Chuck Gould wrote:
On Apr 29, 11:29?am, JR North wrote:
Just who do you expect is
stupid (and rich) enough to fork over 120k (that's unfinanced) to do the
trailer boat thing? Buy a brand new truck to tow the boat? Come ON.....
JR


Maybe the guys in the market for used boats like this one?

http://tinyurl.com/2gv66f


Somehow I just can't quite see that going down the road behind a $2000
beater truck. Not saying it wouldn't or couldn't happen, but I would
be surprised to see it done routinely.

And, heck yes it's possible to boat really, really, cheaply. Strap a
little car-topper upside down over an 88 Honda Accord and head for the
beach. When there, row around or hang a 3-5 HP outboard on the back.
It doesn't have to be expensive, it's just that most folks prefer
something above a minimalist experience.




I doubt most guys who buy 28' Gradys trailer them very far, if at all,
Dr. Spam. Gradys are pretty popular around here, and that includes the
larger ones. Most are slipped at marinas. Some are kept at storage lots
adjacent to marinas. You don't need much of a truck to get your boat
from the storage lot to the ramp. And if the ramps are decent, you
typically do not need a 4X4 as a launch vehicle.

As for what "most folks" prefer, I suggest you haven't a clue.

Perhaps in the future the commercial boating magazine for which you
write will change its name to Northwest Cartopper, and you can regale us
with tours of the plastic canoe factory.

petrol prices here in Australia $1.35 per litre equals $5.10 per gallon
"wf3h" wrote in message
ups.com...
Some folks are speculating that gas can hit $4/gallon this year. Fuel
dock prices could shoot above $5. Any idea at what point people will
just stop boating? This is a form of the 'luxury' tax a few years ago
that collapsed the yacht makers. why WOULDN'T gas prices have the same
effect?

On Apr 29, 9:33�pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On 29 Apr 2007 21:07:19 -0700, Chuck Gould

wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/2gv66f

Somehow I just can't quite see that going down the road behind a $2000
beater truck. Not saying it wouldn't or couldn't happen, but I would
be surprised to see it done routinely.

Frankly it's not really a trailer boat at all. *Too wide in most
states without a wide load permit, and too heavy for anything but a
triple axle trailer and a super duty truck.

Trailerability for most boats tops out at about 24 to 26 feet.

I agree that an F-350 or equivalent would be the sort of truck best
suited to tow that 28-footer.

In many states the only permit needed is handled by the payment of an
annual fee and an agreement not to tow between sunset and sunrise.

Not suggesting that everybody run out and buy a GW, only responding to
a comment implying that "nobody would spend $120,000 to go trailer
boating."
Apparently some people do. And north of $120,000 gets them only a
boat, no trailer (another few thousand or so), and no tow vehicle.

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Apr 29, 9:33�pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On 29 Apr 2007 21:07:19 -0700, Chuck Gould

wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/2gv66f
Somehow I just can't quite see that going down the road behind a $2000
beater truck. Not saying it wouldn't or couldn't happen, but I would
be surprised to see it done routinely.
Frankly it's not really a trailer boat at all. �Too wide in most
states without a wide load permit, and too heavy for anything but a
triple axle trailer and a super duty truck.

Trailerability for most boats tops out at about 24 to 26 feet.

I agree that an F-350 or equivalent would be the sort of truck best
suited to tow that 28-footer.

In many states the only permit needed is handled by the payment of an
annual fee and an agreement not to tow between sunset and sunrise.

Not suggesting that everybody run out and buy a GW, only responding to
a comment implying that "nobody would spend $120,000 to go trailer
boating."
Apparently some people do. And north of $120,000 gets them only a
boat, no trailer (another few thousand or so), and no tow vehicle.



A diesel F250 will pull a 28' Grady rig properly, if that is what you
want to do. But I doubt very many owners of 28' Gradys tow their boats
around.

Have you and Mrs. Spam picked out your summer parkas?

On Apr 30, 3:41?am, Harry Krause wrote:

Perhaps in the future the commercial boating magazine for which you
write will change its name to Northwest Cartopper, and you can regale us
with tours of the plastic canoe factory.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Such a tale wouldn't begin to compare with the story of a guy who
lived in Florida, posted to rec.boats, and claimed to own a very fancy
Hatteras.
Several posters in that era expressed serious doubt regarding the
veracity of the claim, and when challenged to "come down anytime you
like and see for yourself!", one did.

