Some folks are speculating that gas can hit $4/gallon this year. Fuel
dock prices could shoot above $5. Any idea at what point people will
just stop boating? This is a form of the 'luxury' tax a few years ago
that collapsed the yacht makers. why WOULDN'T gas prices have the same
effect?

On 29 Apr 2007 06:06:49 -0700, wf3h wrote:

Some folks are speculating that gas can hit $4/gallon this year. Fuel
dock prices could shoot above $5. Any idea at what point people will
just stop boating? This is a form of the 'luxury' tax a few years ago
that collapsed the yacht makers. why WOULDN'T gas prices have the same
effect?

That's a good point. Personally, I think last year the market tested
$3/g and pretty quickly backed off that because demand dropped
significantly.

They are certainly going to try it again this year, but I can't see it
moving up much past $3/g again without demand dropping. After the 75%
runup over the past two years (with Katrina being the excuse), the
average joe on the street isn't going to have much left over after
going to work and paying for food, the mortgage and other expenses.

It's interesting that some in the professional services industries,
like orthodontic dentists, dentists and even doctors are seeing a
decrease in their gross incomes because the average schmoe can't
afford a co-pay even. Trades people are even feeling it because their
prices have had to increase due to energy and compensation insurance
increases.

You have to remember that the real rate of inflation this year
(including food/energy/services) is about 13% and it could go higher.
That alone is certainly going to impact boating, never mind fuel
costs.

And now, speaking of boating, I'm done and gone. Gonig out to get
some drive time on a twin diesel Topaz. Gotta learn the ins and outs
of this twin inboard stuff if I'm going to buy Eisboch's Navigator.
:) [1]

WHOO HOO!!!

[1] Not that I'm going to buy Eisboch's Navigator, but in this life
and with me in charge, you never know. :)

On Apr 29, 8:53 am, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

And now, speaking of boating, I'm done and gone. Gonig out to get
some drive time on a twin diesel Topaz. Gotta learn the ins and outs
of this twin inboard stuff if I'm going to buy Eisboch's Navigator.
:) [1]

WHOO HOO!!!

[1] Not that I'm going to buy Eisboch's Navigator, but in this life
and with me in charge, you never know. :)

Don't you just love joy riding esecially at someone elses expense?

HA!

On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:53:25 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On 29 Apr 2007 06:06:49 -0700, wf3h wrote:

Some folks are speculating that gas can hit $4/gallon this year. Fuel
dock prices could shoot above $5. Any idea at what point people will
just stop boating? This is a form of the 'luxury' tax a few years ago
that collapsed the yacht makers. why WOULDN'T gas prices have the same
effect?

That's a good point. Personally, I think last year the market tested
$3/g and pretty quickly backed off that because demand dropped
significantly.

They are certainly going to try it again this year, but I can't see it
moving up much past $3/g again without demand dropping. After the 75%
runup over the past two years (with Katrina being the excuse), the
average joe on the street isn't going to have much left over after
going to work and paying for food, the mortgage and other expenses.

It's interesting that some in the professional services industries,
like orthodontic dentists, dentists and even doctors are seeing a
decrease in their gross incomes because the average schmoe can't
afford a co-pay even. Trades people are even feeling it because their
prices have had to increase due to energy and compensation insurance
increases.

You have to remember that the real rate of inflation this year
(including food/energy/services) is about 13% and it could go higher.
That alone is certainly going to impact boating, never mind fuel
costs.

And now, speaking of boating, I'm done and gone. Gonig out to get
some drive time on a twin diesel Topaz. Gotta learn the ins and outs
of this twin inboard stuff if I'm going to buy Eisboch's Navigator.
:) [1]

WHOO HOO!!!

[1] Not that I'm going to buy Eisboch's Navigator, but in this life
and with me in charge, you never know. :)

Tom, I figured you'd be upgrading to the Sea Vee 390 any day now. Surely
the price of gas will have no bearing:

http://tinyurl.com/2lzqw9

(Click on "Check out the new 390" at the bottom of the page.

On Apr 29, 12:40�pm, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:53:25 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing





wrote:
On 29 Apr 2007 06:06:49 -0700, wf3h wrote:

Some folks are speculating that gas can hit $4/gallon this year. Fuel
dock prices could shoot above $5. Any idea at what point people will
just stop boating? This is a form of the 'luxury' tax a few years ago
that collapsed the yacht makers. why WOULDN'T gas prices have the same
effect?

That's a good point. *Personally, I think last year the market tested
$3/g and pretty quickly backed off that because demand dropped
significantly.

They are certainly going to try it again this year, but I can't see it
moving up much past $3/g again without demand dropping. *After the 75%
runup over the past two years (with Katrina being the excuse), the
average joe on the street isn't going to have much left over after
going to work and paying for food, the mortgage and other expenses.

It's interesting that some in the professional services industries,
like orthodontic dentists, dentists and even doctors are seeing a
decrease in their gross incomes because the average schmoe can't
afford a co-pay even. *Trades people are even feeling it because their
prices have had to increase due to energy and compensation insurance
increases.

You have to remember that the real rate of inflation this year
(including food/energy/services) is about 13% and it could go higher.
That alone is certainly going to impact boating, never mind fuel
costs.

