Don White wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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wf3h wrote:
Some folks are speculating that gas can hit $4/gallon this year. Fuel
dock prices could shoot above $5. Any idea at what point people will
just stop boating? This is a form of the 'luxury' tax a few years ago
that collapsed the yacht makers. why WOULDN'T gas prices have the same
effect?


It ought to, and maybe it will lead to a downsizing in boats. Some of the
best fun I've ever had in boats has been in small boats with small
engines, and in small sailboats. Screw the oil companies and their
partners in crime in the Gulf States.


Yes..if all the citizens of the western world (especially the US) would
think like that, we'd have half a chance with those %^$%^ oil barons.




It would also help if our "Energy Policy" hadn't been dictated by a U.S.
vice president connected to the oil industry and a U.S. president who
wasn't dumber than a fence post, but...

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Apr 29, 9:03�am, Vic Smith wrote:
On 29 Apr 2007 08:39:57 -0700, Chuck Gould

wrote:
Wally Lunchbucket was never going to buy a $250,000 boat, but the
Wally's buy a lot of boats in the $35-100,000 category and often
budget very carefully to make the monthly payments. The vast majority
of people are "payment buyers", and make decisions whether to buy or
not buy a major item based less on the price than on whether the
monthly payment is affordable.
Interesting. �Maybe because I only spent about half a year on the west
coast I never met a Wally Lunchbucket.
Around here I know plenty of guys called Joe Sixpack.
Ever heard of him?

--Vic

Joe is Wally's kissin' cousin. 'Cept of course Joe and Wally don't
kiss- at least not in public unless they're in San Francisco or
Seattle. :-)

Wally's brothers, Joe and Johnny Lunchbucket are probably mentioned
more frequently than Wally. Disheartening news is that with fuel dock
prices already in the $4.50 range and headed for $5, none of the
Lunchbucket brothers will be racing out to buy a new boat anytime
soon. That impacts everybody who owns a boat and hopes to sell it
someday as well as all of the folks who sell new or used boats for a
living.



Please...the Lunchbucket family has been working at Wal-Mart and 7-11 as
a result of the Bush Administration's eagerness to export U.S.
manufacturing jobs to the Pacific Rim and Mexico and Central and South
America.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Apr 29, 6:06?am, wf3h wrote:
Some folks are speculating that gas can hit $4/gallon this year. Fuel
dock prices could shoot above $5. Any idea at what point people will
just stop boating? This is a form of the 'luxury' tax a few years ago
that collapsed the yacht makers. why WOULDN'T gas prices have the same
effect?

http://www.marinemax.com/investor/


People will just "stop boating" at different rates. It's apparent that
some already have, or are delaying the initial purchase or trade-up
from a present vessel. Reluctance of new participants to get into
boating, due to fuel prices or
other concerns, hampers the resale market and inhibits the ability of
current owners to upgrade.

Down thread, somebody comments about the market returning to smaller
boats. I'm not sure that will be the result of this third straight
year of gas gouging. From what I can see, the small boat builders are
hurting even worse than the yacht manufacturers. Launching a trailer
boat requires a big truck, preferably 4WD in a lot of situations. That
can be a $40-50,000 proposition, or more, in the current market and
since most folks won't have the luxury of owning a vehicle for no
purpose other than launching a boat the fuel costs associated with a
two vehicle are a concern seven days a week, not just on Saturday or
Sunday when the boat gets wet.



You don't need a $50,000 truck to haul around many 18-21' boats. I towed a
nice 19-footer with a small V6 Ford truck, and there are plenty of smaller
boats available.

The trick would be to keep the total towed package at 3000 lbs or less.
Even mid-sized SUVs should be able to handle that... eg Toyota Rav 4 with V6
or the Highlander.

On Apr 29, 12:55 pm, "Don White" wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message

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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Apr 29, 6:06?am, wf3h wrote:
Some folks are speculating that gas can hit $4/gallon this year. Fuel
dock prices could shoot above $5. Any idea at what point people will
just stop boating? This is a form of the 'luxury' tax a few years ago
that collapsed the yacht makers. why WOULDN'T gas prices have the same
effect?

http://www.marinemax.com/investor/

People will just "stop boating" at different rates. It's apparent that
some already have, or are delaying the initial purchase or trade-up
from a present vessel. Reluctance of new participants to get into
boating, due to fuel prices or
other concerns, hampers the resale market and inhibits the ability of
current owners to upgrade.

Down thread, somebody comments about the market returning to smaller
boats. I'm not sure that will be the result of this third straight
year of gas gouging. From what I can see, the small boat builders are
hurting even worse than the yacht manufacturers. Launching a trailer
boat requires a big truck, preferably 4WD in a lot of situations. That
can be a $40-50,000 proposition, or more, in the current market and
since most folks won't have the luxury of owning a vehicle for no
purpose other than launching a boat the fuel costs associated with a
two vehicle are a concern seven days a week, not just on Saturday or
Sunday when the boat gets wet.

You don't need a $50,000 truck to haul around many 18-21' boats. I towed a
nice 19-footer with a small V6 Ford truck, and there are plenty of smaller
boats available.

The trick would be to keep the total towed package at 3000 lbs or less.
Even mid-sized SUVs should be able to handle that... eg Toyota Rav 4 with V6
or the Highlander.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

A Rav 4 might tow three thousand lbs, but I would not want to have to
stop it fast.

wrote:
On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:53:25 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

That's a good point. Personally, I think last year the market tested
$3/g and pretty quickly backed off that because demand dropped
significantly.