As I recall, when he tracked down the address of the only person with
the appropriate name living in the little town where the poster with
the supposed Hatteras claimed to reside, he encountered an extremely
humble dwelling in a portion of town where folks of less-than-moderate
means were known to live.
My memory doesn't serve me well enough to recall whether it was
specifically refered to as a "single wide". As I recall, he thought
somebody was home and knocked on the door but nobody answered.

The fellow who took the road trip to Florida reported his findings to
the NG. The "Hatteras owner" immediately claimed that the road tripper
had gone to the wrong address, and added that in case anybody else had
the same idea of
traveling to Florida to see this fantastic Hatteras they should know
it was already too late to do so. The "Hatteras owner" was suddenly an
ex-Hatteras owner, having accepted an offer far in excess of the
killer-diller deal he had so shrewdly struck when he purchased it
himself.

Now of course that was years and years ago. The Hatteras owner still
lives along the Atlantic seaboard, only a bit farther north. It's no
wonder the poor schlump left town, especially after that unfortunate
incident where somebody with the exact same name (but not provably the
same person) was arrested for exposing his genitals to a school bus
filled with little kids. I would have left town too. They don't take
too kindly to sexual perverts down in Florida, and if one were to have
the unfortunate distinction of sharing the exact same name as somebody
suspected of flashing school kids he could wind up just as beat up or
lynched as the actual culprit.

You are entirely right, Harry. Any story about building plastic canoes
would pale in comparison to tales of disappearing Hatteras, invisible
lobster boats,
and suck by suck descriptions about pumping septic tanks.

Good thing you never claimed to own a Hatteras; you'd look like the
world's biggest hypocrite with your sudden disdain for any boats
larger than a car-topper.

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Apr 30, 3:41?am, Harry Krause wrote:

Perhaps in the future the commercial boating magazine for which you
write will change its name to Northwest Cartopper, and you can regale us
with tours of the plastic canoe factory.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Such a tale wouldn't begin to compare with the story of a guy who
lived in Florida, posted to rec.boats, and claimed to own a very fancy
Hatteras.
Several posters in that era expressed serious doubt regarding the
veracity of the claim, and when challenged to "come down anytime you
like and see for yourself!", one did.

As I recall, when he tracked down the address of the only person with
the appropriate name living in the little town where the poster with
the supposed Hatteras claimed to reside, he encountered an extremely
humble dwelling in a portion of town where folks of less-than-moderate
means were known to live.
...



Are you on drugs now? The last two, no, three times "my address" was
"discovered" by rec.boaters, they had me in Jacksonville (where I didn't
live), somewhere in Alexandria, VA (where I didn't live), and somewhere
in a Maryland suburb (where I've never even visited). This is kind of
humorous, because I'm "in the phone book."

You're really trying, Chuckster. Perhaps you ought to stick to spamming
this newsgroup and netcopping. You do better at both of those. How about
a nice visit to the Bayliner factory, where you can discover the latest
techniques in building "price" boats?

On Apr 30, 9:33?am, Harry Krause wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Apr 30, 3:41?am, Harry Krause wrote:

Perhaps in the future the commercial boating magazine for which you
write will change its name to Northwest Cartopper, and you can regale us
with tours of the plastic canoe factory.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Such a tale wouldn't begin to compare with the story of a guy who
lived in Florida, posted to rec.boats, and claimed to own a very fancy
Hatteras.
Several posters in that era expressed serious doubt regarding the
veracity of the claim, and when challenged to "come down anytime you
like and see for yourself!", one did.

As I recall, when he tracked down the address of the only person with
the appropriate name living in the little town where the poster with
the supposed Hatteras claimed to reside, he encountered an extremely
humble dwelling in a portion of town where folks of less-than-moderate
means were known to live.
...

Are you on drugs now? The last two, no, three times "my address" was
"discovered" by rec.boaters, they had me in Jacksonville (where I didn't
live), somewhere in Alexandria, VA (where I didn't live), and somewhere
in a Maryland suburb (where I've never even visited). This is kind of
humorous, because I'm "in the phone book."

You're really trying, Chuckster. Perhaps you ought to stick to spamming
this newsgroup and netcopping. You do better at both of those. How about
a nice visit to the Bayliner factory, where you can discover the latest
techniques in building "price" boats?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That's a weird response, Harry.

Nowhere in that post did I even mention your name.

