NOAA getting desperate?
 

Ok, somebody explain to me how it is that an ocean storm located at
37.8N, 64.9W is a Tropical Depression.

Go ahead - I'll wait.

Ah - well that's because it's a SUB tropical Depression and thus just
an ocean storm.

NOAA must be getting desperate this late into the season that their
predictions for named storms is jetting into the crapper. They
already named one Sub Tropical Storm, first of the TD of the season -
now there is this one.

And yeah, yeah, I know - height of the season is coming, yada, yada,
yada.

I'm just saying... :)

NOAA getting desperate?
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Ok, somebody explain to me how it is that an ocean storm located at
37.8N, 64.9W is a Tropical Depression.

Go ahead - I'll wait.

Ah - well that's because it's a SUB tropical Depression and thus just
an ocean storm.

NOAA must be getting desperate this late into the season that their
predictions for named storms is jetting into the crapper. They
already named one Sub Tropical Storm, first of the TD of the season -
now there is this one.

And yeah, yeah, I know - height of the season is coming, yada, yada,
yada.

I'm just saying... :)
Tom,
while I am not certain when these definition of Tropical Cyclone and
Tropical Depression originated, but based upon NOAA definitions it is a
tropical Depression if the Cyclone develops in tropical or Sub-Tropical
waters.

Tropical Cyclone:
A warm-core non-frontal synoptic-scale cyclone, originating over
tropical or subtropical waters, with organized deep convection and a
closed surface wind circulation about a well-defined center. Once
formed, a tropical cyclone is maintained by the extraction of heat
energy from the ocean at high temperature and heat export at the low
temperatures of the upper troposphere. In this they differ from
extratropical cyclones, which derive their energy from horizontal
temperature contrasts in the atmosphere (baroclinic effects

Tropical Depression:
A tropical cyclone in which the maximum sustained surface wind speed
(using the U.S. 1-minute average) is 33 kt (38 mph or 62 km/hr) or less.

NOAA getting desperate?
 

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Ok, somebody explain to me how it is that an ocean storm located at
37.8N, 64.9W is a Tropical Depression.

Go ahead - I'll wait.

Ah - well that's because it's a SUB tropical Depression and thus just
an ocean storm.

NOAA must be getting desperate this late into the season that their
predictions for named storms is jetting into the crapper. They
already named one Sub Tropical Storm, first of the TD of the season -
now there is this one.

And yeah, yeah, I know - height of the season is coming, yada, yada,
yada.

I'm just saying... :)
Tom,
while I am not certain when these definition of Tropical Cyclone and
Tropical Depression originated, but based upon NOAA definitions it is a
tropical Depression if the Cyclone develops in tropical or Sub-Tropical
waters.

Tropical Cyclone:
A warm-core non-frontal synoptic-scale cyclone, originating over
tropical or subtropical waters, with organized deep convection and a
closed surface wind circulation about a well-defined center. Once
formed, a tropical cyclone is maintained by the extraction of heat
energy from the ocean at high temperature and heat export at the low
temperatures of the upper troposphere. In this they differ from
extratropical cyclones, which derive their energy from horizontal
temperature contrasts in the atmosphere (baroclinic effects

Tropical Depression:
A tropical cyclone in which the maximum sustained surface wind speed
(using the U.S. 1-minute average) is 33 kt (38 mph or 62 km/hr) or less.

This definition from ( http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/A1.html)
goes back to at least 1993, so it really isn't a new definition for
Tropical Storm.

The terms "hurricane" and "typhoon" are regionally specific names for a
strong "tropical cyclone". A tropical cyclone is the generic term for a
non-frontal synoptic scale low-pressure system over tropical or
sub-tropical waters with organized convection (i.e. thunderstorm
activity) and definite cyclonic surface wind circulation (Holland 1993).

Tropical cyclones with maximum sustained surface winds of less than 17
m/s (34 kt, 39 mph) are called "tropical depressions" (This is not to be
confused with the condition mid-latitude people get during a long, cold
and grey winter wishing they could be closer to the equator ;-)). Once
the tropical cyclone reaches winds of at least 17 m/s (34 kt, 39 mph)
they are typically called a "tropical storm" and assigned a name. If
winds reach 33 m/s (64 kt, 74 mph)), then they are called:

"hurricane" (the North Atlantic Ocean, the Northeast Pacific Ocean east
of the dateline, or the South Pacific Ocean east of 160E)
"typhoon" (the Northwest Pacific Ocean west of the dateline)
"severe tropical cyclone" (the Southwest Pacific Ocean west of 160E or
Southeast Indian Ocean east of 90E)
"severe cyclonic storm" (the North Indian Ocean)
"tropical cyclone" (the Southwest Indian Ocean)
(Neumann 1993).

