Of course I'd seen most of the attractions, growing up there. Lots of stuff I'd like to see on the east coast. I've spent time on both sides of Florida and think I like the gulf side because the waters are calmer. But it sure is hot. I've heard good things about the St. Augustine area and should check it out. --Vic |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. We live out in the country next to woods, forests, farms and Chesapeake Bay. Lots of wildlife. When we first moved into a house on a wooded lot after leaving the Navy, we were routinely visited by a large, wild creature who's visits were both annoying and a bit scary at times. After a while though, my mother-in-law came to realize that her daughter was fine, happy and the visits became fewer. Eisboch |
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 09:15:51 -0400, HK wrote: We lived in Florida for more than five years, in NE Florida, just outside of St. Augustine for most of the time. I enjoyed the weather, which was moderate for Florida (bearable heat, and a spring and fall), the beautiful uncrowded beaches, the fishing, et cetera. Culturally, it was a wasteland, and if you went a bit further north, you were surrounded by simple minded religious zealots. South Florida on the Atlantic Side is a great place to visit in the winter, but too hot for me in the summer. The other south Florida, on the Gulf side, is just too hot and muggy for me most of the year, but some parts of it that haven't been overdeveloped are pretty. The Keys are nice, too, so long as you have a good way to get the hell out of there if a hurricane is coming. A seaplane is best. The weather tradeoffs are the most important for me. For years I felt good about living in Chicago, with the museums, opera, playhouses, libraries, restaurants, night life, etc. But I hardly used any of it, just got out of town to go fishing. Of course I'd seen most of the attractions, growing up there. Lots of stuff I'd like to see on the east coast. I've spent time on both sides of Florida and think I like the gulf side because the waters are calmer. But it sure is hot. I've heard good things about the St. Augustine area and should check it out. --Vic Ahh. Chicago. My wife and I love visiting Chicago on business and pleasure. My father in law is a White Sox fan, so he works overtime in his retirement to figure out reasons to take the train there. St. Augustine area has a lot to offer, as does the Fernindina Beach area in extreme NE Florida. The latter somehow has escaped the bible-thumping idjits for the most part. Too many bikinis on the beaches, maybe. For a while, the cops in one of the Jax suburbs were actually arresting babes for wearing "too revealing" swimsuits while at the beach. |
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On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 09:29:08 -0400, DownTime
wrote: Make no mistake, and as JSB just indicated, it is probably more the cook than the ingredients. I've had other so-called exotics; elk, buffalo, bison, wild hog & ostrich, and can state for each, I would have it again if I was in the right location for it. As to seafood, while in Hawaii a few years ago, I had white marlin, marlin, sunfish and each was done right. As to my location comment, it sort of leads me to try various localized specialites: crab while in MD, salmon on the west coast, cold water lobsters in NE, grouper in Florida, & bison/elk in the midwest, etc. To each I usually check for a local micro-brew as well. I much prefer the smaller almost boutique providers, than the stuff produced in quantities to fill in every lake in the land of 10,000 lakes. Agree about the cook, but I've never met a cut of venison that comes close to a good cut of beef. I've had all you mentioned and some more, and the only thing I wouldn't flat turn down is hog and gator. Hell, I don't even like lamb unless it's in gyros. I'm not a gourmet type, but since my wife is a superb professional cook, I don't have to eat out. When we do, it is usually to partake of a local specialty. I had my fill of micro-brewery beer when I was a corporate cog, and never had any beer more satisfying than a Hacker-Pschorr Weissbrau with a slice of lemon in a Chicago bier stube. I always try to have some bottles in the fridge along with some Czech and Polish brews. But I won't turn my nose up at a MGD either. Different strokes. --Vic |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
I don't know what their problems is, but when it takes a kid or small child, I'm not going to say I told you so. There is DNA evidence that their are Mtn. Lions in the NE in general and New England, the question is if they are wildlife or captive animals released into the wild. If the Mtn. Lion is roaming your local woods, it really doesn't matter. http://www.theheartofnewengland.com/...tainlions.html http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04151/324253.stm http://farshores.org/c_mlion2.htm |
