John H. wrote:

On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:09:31 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

wf3h wrote:

Some folks are speculating that gas can hit $4/gallon this year. Fuel
dock prices could shoot above $5. Any idea at what point people will
just stop boating? This is a form of the 'luxury' tax a few years ago
that collapsed the yacht makers. why WOULDN'T gas prices have the same
effect?



It ought to, and maybe it will lead to a downsizing in boats. Some of the
best fun I've ever had in boats has been in small boats with small
engines, and in small sailboats. Screw the oil companies and their
partners in crime in the Gulf States.


Yes..if all the citizens of the western world (especially the US) would
think like that, we'd have half a chance with those %^$%^ oil barons.



That Harry is such a neat guy, right Don? Do you reckon he'll sell the 25'
Parker and the 36' lobsta' boat anytime soon?

Funny that donnie boy would say that, considering the amount of oil the
US gets from Canada

On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:53:25 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On 29 Apr 2007 06:06:49 -0700, wf3h wrote:

Some folks are speculating that gas can hit $4/gallon this year. Fuel
dock prices could shoot above $5. Any idea at what point people will
just stop boating? This is a form of the 'luxury' tax a few years ago
that collapsed the yacht makers. why WOULDN'T gas prices have the same
effect?

That's a good point. Personally, I think last year the market tested
$3/g and pretty quickly backed off that because demand dropped
significantly.

They are certainly going to try it again this year, but I can't see it
moving up much past $3/g again without demand dropping. After the 75%
runup over the past two years (with Katrina being the excuse), the
average joe on the street isn't going to have much left over after
going to work and paying for food, the mortgage and other expenses.

It's interesting that some in the professional services industries,
like orthodontic dentists, dentists and even doctors are seeing a
decrease in their gross incomes because the average schmoe can't
afford a co-pay even. Trades people are even feeling it because their
prices have had to increase due to energy and compensation insurance
increases.

You have to remember that the real rate of inflation this year
(including food/energy/services) is about 13% and it could go higher.
That alone is certainly going to impact boating, never mind fuel
costs.

And now, speaking of boating, I'm done and gone. Gonig out to get
some drive time on a twin diesel Topaz. Gotta learn the ins and outs
of this twin inboard stuff if I'm going to buy Eisboch's Navigator.
:) [1]

WHOO HOO!!!

[1] Not that I'm going to buy Eisboch's Navigator, but in this life
and with me in charge, you never know. :)

Tom, I figured you'd be upgrading to the Sea Vee 390 any day now. Surely
the price of gas will have no bearing:

http://tinyurl.com/2lzqw9

(Click on "Check out the new 390" at the bottom of the page.

On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:09:31 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
wf3h wrote:
Some folks are speculating that gas can hit $4/gallon this year. Fuel
dock prices could shoot above $5. Any idea at what point people will
just stop boating? This is a form of the 'luxury' tax a few years ago
that collapsed the yacht makers. why WOULDN'T gas prices have the same
effect?



It ought to, and maybe it will lead to a downsizing in boats. Some of the
best fun I've ever had in boats has been in small boats with small
engines, and in small sailboats. Screw the oil companies and their
partners in crime in the Gulf States.


Yes..if all the citizens of the western world (especially the US) would
think like that, we'd have half a chance with those %^$%^ oil barons.


That Harry is such a neat guy, right Don? Do you reckon he'll sell the 25'
Parker and the 36' lobsta' boat anytime soon?

On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 12:39:29 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Apr 29, 9:03?am, Vic Smith wrote:
On 29 Apr 2007 08:39:57 -0700, Chuck Gould

wrote:
Wally Lunchbucket was never going to buy a $250,000 boat, but the
Wally's buy a lot of boats in the $35-100,000 category and often
budget very carefully to make the monthly payments. The vast majority
of people are "payment buyers", and make decisions whether to buy or
not buy a major item based less on the price than on whether the
monthly payment is affordable.
Interesting. ?Maybe because I only spent about half a year on the west
coast I never met a Wally Lunchbucket.
Around here I know plenty of guys called Joe Sixpack.
Ever heard of him?