NOAA getting desperate?
 

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:22:26 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

NOAA must be getting desperate this late into the season that their
predictions for named storms is jetting into the crapper. They
already named one Sub Tropical Storm, first of the TD of the season -
now there is this one.

Yes, and the next thing you know we'll be seeing another well
researched article showing that the number of tropical storms has
doubled.

NOAA getting desperate?
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:22:26 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

NOAA must be getting desperate this late into the season that their
predictions for named storms is jetting into the crapper. They
already named one Sub Tropical Storm, first of the TD of the season -
now there is this one.

Yes, and the next thing you know we'll be seeing another well
researched article showing that the number of tropical storms has
doubled.

Wayne,
From what I can tell, the current definition of tropical storm goes
back to at least 1992, and probably is older. It describes a type of
storm, and the intensity of the storm and includes storms that develop
in the Tropics or the Subtropics. While the conditions are greatest for
a Tropical Storm to originate in the Tropics, it is not limited to the
Tropics.

NOAA getting desperate?
 

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:22:26 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

NOAA must be getting desperate this late into the season that their
predictions for named storms is jetting into the crapper. They
already named one Sub Tropical Storm, first of the TD of the season -
now there is this one.

Yes, and the next thing you know we'll be seeing another well
researched article showing that the number of tropical storms has
doubled.

Wayne,
From what I can tell, the current definition of tropical storm goes
back to at least 1992, and probably is older. It describes a type of
storm, and the intensity of the storm and includes storms that develop
in the Tropics or the Subtropics. While the conditions are greatest for
a Tropical Storm to originate in the Tropics, it is not limited to the
Tropics.


Wayne and Tom,
It appears that the definition used to include historical Tropical
Storms and Hurricanes from 1886 forward is the same one used today.

3. Data

a. Atlantic Basin Tropical Cyclones

The positions and intensities (sustained wind speed and minimum surface
pressure) of all Atlantic basin tropical cyclones of at least tropical
storm strength have been archived and are continually being updated by
the National Hurricane Center (NHC) in Miami, Florida. (The `Atlantic
basin' is defined as the tropical and subtropical regions north of the
equator in the Atlantic Ocean, the Caribbean Sea, and the Gulf of
Mexico.) This data set extends from 1886 to 1990 and is described in
detail by Jarvinen et al. (1984). This ``Best Track'' data set (as it is
known since it is composed of the ``best'' estimate of positions and
intensities in a post-analysis of all data available) or HURDAT (short
for HURricane DATa) has been used quite extensively in our Tropical
Meteorology Project at Colorado State University.

We have followed the recommendations by Neumann et al. (1987) to use
tropical cyclone statistics based upon data since the mid-1940's, when
organized aircraft reconnaissance began, since this ``probably best
represents Atlantic tropical cyclone frequencies''. The same logic
follows for the day to day assessment of the intensity of individual
storms; again because in the earlier period ``storms that were detected
could have been mis-classified as to intensity''.

from:

http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/Landsea/sahel/index.html

NOAA getting desperate?
 

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:22:26 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

NOAA must be getting desperate this late into the season that their
predictions for named storms is jetting into the crapper. They
already named one Sub Tropical Storm, first of the TD of the season -
now there is this one.

Yes, and the next thing you know we'll be seeing another well
researched article showing that the number of tropical storms has
doubled.


Why worry? With all the poisonous foods and dangerous products being
imported from China, dangerous Rx drugs flooding our country, record
foreclosures, and millions of jobs being exported by corporate America,
we'll all be scrounging a third-world existence soon.

NOAA getting desperate?
 

"HK" wrote in message
...
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:22:26 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

NOAA must be getting desperate this late into the season that their
predictions for named storms is jetting into the crapper. They
already named one Sub Tropical Storm, first of the TD of the season -
now there is this one.

Yes, and the next thing you know we'll be seeing another well
researched article showing that the number of tropical storms has
doubled.


Why worry? With all the poisonous foods and dangerous products being
imported from China, dangerous Rx drugs flooding our country, record
foreclosures, and millions of jobs being exported by corporate America,
we'll all be scrounging a third-world existence soon.


And after year 2012 all will be fine.

http://survive2012.com/

NOAA getting desperate?
 

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 06:52:45 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Tropical Depression:
A tropical cyclone in which the maximum sustained surface wind speed
(using the U.S. 1-minute average) is 33 kt (38 mph or 62 km/hr) or less.

Yes Chuck.

NOAA getting desperate?
 

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 06:59:50 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

(Neumann 1993).

Yes Chuck.