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DownTime wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=67160&fr=yvmtf This ought to rile up the mindless inlanders. Onions, cajun spice, 6 rounds, BLAM! Should be easy to get at least two of them. You LIKE to eat them things? Not me, I've tried deer a few times, always from someone who likes to hunt "Here try this, it's my secret recipe". or "It's the wife's speciality". Never once did I go back for seconds. For me, it is all and always too gamey. I may try it again someday, but that's unlikely. I have had Brunswick stew made from venison, it was ok, but nothing special. I am told that the key to get rid of the gameyness is to marinade the meat. I am just glad that some people enjoy venison, because the herd definitely needs thinning out. |
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considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: There are more deer now in the USA than there ever have been. Their natural predators have been eliminated and hunting is not allowed in urban areas. So the deer have learned that they are safe if they stay close to humans in urban areas. If they stray too far into the country, they end up in someones freezer. This is a new rule and nobody has signed on, yet, but it could happen. An Urban Bow & Arrow Season! http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg02_Regs/...ason_Dates.pdf -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- |
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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:24:44 -0400, john penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: There are more deer now in the USA than there ever have been. Their natural predators have been eliminated and hunting is not allowed in urban areas. So the deer have learned that they are safe if they stay close to humans in urban areas. If they stray too far into the country, they end up in someones freezer. This is a new rule and nobody has signed on, yet, but it could happen. An Urban Bow & Arrow Season! http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg02_Regs/...ason_Dates.pdf Gene, There are many public and private lakes (including those run by the C of E's ) that are now allowing or hiring hunters to kill the Canadian Geese that are no longer migrating due to people feeding them. These geese have taken over coves and lakes that would have been a brief stopover on their migratory path, until people thought it would be cute or helpful to feed them. I have seen these geese killed in mass, and it really is not a pretty sight. When people feed wildlife, they are removing the animals nature fear of humans, and it is a recipe for disaster for both the humans they meet and the animals themselves. Harry might think it is cute to feed wildlife, but unfortunately it does not only effect Harry. When an animal bites a neighbor or become sick from not eating a proper diet, it is the animal who will be killed or ends up suffering, not the person who is responsible for this behavior or their inability to fend for themselves. |
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... On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:13:01 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: You laugh, but State surveyors have started carrying .45 Glocks. And one of the local engineering firms have their surveyors carry 9mm Glocks when they are working in the woods. Nothing to do with mountain lions though. :) They think they are going to stop a mountain lion in any meaningful manner with a 9mm? Maybe they view 9mm in the same way as some police departments: Shoot many, many rounds, miss with most, hope the noise gets the target under control. |
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On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 02:29:44 -0000, Tim wrote:
On Sep 5, 3:54 pm, John H. wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:43:10 -0000, wrote: On Sep 5, 3:38 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... On Sep 5, 3:27 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: wrote in message groups.com... On Sep 5, 12:54 pm, Chuck Gould wrote: On Sep 5, 8:34?am, tsi-yu wrote: They are all semi tame. Not much sport in shooting caged bambis. Make that BAM(!)-bye. More and more people can live a lifetime without actually encountering any wildlife. On this coast, more and more wild animals are coming back. I never saw hawks in groups of dozen or coyotes and even bears and lot's of other animals and I spent a lot of time in the woods and fields as a kid. Now, coyotes are quite common all over the state of CT, I have been face to face by the lake. Bears in in NW CT, and even Fisher Cats, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisher_(animal) in the east are making a comback. Deer, and wild turkeys by the score, are not uncommon in Essex, although I have not seen signs of Fox since I have been up north, but I am sure they are still around. I beleive hunting bans are hurting, not helping in many cases. And I do not hunt. gut, clean, eat, sure, just don't ask me to shoot it;) I'm apparently running a zoo here. I've got two coyotes, a huge fox and two small ones, a skunk and some babies, a dozen deer, and a few turkeys (not counting my neighbor across the street who's always trying to kill himself with his extension ladder). I'm happy to have the skunks. I understand they're fond of grubs, and better mousers than cats, something I witnessed for the first time last week. Normally, they poke around the lawn at night, moving maybe an inch every 30 seconds. But one night, I stepped out onto the porch and a skunk came jetting out of nowhere, into the groundcover two feet from the porch. I've never seen a skunk move that fast - like a cat. I just stood real still until it left.