--Vic

Joe is Wally's kissin' cousin. 'Cept of course Joe and Wally don't
kiss- at least not in public unless they're in San Francisco or
Seattle. :-)

Wally's brothers, Joe and Johnny Lunchbucket are probably mentioned
more frequently than Wally. Disheartening news is that with fuel dock
prices already in the $4.50 range and headed for $5, none of the
Lunchbucket brothers will be racing out to buy a new boat anytime
soon. That impacts everybody who owns a boat and hopes to sell it
someday as well as all of the folks who sell new or used boats for a
living.



Please...the Lunchbucket family has been working at Wal-Mart and 7-11 as
a result of the Bush Administration's eagerness to export U.S.
manufacturing jobs to the Pacific Rim and Mexico and Central and South
America.

Harry, Harry, there are some good places for your political attempts. Isn't
your septic tank about empty now?

"JR North" wrote in message
...
This is an unbelievable statement. Ground Control to Major Chuck! Ground
Control to Major Chuck! You're out of control....
You can pick up a used PU for a grand or 2, throw a couple grand into it
to make it reliable, and paint it to match the boat to boot for under 6K
total.
Classic example of the SUV Mentality permeating our society. Big brand new
50K truck....
With the cost of new trailer boats in the 22-25 ft range at 70k or more
and dock gas at $4.50 with no end in site, Just who do you expect is
stupid (and rich) enough to fork over 120k (that's unfinanced) to do the
trailer boat thing? Buy a brand new truck to tow the boat? Come ON.....
JR

Chuck Gould wrote:


Down thread, somebody comments about the market returning to smaller
boats. I'm not sure that will be the result of this third straight
year of gas gouging. From what I can see, the small boat builders are
hurting even worse than the yacht manufacturers. Launching a trailer
boat requires a big truck, preferably 4WD in a lot of situations. That
can be a $40-50,000 proposition, or more, in the current market and
since most folks won't have the luxury of owning a vehicle for no
purpose other than launching a boat the fuel costs associated with a
two vehicle are a concern seven days a week, not just on Saturday or
Sunday when the boat gets wet.


--------------------------------------------------------------
Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth

We boated for years with 15-17' 35-50 hp outboards. Skied behind them.
Towed them with the daily driver car. 55 Chevy convertible. Factory stick
too. 56 Ford, convertible, 64 Chevy impala. All got 16-18 mpg highway
normal driving. You only need the big 4x4 for big boats launching at ramps
that are poor shape or get slippery from algae. Why do you need a $50,000+
Ski Nautique to do the same thing a 5 year ago $25k Ski Nautique did? Due
to peer pressure and marketing, and you see it especially on this group,
people believe they need a minimum 150hp O/B for boating with the family.

"Animal05" wrote in message
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John H. wrote:

On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:09:31 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

wf3h wrote:

Some folks are speculating that gas can hit $4/gallon this year. Fuel
dock prices could shoot above $5. Any idea at what point people will
just stop boating? This is a form of the 'luxury' tax a few years ago
that collapsed the yacht makers. why WOULDN'T gas prices have the same
effect?



It ought to, and maybe it will lead to a downsizing in boats. Some of
the best fun I've ever had in boats has been in small boats with small
engines, and in small sailboats. Screw the oil companies and their
partners in crime in the Gulf States.


Yes..if all the citizens of the western world (especially the US) would
think like that, we'd have half a chance with those %^$%^ oil barons.


That Harry is such a neat guy, right Don? Do you reckon he'll sell the
25'
Parker and the 36' lobsta' boat anytime soon?

Funny that donnie boy would say that, considering the amount of oil the US
gets from Canada

The more you guzzle and create a high demand, the higher price I have to pay
at the pumps. Simple enough for you?

On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 19:20:37 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .

That Harry is such a neat guy, right Don? Do you reckon he'll sell the 25'
Parker and the 36' lobsta' boat anytime soon?

Why so interested? He offered you a great price on the Parker last year and
all you did was a virtual 'kick the tires' routine.


My gosh, I don't want a boat as big as either of the two boats Harry owns!
What price did he offer, Don? I sure don't recall seeing a price anywhere.
Is this another of your 'mistakes'?

