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Marine Diesel Prices are Outrageous
The cost of marine diesel for your boat is outrageous these days. I am all
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Verizon News wrote:
The cost of marine diesel for your boat is outrageous these days. I am all for businesses making an honest buck and I am all for http://www.billharder.com/boating/39...are-outrageous Here's a suggestion. Next time there is a national election, work to defeat GOP oil whore candidates like Bush and Cheney, who hold secret meetings with the petrol industry to establish a "national energy policy" aimed at enriching big oil at the expense of everyone else. Work to elect populist candidates who will work to moderate rapacious corporations and who will not be afraid to impose excess profits taxes on those screwing the public. |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. Verizon News wrote: The cost of marine diesel for your boat is outrageous these days. I am all for businesses making an honest buck and I am all for http://www.billharder.com/boating/39...are-outrageous Here's a suggestion. Next time there is a national election, work to defeat GOP oil whore candidates like Bush and Cheney, who hold secret meetings with the petrol industry to establish a "national energy policy" aimed at enriching big oil at the expense of everyone else. Work to elect populist candidates who will work to moderate rapacious corporations and who will not be afraid to impose excess profits taxes on those screwing the public. ROTF. For a minute there I thought you were serious. |
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HK wrote:
Here's a suggestion. Next time there is a national election, work to defeat GOP oil whore candidates like Bush and Cheney, who hold secret meetings with the petrol industry to establish a "national energy policy" aimed at enriching big oil at the expense of everyone else. Work to elect populist candidates who will work to moderate rapacious corporations and who will not be afraid to impose excess profits taxes on those screwing the public. Truly they are demons from Hell set upon us by Satan to oppress the honest working man whose wife can't stand heeling over - and nobody else! These demons don't even know the difference between the petroleum industry and the petrol industry because on their way up from Hell they passed through London. If only Algore were president then we'd have free petrol, the children would all be strong and straight, flowers would bloom in all seasons, the honeybees would offer us free honey, spiders would sing the national anthem, al Queda would decide to quit their mischiefs and instead become florists.... why oh why did the demons have to visit upon us at this otherwise wonderful era? The world wonders. |
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On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:57:40 -0600, Paul Cassel wrote:
snnnip you do know you're retarded yes? kinda like a lucid dream...but it's not |
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"Verizon News" wrote in message news:%NOni.4475$SM6.2392@trnddc01... The cost of marine diesel for your boat is outrageous these days. I am all for businesses making an honest buck and I am all for http://www.billharder.com/boating/39...are-outrageous Anybody who buys a trawler deserves to pay out the ass for his fuel. Those trawlers are ugly, smelly, noisy and make about as much sense on the water as driving a semi tractor on the road for your road trip vacations. I have no sympathy for anybody who runs a diesel engine for recreational purposes. Don't you realize how much pollution a marine diesel engine produces? It's totally selfish and irresponsible. Anybody running a marine diesel for recreational purposes is sick in my opinion. No regard whatsoever for clean air and a clean marine environment. When somebody's 'fun' takes precedence over my rights (to a clean environment) then I cannot excuse such hedonism. I wish they'd jack the price of recreational marine diesel up to about fifty bucks a gallon. Maybe people would be forced to buy environmentally friendly sailboats that use small, clean-air, 4-stroke, gasoline outboards when needed but use sails most of the time. When your 'cruising' is a blatant act of pollution and you don't even realize it then you're just clueless and nobody I want to associate with.... Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 18:18:48 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Verizon News" wrote in message news:%NOni.4475$SM6.2392@trnddc01... The cost of marine diesel for your boat is outrageous these days. I am all for businesses making an honest buck and I am all for http://www.billharder.com/boating/39...are-outrageous Anybody who buys a trawler deserves to pay out the ass for his fuel. Those trawlers are ugly, smelly, noisy and make about as much sense on the water as driving a semi tractor on the road for your road trip vacations. I have no sympathy for anybody who runs a diesel engine for recreational purposes. Don't you realize how much pollution a marine diesel engine produces? It's totally selfish and irresponsible. Anybody running a marine diesel for recreational purposes is sick in my opinion. No regard whatsoever for clean air and a clean marine environment. When somebody's 'fun' takes precedence over my rights (to a clean environment) then I cannot excuse such hedonism. I wish they'd jack the price of recreational marine diesel up to about fifty bucks a gallon. Maybe people would be forced to buy environmentally friendly sailboats that use small, clean-air, 4-stroke, gasoline outboards when needed but use sails most of the time. When your 'cruising' is a blatant act of pollution and you don't even realize it then you're just clueless and nobody I want to associate with.... Wilbur Hubbard Wilber old buddy, your ideas have some validity when applied to a skiff but don't work so well when you are talking about a 40 ft. 7 ton sailboat. In addition, if you ever start really cruising you will discover that sometimes the wind just doesn't blow and after you have been becalmed for a few days in the S. China Sea, as