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, well a frekin' skunk got my dog one day and before we knew the dog came in the house, what a frekin' mess as she sneased and rolled all over the place. This however was some kind of nulear skunk, it smelled like burnt rubber more than any other skunk I had ever smelled in my life and I an not usually that adverse to the smell of good skunk, but that's another story, this was different, and just hurt your nose. It took us weeks to get the smell out of everything, the stove, carpet, my old pipe, evrything was tainted. A few weeks later we heard squealing of brakes and as we looked outside we noticed our "friend" was now road kill. Send us to hell, but as a family we all stood at the window and cheered;) I don't care how many grubs they eat. You can have em'. As always, the dog was the problem.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - As always, my dog was doing exactly what I told it to do. Which in this case was go outside for a potty. So apparently it was my fault, so be it. I won anyway, guess there is really no justice when it comes to skunks;) They should talk to my kid, I am sure she can find a lobby group to represent them:( Skunks make nice pets. I had one as a kid. It wasn't descented. It got out of its cage (a room in the barn) and got on the neighbor's back porch. The neighbor opened the porch door and scared the poor skunk (Blackie was its name.) Blackie opened fire. The neighbor called my dad. I did some heavy begging and got another chance. So did the skunk. Within a few days, the neighbor called again. Yup, skunk had opened fire again. This time all my begging did no good. Dad shot the skunk. When skunks get shot, everything inside comes outside. I got to clean up the mess and bury Blackie. Sad day. Luckily I caught a baby pigeon within a few days and cheered up. That's another story...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Some people feed them, some people are fed by them. I'd jsut as soon eat one than have it fly though my windshield. A skunk or a pigeon? |
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On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 06:27:29 -0400, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 22:38:57 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: we are seeing less and less Bambi's in California. Since the eco-nuts have protected the mountain lion, they have done what cats have always done. Make lots more cats. Now they run out of deer to eat, and take out pets and a few hikers. We have endangered Desert Big Horn sheep. Most every fatality of the decreaseing numbers is caused by mountain lions. Which are not that rare here. That's interesting, because we're seeing the opposite effect here. The deer herd in CT is higher than it was 50 years ago and in the last 10 years it's expoloded - consider that in 1970 it was 20,000 head. 2000 it was close to 135.000 and estimates that it could go as high as 175,000 by 2010 were wrong - they reached that mark last year. Natural predation is present from coyotes to small feral dog/coyote hybrids and recently, there have been cougar and large bobcat spoor in the area and in other areas of the state. Their impact is small however and the herd keeps growing. Last year was the first open season on doe and there's talk of another open season on doe this year. With all due respect to Harry, feeding the deer is a incredibly ignorant thing to do. Quite beyond taking them to relate to humanity, there is the danger of bacterial infection to humans from exposure to deer hemorrhagic disease. Not to mention Lyme Disease. Not a smart thing to do. We had a choice...feed the homeless deer or feed the homeless Republicans. We made the right choice. Another 'foible' to be overlooked. |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
wrote in message ... On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:13:01 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: You laugh, but State surveyors have started carrying .45 Glocks. And one of the local engineering firms have their surveyors carry 9mm Glocks when they are working in the woods. Nothing to do with mountain lions though. :) They think they are going to stop a mountain lion in any meaningful manner with a 9mm? Maybe they view 9mm in the same way as some police departments: Shoot many, many rounds, miss with most, hope the noise gets the target under control. Most of the cops I see at the range are really *lousy* shots, no matter what they are shooting. I suppose that's why it takes so many of them to kill with 41 shots some poor immigrant they catch in an apartment building foyer doing nothing more deadly than pulling out his wallet and ID. But, hey, if they completely miss with their guns, they can always take him back to the stationhouse and shove a broomstick up his butt. |
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On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:26:44 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III penned