We seem to increase our tolerance every time it is tested. I can
remember people saying nobody would drive is gas was a buck a gallon.
Boat people seem more tolerant than car people. Gas is $3.70 at the
dock and I still see plenty of guys blasting around with their twin
250s.
I still chug around the mangroves with my 60 4 stroke burning 1 GPH or
so. At the end of the day I will be right back where I started if
things work out right, I am in no hurry.


This month's issue of BOATING takes a look at a handful of rigs with
small engines that run $12,000 or less, new, and are easily towed. Two
of them are really nice boats. When you are running a 30 hp or less
outboard, the price of gasoline is not really relevant.

This is an unbelievable statement. Ground Control to Major Chuck! Ground
Control to Major Chuck! You're out of control....
You can pick up a used PU for a grand or 2, throw a couple grand into it
to make it reliable, and paint it to match the boat to boot for under 6K
total.
Classic example of the SUV Mentality permeating our society. Big brand
new 50K truck....
With the cost of new trailer boats in the 22-25 ft range at 70k or more
and dock gas at $4.50 with no end in site, Just who do you expect is
stupid (and rich) enough to fork over 120k (that's unfinanced) to do the
trailer boat thing? Buy a brand new truck to tow the boat? Come ON.....
JR

Chuck Gould wrote:


Down thread, somebody comments about the market returning to smaller
boats. I'm not sure that will be the result of this third straight
year of gas gouging. From what I can see, the small boat builders are
hurting even worse than the yacht manufacturers. Launching a trailer
boat requires a big truck, preferably 4WD in a lot of situations. That
can be a $40-50,000 proposition, or more, in the current market and
since most folks won't have the luxury of owning a vehicle for no
purpose other than launching a boat the fuel costs associated with a
two vehicle are a concern seven days a week, not just on Saturday or
Sunday when the boat gets wet.


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Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth

On Apr 29, 8:53 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

And now, speaking of boating, I'm done and gone. Gonig out to get
some drive time on a twin diesel Topaz. Gotta learn the ins and outs
of this twin inboard stuff if I'm going to buy Eisboch's Navigator.
:) [1]

WHOO HOO!!!

[1] Not that I'm going to buy Eisboch's Navigator, but in this life
and with me in charge, you never know. :)

Don't you just love joy riding esecially at someone elses expense?

HA!

On Apr 29, 11:28 am, Harry Krause wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Apr 29, 6:06?am, wf3h wrote:
Some folks are speculating that gas can hit $4/gallon this year. Fuel
dock prices could shoot above $5. Any idea at what point people will
just stop boating? This is a form of the 'luxury' tax a few years ago
that collapsed the yacht makers. why WOULDN'T gas prices have the same
effect?

http://www.marinemax.com/investor/

People will just "stop boating" at different rates. It's apparent that
some already have, or are delaying the initial purchase or trade-up
from a present vessel. Reluctance of new participants to get into
boating, due to fuel prices or
other concerns, hampers the resale market and inhibits the ability of
current owners to upgrade.

Down thread, somebody comments about the market returning to smaller
boats. I'm not sure that will be the result of this third straight
year of gas gouging. From what I can see, the small boat builders are
hurting even worse than the yacht manufacturers. Launching a trailer
boat requires a big truck, preferably 4WD in a lot of situations. That
can be a $40-50,000 proposition, or more, in the current market and
since most folks won't have the luxury of owning a vehicle for no
purpose other than launching a boat the fuel costs associated with a
two vehicle are a concern seven days a week, not just on Saturday or
Sunday when the boat gets wet.

You don't need a $50,000 truck to haul around many 18-21' boats. I towed
a nice 19-footer with a small V6 Ford truck, and there are plenty of
smaller boats available.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

the last couple years, i towed my 18 ft Chris craft runabout back and
forth to the lake with an '89 Merc. Grand Marquis. towing it ogt 15
mpg. the boat with it's 4 cyl chevy engine provided loads of fun on
less than 10 gal of gas.

this year, I'll tow the 23 ft Marquis cuddie to the lake w/ a 91 Grand
Marquis station wagon. same drive train as a ford half ton truck of
the same year. it will do fine. and probably even make betterr towing
milage due to the fact the 23 ft'r is on a dual axle trailer that even
though th boat is heavier will pull easier. I ahve already found that
out.

now the 23 is much heavier than the Chris, and has a 350 v-8. But I
think it will probably use more fuel than it's smaller counterpart,
but the bigger comfort and smoother ride will more than make up the
difference. even with towing, I've never spent over a hundred bucks a
day at the lake for fuel, And I might be suprised, but even with the
larger craft, I still don't think I will.

"John H." wrote in message
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That Harry is such a neat guy, right Don? Do you reckon he'll sell the 25'
Parker and the 36' lobsta' boat anytime soon?

Why so interested? He offered you a great price on the Parker last year and
all you did was a virtual 'kick the tires' routine.

Don White wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
That Harry is such a neat guy, right Don? Do you reckon he'll sell the 25'
Parker and the 36' lobsta' boat anytime soon?

Why so interested? He offered you a great price on the Parker last year and
all you did was a virtual 'kick the tires' routine.




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