"HK" wrote in message
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:22:26 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

NOAA must be getting desperate this late into the season that their
predictions for named storms is jetting into the crapper. They
already named one Sub Tropical Storm, first of the TD of the season -
now there is this one.

Yes, and the next thing you know we'll be seeing another well
researched article showing that the number of tropical storms has
doubled.


Why worry? With all the poisonous foods and dangerous products being
imported from China, dangerous Rx drugs flooding our country, record
foreclosures, and millions of jobs being exported by corporate America,
we'll all be scrounging a third-world existence soon.


And after year 2012 all will be fine.

http://survive2012.com/

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:34:03 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

The fact that they are changing the rules may affect things far beyond
the obvious......

Agreed.

By their criteria, the storm of November 10th, 1975 in Lake Superior
should have been called a hurricane rather than a gale.

The proper terminology should be gale.

A gale is a very strong wind of at least 28 knots, 32 mph, or 51 km/h;
and up to 55 knots, 63 mph, or 102 km/h.

It is divided into three or four categories:

A moderate gale or near gale is up to 33 kt., 38 mph, or 61 km/h, and
a small craft advisory is issued.
A fresh gale or just gale is 34~40 kt., 39~46 mph, or 62~74 km/h, and
a gale warning is issued.
A strong gale is 41~47 kt., 47~54 mph, or 75~88 km/h, and usually a
gale warning is issued or maintained.
A whole gale or storm is 48 kt., 55 mph, or 89 km/h or greater, and a
storm warning is issued.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :)

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:46:49 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:57:11 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:34:03 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

The fact that they are changing the rules may affect things far beyond
the obvious......

Agreed.

By their criteria, the storm of November 10th, 1975 in Lake Superior
should have been called a hurricane rather than a gale.

The proper terminology should be gale.

A gale is a very strong wind of at least 28 knots, 32 mph, or 51 km/h;
and up to 55 knots, 63 mph, or 102 km/h.

It is divided into three or four categories:

A moderate gale or near gale is up to 33 kt., 38 mph, or 61 km/h, and
a small craft advisory is issued.
A fresh gale or just gale is 34~40 kt., 39~46 mph, or 62~74 km/h, and
a gale warning is issued.
A strong gale is 41~47 kt., 47~54 mph, or 75~88 km/h, and usually a
gale warning is issued or maintained.
A whole gale or storm is 48 kt., 55 mph, or 89 km/h or greater, and a
storm warning is issued.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :)

I was in a storm in South Dakota last week that was every bit as
strong as several named storms I have been in. Lots of hail, 50-60mph
gusts and raining so hard I couldn't see across the road I was parked
next to. I seriously thought about putting that 4wd suburban in the
ditch if I heard the "freight train" coming.
It only lasted about 5 minutes but it was nasty. The difference
between that and a typical Florida afternoon storm was very little
lightning.

I spent the first twelve years of my life in the Midwest and I totally
agree.

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On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:34:03 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:



I really wish I understood this. It is difficult enough trying to
compare observational data pre-satellite to the modern forecasting
tools without changing the rules enroute.

Apparently the rules changed in 2002, but I really don't know the
reason why.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subtropical_cyclone

Not to be a conspiracy theorist... and not being able to sort out the
chicken-and-egg aspect of this... however, it should be noted that
"naming" a storm may trigger specific clauses in many insurance
policies. Also, recently, there has been a class of insurance that
specifically covers hurricanes (which are generally define by having
been "named").
http://www.iii.org/media/hottopics/i...icanwindstorm/

The fact that they are changing the rules may affect things far beyond
the obvious......

That is certainly true in Florida. Your homeowners does not cover
damage from a "named storm". You need windstorm insurance. Like
"flood" that is a separate policy and windstorm may have a 5-10%
deductible.

My understanding is that it there has to be "hurricane" warnings, not just a
named storm, some where in the state of Florida.

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:45:56 -0400, D.Duck penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


My understanding is that it there has to be "hurricane" warnings, not just
a
named storm, some where in the state of Florida.


Would not the warning of a "hurricane" be the warning of a named
storm, since hurricanes are always named?

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My point is that some where in the state of Florida hurricane warnings have
to be "posted" by NOAA. Just a named hurricane some where in the area does
not trigger the "hurricane deductible" in my policy. The hurricane
provisions of the policy remain in affect for 72 hours after the warning(s)
are lifted.

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 10:53:42 -0400, D.Duck penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

My point is that some where in the state of Florida hurricane warnings
have
to be "posted" by NOAA. Just a named hurricane some where in the area
does
not trigger the "hurricane deductible" in my policy. The hurricane
provisions of the policy remain in affect for 72 hours after the
warning(s)
are lifted.

Where is this posted? Perhaps this declaration affects some of the
other posters....

I know my homeowners insurance is "locked" to any changes once a storm
crosses a certain latitude, but I've never considered that there was
any period of special clause exposure after the event (not sure how
they tell 72 hours from ??).

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The following link shows the hurricane and windstorm deductible particulars
for several Atlantic states.

For Florida the 72 hour period ends after the watch/warning is lifted.


http://www.iii.org/media/hottopics/i...icanwindstorm/


FLORIDA HURRICANE DEDUCTIBLES

Hurricane deductibles are percentage or dollar deductibles that are higher
than for other causes of loss. They are calculated as a percentage of the
dollar amount of coverage on the dwelling or as a flat dollar amount. By
Florida statute, the application of hurricane deductibles is triggered by
windstorm losses resulting from "a storm system that has been declared to be
a hurricane by the National Hurricane Center of the National Weather
Service." They take effect "at the time a hurricane watch or warning is
issued for any part of Florida" and remain in effect "for the time period
during which the hurricane conditions exist anywhere in Florida," ending 72
hours following the termination of the last hurricane watch or warning. Wind
damage from storm systems other than declared hurricanes is not subject to
the hurricane deductible but to the general deductible. Hurricane
deductibles-as shown in the chart below-and their triggers are set by law
and are the same for the private, or regular market, as well as Florida's
Citizens Property Insurance Corporation, the state-run program which
provides homeowners insurance to consumers. Homeowners pay the deductible
only once during a hurricane season.

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 13:06:51 -0400, D.Duck penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 10:53:42 -0400, D.Duck penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

My point is that some where in the state of Florida hurricane warnings
have
to be "posted" by NOAA. Just a named hurricane some where in the area
does
not trigger the "hurricane deductible" in my policy. The hurricane
provisions of the policy remain in affect for 72 hours after the
warning(s)
are lifted.

Where is this posted? Perhaps this declaration affects some of the
other posters....


That is the link I originally included in my post. It appears to me
that the FL trigger is that the "...storm system ... has been declared
to be a hurricane by the National Hurricane Center..."


The "trigger" in Florida for "hurricane deductibles" to kick in is issuing a
hurricane (not tropical storm) "watch or warning" any where in the state.
Just "naming" a storm doesn't do anything to the deductibles. What you left
out from your quote above is the following:

....."They take effect "at the time a hurricane watch or warning is issued
for any part of Florida"....


This clause seems to be terribly insurance company friendly...

"[Hurricane deductibles] take effect "at the time a hurricane watch or
warning is issued for any part of Florida" and remain in effect "for
the time period during which the hurricane conditions exist anywhere
in Florida," ending 72 hours following the termination of the last
hurricane watch or warning."


I agree that the 72 hour post warning/watch lifting is quite insurance
company friendly.


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Homepage
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