the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: Gene Kearns wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:24:44 -0400, john penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: There are more deer now in the USA than there ever have been. Their natural predators have been eliminated and hunting is not allowed in urban areas. So the deer have learned that they are safe if they stay close to humans in urban areas. If they stray too far into the country, they end up in someones freezer. This is a new rule and nobody has signed on, yet, but it could happen. An Urban Bow & Arrow Season! http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg02_Regs/...ason_Dates.pdf Gene, There are many public and private lakes (including those run by the C of E's ) that are now allowing or hiring hunters to kill the Canadian Geese that are no longer migrating due to people feeding them. These geese have taken over coves and lakes that would have been a brief stopover on their migratory path, until people thought it would be cute or helpful to feed them. I have seen these geese killed in mass, and it really is not a pretty sight. When people feed wildlife, they are removing the animals nature fear of humans, and it is a recipe for disaster for both the humans they meet and the animals themselves. Harry might think it is cute to feed wildlife, but unfortunately it does not only effect Harry. When an animal bites a neighbor or become sick from not eating a proper diet, it is the animal who will be killed or ends up suffering, not the person who is responsible for this behavior or their inability to fend for themselves. I don't disagree with what you have written, but I don't necessarily think it is that simple. The animals were here first, and when we destroy their habitat they make do with what is left.... whether it is our lawn, our vegetable garden, or our flowers. Other problems have been created by eliminating certain predators.... and irrationally restricting the harvesting of some animals. (While allowing commercial harvesting of others to the point of extinction...(for both hunter and prey...eg. the extinct NC Oysterman.)) -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- |
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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:26:44 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: Gene Kearns wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:24:44 -0400, john penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: There are more deer now in the USA than there ever have been. Their natural predators have been eliminated and hunting is not allowed in urban areas. So the deer have learned that they are safe if they stay close to humans in urban areas. If they stray too far into the country, they end up in someones freezer. This is a new rule and nobody has signed on, yet, but it could happen. An Urban Bow & Arrow Season! http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg02_Regs/...ason_Dates.pdf Gene, There are many public and private lakes (including those run by the C of E's ) that are now allowing or hiring hunters to kill the Canadian Geese that are no longer migrating due to people feeding them. These geese have taken over coves and lakes that would have been a brief stopover on their migratory path, until people thought it would be cute or helpful to feed them. I have seen these geese killed in mass, and it really is not a pretty sight. When people feed wildlife, they are removing the animals nature fear of humans, and it is a recipe for disaster for both the humans they meet and the animals themselves. Harry might think it is cute to feed wildlife, but unfortunately it does not only effect Harry. When an animal bites a neighbor or become sick from not eating a proper diet, it is the animal who will be killed or ends up suffering, not the person who is responsible for this behavior or their inability to fend for themselves. I don't disagree with what you have written, but I don't necessarily think it is that simple. The animals were here first, and when we destroy their habitat they make do with what is left.... whether it is our lawn, our vegetable garden, or our flowers. Other problems have been created by eliminating certain predators.... and irrationally restricting the harvesting of some animals. (While allowing commercial harvesting of others to the point of extinction...(for both hunter and prey...eg. the extinct NC Oysterman.)) My fervent hope is that a few dozen of the geese around here that eat the corn people toss out to them stop off during their migration south this winter so they can crap on reggie retardo's head. Reggie apparently *still* believes I care about what he posts. Dumb foch. And the reason we try to help the animals around here, Gene, is precisely as you outlined...the animals were here first, we destroyed they habitat, they suffer because of us. |
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Gene Kearns wrote:
I don't disagree with what you have written, but I don't necessarily think it is that simple. The animals were here first, and when we destroy their habitat they make do with what is left.... whether it is our lawn, our vegetable garden, or our flowers. Other problems have been created by eliminating certain predators.... and irrationally restricting the harvesting of some animals. (While allowing commercial harvesting of others to the point of extinction...(for both hunter and prey...eg. the extinct NC Oysterman.)) I agree the wildlife should be able to use any available habitat even if it is our lawn, our lake, our vegetable garden or our flowers. It is harmful to the animals (according to every wildlife expert in the world) to throw out feed for these animals, to destroy their natural fear of humans and to change their normal feeding and migratory patterns. The problem with Geese isn't when they stop over for a few days to eat, **** and to rest, it is when some idiot starts to feed them and they figure it is easier to eat the easy unhealthy diet, then to migrate and fly 1000's of miles every 6 months. |
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HK wrote:
My fervent hope is that a few dozen of the geese around here that eat the corn people toss out to them stop off during their migration south this winter so they can crap on reggie retardo's head. Harry, I don't post my information for you, because you are too self centered to care what damage you do to the wildlife. I comment on feeding the wildlife because I believe the vast majority of people in here are interested in doing what is best for the animals. Reggie apparently *still* believes I care about what he posts. Dumb foch. Harry, the only reason you live your imaginary persona in rec.boats is because you are desperately seeking emotional support from strangers. And the reason we try to help the animals around here, Gene, is precisely as you outlined...the animals were here first, we destroyed they habitat, they suffer because of us. Harry, Gene did make the observation that we have destroyed their habitat, I don't think he has said he endorses feeding wildlife. Since he appears to be intelligent, I would not expect him to ignore the advice of every wildlife experts and feed or encourage others to feed the wildlife. |
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On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 09:35:14 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
When we first moved into a house on a wooded lot after leaving the Navy, we were routinely visited by a large, wild creature who's visits were both annoying and a bit scary at times. After a while though, my mother-in-law came to realize that her daughter was fine, happy and the visits became fewer. After you stopped feeding her ? |
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On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 09:49:39 -0400, HK wrote:
I've heard good things about the St. Augustine area and should check it out. Too cold in the winter for my tastes although a lovely town and a half decent inlet. There is really no part of Florida that I care to be in the summer months so best to optimize for winter and go north in the summer, far north. |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. Gene Kearns wrote: On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:26:44 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: Gene Kearns wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:24:44 -0400, john penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: There are more deer now in the USA than there ever have been. Their natural predators have been eliminated and hunting is not allowed in urban areas. So the deer have learned that they are safe if they stay close to humans in urban areas. If they stray too far into the country, they end up in someones freezer. This is a new rule and nobody has signed on, yet, but it could happen. An Urban Bow & Arrow Season! http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg02_Regs/...ason_Dates.pdf Gene, There are many public and private lakes (including those run by the C of E's ) that are now allowing or hiring hunters to kill the Canadian Geese that are no longer migrating due to people feeding them. These geese have taken over coves and lakes that would have been a brief stopover on their migratory path, until people thought it would be cute or helpful to feed them. I have seen these geese killed in mass, and it really is not a pretty sight. When people feed wildlife, they are removing the animals nature fear of humans, and it is a recipe for disaster for both the humans they meet and the animals themselves. Harry might think it is cute to feed wildlife, but unfortunately it does not only effect Harry. When an animal bites a neighbor or become sick from not eating a proper diet, it is the animal who will be killed or ends up suffering, not the person who is responsible for this behavior or their inability to fend for themselves. I don't disagree with what you have written, but I don't necessarily think it is that simple. The animals were here first, and when we destroy their habitat they make do with what is left.... whether it is our lawn, our vegetable garden, or our flowers. Other problems have been created by eliminating certain predators.... and irrationally restricting the harvesting of some animals. (While allowing commercial harvesting of others to the point of extinction...