And now, speaking of boating, I'm done and gone. *Gonig out to get
some drive time on a twin diesel Topaz. *Gotta learn the ins and outs
of this twin inboard stuff if I'm going to buy Eisboch's *Navigator.
:) *[1]

WHOO HOO!!!

[1] Not that I'm going to buy Eisboch's Navigator, but in this life
and with me in charge, you never know. *:)

Tom, I figured you'd be upgrading to the Sea Vee 390 any day now. Surely
the price of gas will have no bearing:

http://tinyurl.com/2lzqw9

(Click on "Check out the new 390" at the bottom of the page.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"With a fuel capacity of 570 gallons, range can exceed 650 miles with
triple outboards"

Sounds economical to me. (not). $2500 fill-up for about 15 hours of
running time. (Site says the most economical speeds are at about 40
mph).

But once again it's somewhat relevant. What's the price on that thing
with 3 outboards? Something north of $500k?

On 29 Apr 2007 21:14:26 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

"With a fuel capacity of 570 gallons, range can exceed 650 miles with
triple outboards"

Sounds economical to me. (not). $2500 fill-up for about 15 hours of
running time. (Site says the most economical speeds are at about 40
mph).

But once again it's somewhat relevant. What's the price on that thing
with 3 outboards? Something north of $500k?

Economy means different things to different people. Here in Florida
economy could mean sufficient fuel range to round trip the Bahamas
without filling up over there.

On 29 Apr 2007 21:14:26 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

On Apr 29, 12:40?pm, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:53:25 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing





Tom, I figured you'd be upgrading to the Sea Vee 390 any day now. Surely
the price of gas will have no bearing:

http://tinyurl.com/2lzqw9

(Click on "Check out the new 390" at the bottom of the page.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"With a fuel capacity of 570 gallons, range can exceed 650 miles with
triple outboards"

Sounds economical to me. (not). $2500 fill-up for about 15 hours of
running time. (Site says the most economical speeds are at about 40
mph).

But once again it's somewhat relevant. What's the price on that thing
with 3 outboards? Something north of $500k?


Look again, the thing comes with *four* 300hp outboards!

On Apr 30, 11:46?am, John H. wrote:
On 29 Apr 2007 21:14:26 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:





On Apr 29, 12:40?pm, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:53:25 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing

Tom, I figured you'd be upgrading to the Sea Vee 390 any day now. Surely
the price of gas will have no bearing:

http://tinyurl.com/2lzqw9

(Click on "Check out the new 390" at the bottom of the page.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"With a fuel capacity of 570 gallons, range can exceed 650 miles with
triple outboards"

Sounds economical to me. (not). $2500 fill-up for about 15 hours of
running time. (Site says the most economical speeds are at about 40
mph).

But once again it's somewhat relevant. What's the price on that thing
with 3 outboards? Something north of $500k?

Look again, the thing comes with *four* 300hp outboards!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, it does have an optional rigging of either 3 or 4 outboards. I
referenced the three outboard configuration as that is what the speed
and range claims are based upon.

Don't know what it will be at the docks, but street price locally is
$2.87-2.99 today



Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On 29 Apr 2007 06:06:49 -0700, wf3h wrote:

Some folks are speculating that gas can hit $4/gallon this year. Fuel
dock prices could shoot above $5. Any idea at what point people will
just stop boating? This is a form of the 'luxury' tax a few years ago
that collapsed the yacht makers. why WOULDN'T gas prices have the same
effect?

That's a good point. Personally, I think last year the market tested
$3/g and pretty quickly backed off that because demand dropped
significantly.

They are certainly going to try it again this year, but I can't see it
moving up much past $3/g again without demand dropping. After the 75%
runup over the past two years (with Katrina being the excuse), the
average joe on the street isn't going to have much left over after
going to work and paying for food, the mortgage and other expenses.

It's interesting that some in the professional services industries,
like orthodontic dentists, dentists and even doctors are seeing a
decrease in their gross incomes because the average schmoe can't
afford a co-pay even. Trades people are even feeling it because their
prices have had to increase due to energy and compensation insurance
increases.

You have to remember that the real rate of inflation this year
(including food/energy/services) is about 13% and it could go higher.
That alone is certainly going to impact boating, never mind fuel
costs.

And now, speaking of boating, I'm done and gone. Gonig out to get
some drive time on a twin diesel Topaz. Gotta learn the ins and outs
of this twin inboard stuff if I'm going to buy Eisboch's Navigator.
:) [1]

WHOO HOO!!!

[1] Not that I'm going to buy Eisboch's Navigator, but in this life
and with me in charge, you never know. :)

wf3h wrote:
Some folks are speculating that gas can hit $4/gallon this year. Fuel
dock prices could shoot above $5. Any idea at what point people will
just stop boating? This is a form of the 'luxury' tax a few years ago
that collapsed the yacht makers. why WOULDN'T gas prices have the same
effect?



It ought to, and maybe it will lead to a downsizing in boats. Some of
the best fun I've ever had in boats has been in small boats with small
engines, and in small sailboats. Screw the oil companies and their
partners in crime in the Gulf States.