a buddy of mine just did, you'll probably want to start motoring toward somewhere you think you might be able to buy some grub and your little outboard just isn't going to cut it. By the way, if your theory about motor boats was really correct the world's ocean freight would still be carried on sailing ships..... Bruce in Bangkok (brucepaigeatgmaildotcom) -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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"Bruce" wrote in message ... On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 18:18:48 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Verizon News" wrote in message news:%NOni.4475$SM6.2392@trnddc01... The cost of marine diesel for your boat is outrageous these days. I am all for businesses making an honest buck and I am all for http://www.billharder.com/boating/39...are-outrageous Anybody who buys a trawler deserves to pay out the ass for his fuel. Those trawlers are ugly, smelly, noisy and make about as much sense on the water as driving a semi tractor on the road for your road trip vacations. I have no sympathy for anybody who runs a diesel engine for recreational purposes. Don't you realize how much pollution a marine diesel engine produces? It's totally selfish and irresponsible. Anybody running a marine diesel for recreational purposes is sick in my opinion. No regard whatsoever for clean air and a clean marine environment. When somebody's 'fun' takes precedence over my rights (to a clean environment) then I cannot excuse such hedonism. I wish they'd jack the price of recreational marine diesel up to about fifty bucks a gallon. Maybe people would be forced to buy environmentally friendly sailboats that use small, clean-air, 4-stroke, gasoline outboards when needed but use sails most of the time. When your 'cruising' is a blatant act of pollution and you don't even realize it then you're just clueless and nobody I want to associate with.... Wilbur Hubbard Wilber old buddy, your ideas have some validity when applied to a skiff but don't work so well when you are talking about a 40 ft. 7 ton sailboat. In addition, if you ever start really cruising you will discover that sometimes the wind just doesn't blow and after you have been becalmed for a few days in the S. China Sea, as a buddy of mine just did, you'll probably want to start motoring toward somewhere you think you might be able to buy some grub and your little outboard just isn't going to cut it. By the way, if your theory about motor boats was really correct the world's ocean freight would still be carried on sailing ships..... I made the distinction quite clear with regards to 'recreational' use of marine diesel engines. Just like truck freight over the road depends of big diesel rigs so does freight over the oceans. In my opinion, it is an acceptable compromise to use diesel engines for commerce although I would like to see emission standards tightened up. But, when it comes to recreational use of diesel engines in boats I find this to be totally unacceptable. The typical marine recreational diesel meets NO emission standards that I know of. They are often old, decrepit, in ill-repair and in need of an overhaul. Visible smoke is more the rule than the exception. The stench of them is enough to sicken even the crew. And people continue to use them for recreational purposes. In other words, strictly for selfish reasons - their 'fun.' I find this appalling. That people would knowingly pollute the air and water during any 'optional' activity tells me these people have no regard for anybody but their own selfish selves. If they were responsible human beings they would use an engine that meets or exceeds current emission standards. That means a late-model gasoline engine. And don't tell me no such engines exist for marine use. The choice of a diesel engine is the wrong choice when looked at from the environmental standpoint. One other thing, if one can't abide being becalmed from time to time then don't take up sailing. Wilbur Hubbard |
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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
I find this appalling. That people would knowingly pollute the air and water during any 'optional' activity tells me these people have no regard for anybody but their own selfish selves. If they were responsible human beings they would use an engine that meets or exceeds current emission standards. That means a late-model gasoline engine. And don't tell me no such engines exist for marine use. The choice of a diesel engine is the wrong choice when looked at from the environmental standpoint. One other thing, if one can't abide being becalmed from time to time then don't take up sailing. There are unresolved safety issues with gasoline engines. You can very well say that sailing with a petrol engine is irresponsible because you can blow yourself, your family and others near you up. Also consider that if a tank of gasoline blows up, there are no pollution controls on that. I'm in agreement that diesel engines are disgusting polluters, but they are all we have in marine life. We can either use them or use nothing, IMO. I won't sail with petrol engines due to the safety issue. I have twice been personal witness to yachts exploding due to petrol fumes - both times with deaths. Also the least of my problems when sailing is becoming becalmed. I need my axillary to safely maneuver in tight places to assure safety to others in the area. I may need it to claw off a lee shore and in fact have. Yes, the old timers used sail only and there are wrecks on those lee shores to prove it. I don't want to join them. Now, instead of railing against we who see things differently from you, if you choose to lobby for pollution controls on all diesels, then we can form common cause. Else, sail away. |
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Paul Cassel wrote:
Now, instead of railing against we who see things differently from you, if you choose to lobby for pollution controls on all diesels, then we can form common cause. Else, sail away. Nice try, and well stated, Paul. But that's all this Wilbur guy does. Richard |
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