(for both hunter and prey...eg. the extinct NC Oysterman.)) My fervent hope is that a few dozen of the geese around here that eat the corn people toss out to them stop off during their migration south this winter so they can crap on reggie retardo's head. Reggie apparently *still* believes I care about what he posts. Dumb foch. And the reason we try to help the animals around here, Gene, is precisely as you outlined...the animals were here first, we destroyed they habitat, they suffer because of us. Actually you are 100% in error. The reason the Northeast and other more northern areas have lots of geese all year is because man has provided lots of habitat, so they do not have to migrate south for winter. Used to be there were few open bodies of fresh water in the northern areas during winter. Now with power plants and industry providing open water with their cooling ponds and the fact that lots of grain and alfalfa is planted, they have water and food. So too many birds stay on too small of an area. Lots of large die offs from Avian Botulism. Too many birds on a pond and the bacteria concentrates in the water. |
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 08:17:54 -0400, HK wrote: JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 10:51:40 -0000, thunder wrote: On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:38:57 -0700, Calif Bill wrote: we are seeing less and less Bambi's in California. Since the eco-nuts have protected the mountain lion, they have done what cats have always done. Make lots more cats. Now they run out of deer to eat, and take out pets and a few hikers. We have endangered Desert Big Horn sheep. Most every fatality of the decreaseing numbers is caused by mountain lions. Which are not that rare here. All the bureaucracies keep denying, but I've been reading of quite a few sightings of mountain lions east of the Mississippi. Except for the Florida Panther, mountain lions are supposed to be extirpated in the east, but I'm starting to doubt it. Don't EVEN get me started on that. Ooops - to late. :) Three years ago when I still had Duke Dogge Dog, I got a call from TK up the street asking me to bring my M1 carbine up because he had a big cat in his heifer pen. I said you mean bobcat, and he said no - mountain lion. Uh uh... We're hearing the same denial from the NY DEC, despite some rather large evidence from experienced trackers. When the occasional hippy tells me I'm paranoid for carrying a gun when I'm hiking into remote fishing areas, I am tempted to pee on their shoes. I always "carry" when I'm out on the trails near the Shenandoah. There have been large cat sightings, but the real threat comes from packs of feral dogs. My buddy's property out there has a genuine bear cave on it, and he's found remnants of deer nearby, but he's not seen the bears and doesn't know what killed and ate the deer. How do you know the bear cave is genuine? Does it have a plaque? One of my neighbors here claims to have seen a bear tramping through the woods, but I'm not sure about that. I've seen a couple of really large critters off in the distance, too, but I think they were just dogs, though I like to think they were bears. We do have lots of foxes, raccoons, possums, groundhogs, squirrels, pheasants, wild turkeys, et cetera, around here, along with all the "domesticated" horses, cattle, sheep, goats, llamas, ducks, geese and dogs and cats. Guess I'm lucky Illinois isn't so wild like the jungles of the NE U.S. and the African savannahs. I just "carry" my Star Trek II phaser ray gun to ward off UFO's. Boring. --Vic In the 70s my Uncle ran an Orchard in lower Indiana. Now we all know wolves are extinct in the East, don't we? I told my Cousin ah bull it's just foxes. We didn't have Coyotes either back then. I went with them to a gully in the middle of the orchard. I watched, with them wolves for quite some time. The orchard is long gone as are they, turned into a leveled corn field. Others and I have seen cougars, in our neck of the woods. Twenty years ago. I;m not going to call anybody. Just let them alone and do their thing. |
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On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 17:22:33 -0400, HK wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote: On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:26:44 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: Gene Kearns wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:24:44 -0400, john penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: There are more deer now in the USA than there ever have been. Their natural predators have been eliminated and hunting is not allowed in urban areas. So the deer have learned that they are safe if they stay close to humans in urban areas. If they stray too far into the country, they end up in someones freezer. This is a new rule and nobody has signed on, yet, but it could happen. An Urban Bow & Arrow Season! http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg02_Regs/...ason_Dates.pdf Gene, There are many public and private lakes (including those run by the C of E's ) that are now allowing or hiring hunters to kill the Canadian Geese that are no longer migrating due to people feeding them. These geese have taken over coves and lakes that would have been a brief stopover on their migratory path, until people thought it would be cute or helpful to feed them. I have seen these geese killed in mass, and it really is not a pretty sight. When people feed wildlife, they are removing the animals nature fear of humans, and it is a recipe for disaster for both the humans they