On Apr 29, 7:01 pm, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:12:28 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:







"Animal05" wrote in message
...
John H. wrote:

On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:09:31 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

wf3h wrote:

Some folks are speculating that gas can hit $4/gallon this year. Fuel
dock prices could shoot above $5. Any idea at what point people will
just stop boating? This is a form of the 'luxury' tax a few years ago
that collapsed the yacht makers. why WOULDN'T gas prices have the same
effect?

It ought to, and maybe it will lead to a downsizing in boats. Some of
the best fun I've ever had in boats has been in small boats with small
engines, and in small sailboats. Screw the oil companies and their
partners in crime in the Gulf States.

Yes..if all the citizens of the western world (especially the US) would
think like that, we'd have half a chance with those %^$%^ oil barons.

That Harry is such a neat guy, right Don? Do you reckon he'll sell the
25'
Parker and the 36' lobsta' boat anytime soon?

Funny that donnie boy would say that, considering the amount of oil the US
gets from Canada

The more you guzzle and create a high demand, the higher price I have to pay
at the pumps. Simple enough for you?

Well, let's see. The big Yamaha on the back of that 25'er probably burns
10-15 gph cruising. How much do you reckon the powerplant in the lobsta
boat burns. Maybe a couple of big gassers in there, or a couple humongus
diesels. What do you think? Is your hero helping your cause?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Someone should tell the Gilmore Girls that viagra is a lot cheaper
than double diesels, and probably just as effective. Anyway, to
sherrif chuckies point, my children (the next generation of spenders)
and many or their peers are moving toward greener play across the
board. Kayaking (touring), indoor rock climbing, and bike trips are
big, vacations are no longer Daytona, but New Orleans for cleanup and
culture. Many of the local water ways are making provisions for much
smaller boats, and recreation and motor restrictions are getting
tougher every day. The overindulgent will still have their big boats,
but they will pay though the nose, be subjected to more restrictions,
and their numbers will drop due to financial attrition. I don't know
that the situation will ever improve for them from this point on. Once
the big manufacturers tool down, I don't see them coming back.

wrote in message
ups.com...


Someone should tell the Gilmore Girls that viagra is a lot cheaper
than double diesels, and probably just as effective. Anyway, to
sherrif chuckies point, my children (the next generation of spenders)
and many or their peers are moving toward greener play across the
board. Kayaking (touring), indoor rock climbing, and bike trips are
big, vacations are no longer Daytona, but New Orleans for cleanup and
culture. Many of the local water ways are making provisions for much
smaller boats, and recreation and motor restrictions are getting
tougher every day. The overindulgent will still have their big boats,
but they will pay though the nose, be subjected to more restrictions,
and their numbers will drop due to financial attrition. I don't know
that the situation will ever improve for them from this point on. Once
the big manufacturers tool down, I don't see them coming back.


I am curious. What makes you think that a 20'-25' outboard or I/O powered
boat being used for it's intended purposes is any more fuel efficient than a
40'-50' twin diesel cruiser being used for it's intended purpose? The
truth may surprise you.

Eisboch

On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:12:28 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"Animal05" wrote in message
...
John H. wrote:

On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:09:31 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

wf3h wrote:

Some folks are speculating that gas can hit $4/gallon this year. Fuel
dock prices could shoot above $5. Any idea at what point people will
just stop boating? This is a form of the 'luxury' tax a few years ago
that collapsed the yacht makers. why WOULDN'T gas prices have the same
effect?



It ought to, and maybe it will lead to a downsizing in boats. Some of
the best fun I've ever had in boats has been in small boats with small
engines, and in small sailboats. Screw the oil companies and their
partners in crime in the Gulf States.


Yes..if all the citizens of the western world (especially the US) would
think like that, we'd have half a chance with those %^$%^ oil barons.


That Harry is such a neat guy, right Don? Do you reckon he'll sell the
25'
Parker and the 36' lobsta' boat anytime soon?

Funny that donnie boy would say that, considering the amount of oil the US
gets from Canada

The more you guzzle and create a high demand, the higher price I have to pay
at the pumps. Simple enough for you?


Well, let's see. The big Yamaha on the back of that 25'er probably burns
10-15 gph cruising. How much do you reckon the powerplant in the lobsta
boat burns. Maybe a couple of big gassers in there, or a couple humongus
diesels. What do you think? Is your hero helping your cause?