Why do you think that post had anything to do with you?

If it was so far off base, why did you feel the need to defend
yourself?


Take a look at the two of us, what a pair. One of us is a "spammer and
netcop". The other is a proven liar, for all intents and purposes a
non-boater, a poster of septic tank stories and soft porn sites, a
political troll, and a bitter computer geek who likes to flame in a
bunch of different newsgroups. We should have very little to say to
one another, as apart from both being assholes we don't have anything
in common. Aside from the proven fact that you cannot exist without
somebody to attack all the time, there's no reason for your posts to
so frequently contain greasy little spitwads with my name on them.

Chuck Gould wrote:


Take a look at the two of us, what a pair. One of us is a "spammer and
netcop". The other is a proven liar, for all intents and purposes a
non-boater, a poster of septic tank stories and soft porn sites, a
political troll, and a bitter computer geek who likes to flame in a
bunch of different newsgroups. We should have very little to say to
one another, as apart from both being assholes we don't have anything
in common. Aside from the proven fact that you cannot exist without
somebody to attack all the time, there's no reason for your posts to
so frequently contain greasy little spitwads with my name on them.


Well, Chuck "Just Call Me Mr. Spam" Gould, your posts seem to get more
tasteless each time you find your keyboard.

Non-boater? On what do you base that?
Poster of soft porn sites? I don't even know what a "soft porn" site is,
Chuck. Is that a site for guys like you who don't appreciate "hard" porn?
Computer geek? Moi? Just because I moved up from DOS 1.1 and you still
use AOL and GOOGLE groups and I don't?
You're the one in attack mode, netcop. I'm just pulling you up by your
shorthairs for your hypocrisy. You know, your "My stuff doesn't stink,
but yours does" attitude.

Soft porn site?

Sorry, don't know any.

On Apr 30, 1:15 pm, Chuck Gould wrote:
On Apr 30, 9:33?am, Harry Krause wrote:





Chuck Gould wrote:
On Apr 30, 3:41?am, Harry Krause wrote:

Perhaps in the future the commercial boating magazine for which you
write will change its name to Northwest Cartopper, and you can regale us
with tours of the plastic canoe factory.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Such a tale wouldn't begin to compare with the story of a guy who
lived in Florida, posted to rec.boats, and claimed to own a very fancy
Hatteras.
Several posters in that era expressed serious doubt regarding the
veracity of the claim, and when challenged to "come down anytime you
like and see for yourself!", one did.

As I recall, when he tracked down the address of the only person with
the appropriate name living in the little town where the poster with
the supposed Hatteras claimed to reside, he encountered an extremely
humble dwelling in a portion of town where folks of less-than-moderate
means were known to live.
...

Are you on drugs now? The last two, no, three times "my address" was
"discovered" by rec.boaters, they had me in Jacksonville (where I didn't
live), somewhere in Alexandria, VA (where I didn't live), and somewhere
in a Maryland suburb (where I've never even visited). This is kind of
humorous, because I'm "in the phone book."

You're really trying, Chuckster. Perhaps you ought to stick to spamming
this newsgroup and netcopping. You do better at both of those. How about
a nice visit to the Bayliner factory, where you can discover the latest
techniques in building "price" boats?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That's a weird response, Harry.

Nowhere in that post did I even mention your name.

Why do you think that post had anything to do with you?

If it was so far off base, why did you feel the need to defend
yourself?

Take a look at the two of us, what a pair. One of us is a "spammer and
netcop". The other is a proven liar, for all intents and purposes a
non-boater, a poster of septic tank stories and soft porn sites, a
political troll, and a bitter computer geek who likes to flame in a
bunch of different newsgroups. We should have very little to say to
one another, as apart from both being assholes we don't have anything
in common. Aside from the proven fact that you cannot exist without
somebody to attack all the time, there's no reason for your posts to
so frequently contain greasy little spitwads with my name on them.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's ok chuck, my turn to be reasonable. Like in any society, many
here don't care for either one of you, or me for that matter. The
difference is most of us have respect for your boating knowledge, and
in spite of our protests, with a grain of salt are usually interested
in what you have to say. Personally, I do trust you come here with
good intention, and I would guess that most others do too. harry,
well, there is just no substance there. I would not bother with him if
I were you.

In addition, I would note that is seems an effective response to call
you a spammer, I doubt that you are going to earn your retirement
posting to a news group.

Later, off to work.