meet and the animals themselves. Harry might think it is cute to feed wildlife, but unfortunately it does not only effect Harry. When an animal bites a neighbor or become sick from not eating a proper diet, it is the animal who will be killed or ends up suffering, not the person who is responsible for this behavior or their inability to fend for themselves. I don't disagree with what you have written, but I don't necessarily think it is that simple. The animals were here first, and when we destroy their habitat they make do with what is left.... whether it is our lawn, our vegetable garden, or our flowers. Other problems have been created by eliminating certain predators.... and irrationally restricting the harvesting of some animals. (While allowing commercial harvesting of others to the point of extinction...(for both hunter and prey...eg. the extinct NC Oysterman.)) My fervent hope is that a few dozen of the geese around here that eat the corn people toss out to them stop off during their migration south this winter so they can crap on reggie retardo's head. Reggie apparently *still* believes I care about what he posts. Dumb foch. And the reason we try to help the animals around here, Gene, is precisely as you outlined...the animals were here first, we destroyed they habitat, they suffer because of us. There are huge amounts of habitat along west side of the Chesapeake south of Chesapeake Beach. Hopefully someone will put Breezy Point, MD, in Mapquest and look at the satellite view. But, I forget, one of your more noteworthy 'foibles' (which many of us *don't* have) is a propensity to twist the truth to suit. Stop bull****ting the troops, Harry. Some of us know better. |
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On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:29:07 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Gene Kearns wrote: On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:26:44 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: Gene Kearns wrote: On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:24:44 -0400, john penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: There are more deer now in the USA than there ever have been. Their natural predators have been eliminated and hunting is not allowed in urban areas. So the deer have learned that they are safe if they stay close to humans in urban areas. If they stray too far into the country, they end up in someones freezer. This is a new rule and nobody has signed on, yet, but it could happen. An Urban Bow & Arrow Season! http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg02_Regs/...ason_Dates.pdf Gene, There are many public and private lakes (including those run by the C of E's ) that are now allowing or hiring hunters to kill the Canadian Geese that are no longer migrating due to people feeding them. These geese have taken over coves and lakes that would have been a brief stopover on their migratory path, until people thought it would be cute or helpful to feed them. I have seen these geese killed in mass, and it really is not a pretty sight. When people feed wildlife, they are removing the animals nature fear of humans, and it is a recipe for disaster for both the humans they meet and the animals themselves. Harry might think it is cute to feed wildlife, but unfortunately it does not only effect Harry. When an animal bites a neighbor or become sick from not eating a proper diet, it is the animal who will be killed or ends up suffering, not the person who is responsible for this behavior or their inability to fend for themselves. I don't disagree with what you have written, but I don't necessarily think it is that simple. The animals were here first, and when we destroy their habitat they make do with what is left.... whether it is our lawn, our vegetable garden, or our flowers. Other problems have been created by eliminating certain predators.... and irrationally restricting the harvesting of some animals. (While allowing commercial harvesting of others to the point of extinction...(for both hunter and prey...eg. the extinct NC Oysterman.)) My fervent hope is that a few dozen of the geese around here that eat the corn people toss out to them stop off during their migration south this winter so they can crap on reggie retardo's head. Reggie apparently *still* believes I care about what he posts. Dumb foch. And the reason we try to help the animals around here, Gene, is precisely as you outlined...the animals were here first, we destroyed they habitat, they suffer because of us. Actually you are 100% in error. The reason the Northeast and other more northern areas have lots of geese all year is because man has provided lots of habitat, so they do not have to migrate south for winter. Used to be there were few open bodies of fresh water in the northern areas during winter. Now with power plants and industry providing open water with their cooling ponds and the fact that lots of grain and alfalfa is planted, they have water and food. So too many birds stay on too small of an area. Lots of large die offs from Avian Botulism. Too many birds on a pond and the bacteria concentrates in the water. Ditto with deer, groundhogs, raccoons, squirrels, and a host of other animals we shouldn't be feeding. |
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