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Tim
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Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.

Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture,
transport and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you
heard of that kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?

That has nothing to do with Fred's question. Nice try.

It has everything to do with it. But, I'm not surprised you missed it.
Hint:
Forget the words "drug use" and think about the word "crimes". Or,
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for crying out loud. It's an article about the USCG hauling the bigest
drug bust they've ever had. 20 tons of coke!

Another voice of reason. ;-)

The original topic of this thread has been turned and twisted OT then filled
with flames to justify taking it OT.

I could turn to the "reading comprehension" insult but I will not sink to
that level. ;-)

On Apr 24, 9:24 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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In oglegroups.com,
Tim
sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.

Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture,
transport and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you
heard of that kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?

That has nothing to do with Fred's question. Nice try.

It has everything to do with it. But, I'm not surprised you missed it. Hint:
Forget the words "drug use" and think about the word "crimes". Or,
substitute "violence".

Of course, the laws of supply and demand tell us that this seizure
will cause the street value of cocaine to rise, which of course
encourages traffickers to take even greater risks to bring it in, and
results in more increased crime as users attempt to support their even
more expensive habits. The inflated street value also leads to more
violent turf battles over dealing territory on the streets.

This is an observation, not an answer, and I certainly don't want to
take anything away from the hard work that the Coast Guard put in to
make such a large bust. It just seems like the war on drugs is like
running on a treadmill- no matter how hard you run, you never really
get ahead.

Michael

JimH wrote:
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Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?


Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.



I had a cousin that was beat to death by a group of meth heads because
they were board and needed somthing to do. I think she felt hurt.

Capt Jack R..

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:42:39 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


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On Apr 24, 8:24 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
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"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in
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In oglegroups.com,
Tim
sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.

Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture,
transport and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you
heard of that kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?

That has nothing to do with Fred's question. Nice try.

It has everything to do with it. But, I'm not surprised you missed it.
Hint:
Forget the words "drug use" and think about the word "crimes". Or,
substitute "violence".- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

for crying out loud. It's an article about the USCG hauling the bigest
drug bust they've ever had. 20 tons of coke!

Another voice of reason. ;-)

The original topic of this thread has been turned and twisted OT then filled
with flames to justify taking it OT.

I could turn to the "reading comprehension" insult but I will not sink to
that level. ;-)


Go adjust your 'filters', Jimmy.

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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:50:49 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
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"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in message
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In message ups.com,
Tim
sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.

Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture, transport
and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you heard of that
kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?

I'd say that the high incidence of drunk driving accidents and
associated mayhem and deaths, in addition to the health problems
associated with alcohol are pretty violent, wouldn't you?

But cocaine seems to do in 6 months what excess alcohol takes 20 years to
accomplish. Some drugs need to be outlawed or at least controlled. Others,
such as pot, should be a free choice item. You can smoke it on private
property, but not on public property. That way, anybody affected is there
by choice. Would reduce the prison population a bunch, taxed, would add
lots of revenue to the state, and reduce the amount of law enforcement
manpower and money spend on the war on drugs. A war we have definitely
lost.

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oglegroups.com,
Tim
sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money
to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.

Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture,
transport and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you
heard of that kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?

That has nothing to do with Fred's question. Nice try.

It has everything to do with it. But, I'm not surprised you missed it.
Hint:
Forget the words "drug use" and think about the word "crimes". Or,
substitute "violence".- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

for crying out loud. It's an article about the USCG hauling the bigest
drug bust they've ever had. 20 tons of coke!

Another voice of reason. ;-)

The original topic of this thread has been turned and twisted OT then
filled with flames to justify taking it OT.


That's right. ***YOU*** sent it in another direction when you said this:
"Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine."

"mjpierce5" wrote in message
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Of course, the laws of supply and demand tell us that this seizure
will cause the street value of cocaine to rise, which of course
encourages traffickers to take even greater risks to bring it in, and
results in more increased crime as users attempt to support their even
more expensive habits. The inflated street value also leads to more
violent turf battles over dealing territory on the streets.

This is an observation, not an answer, and I certainly don't want to
take anything away from the hard work that the Coast Guard put in to
make such a large bust. It just seems like the war on drugs is like
running on a treadmill- no matter how hard you run, you never really
get ahead.

Michael



Exactly. All businesses adapt, or they vanish. This is free enterprise. The
American way.

On 25 Apr 2007 12:37:34 GMT, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute"
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On 24 Apr 2007 16:49:38 GMT, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute"
wrote:

In message , Short Wave
Sportfishing sprach forth the following:

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:50:49 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"JimH" wrote in message
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"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in
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In message
ups.com, Tim
sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.

Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture,
transport and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you
heard of that kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?

I'd say that the high incidence of drunk driving accidents and
associated mayhem and deaths, in addition to the health problems
associated with alcohol are pretty violent, wouldn't you?

So you endorse reinstatement of the 18th Amendment?

In a way I do, yes.

Doing the same thing twice with the expectation of a different result is a
prognosis for insanity.

For instance, I would like to see life imprisonment for anybody
convicted of driving drunk (or impaired by other means/drugs) where a
life is lost.

"Driving drunk" != "manufacture, transport and sale of alcohol".

I could go on, but I won't.

Of course, because nothing you wrote is relevant to the discussion of the
legality of the manufacture, transport, sale or consumption of any
particular substance.

I said in a way.

You restrict manufacture, transport, sales and consumption in the
fashion of expectations - I expect the use of it to be controlled by
modifying behaviors in the form of severe restrictions if the
substance is abused. We can compartmentalize until we're blue in the
face by isolating the production, marketing and sales of any substance
from the abuse of same, but the simple fact is that they are
inexorably linked - supply and demand.

The only way to alter that equation is to remove one - which to me,
would be the disciplinary actions to curtail use and abuse rather than
prohibit the production and sales. If you can't sell it, you can't
continue to make it.

To me, severe penalties for abuse would accomplish that.

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On Apr 24, 8:24 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
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"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in
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In
oglegroups.com,
Tim
sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money
to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.

Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture,
transport and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you
heard of that kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?

That has nothing to do with Fred's question. Nice try.

It has everything to do with it. But, I'm not surprised you missed it.
Hint:
Forget the words "drug use" and think about the word "crimes". Or,
substitute "violence".- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

for crying out loud. It's an article about the USCG hauling the bigest
drug bust they've ever had. 20 tons of coke!

Another voice of reason. ;-)

The original topic of this thread has been turned and twisted OT then
filled with flames to justify taking it OT.


That's right. ***YOU*** sent it in another direction when you said this:
"Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine."


Nope. I will forgive you for leaving out the fact that I was replying to
the male prostitute when he asked "Who cares if someone is hurting
themselves?".

But whatever you want to think is fine with me Doug. I hope you and Fred
have fun playing in the mud together.

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On Apr 24, 8:24 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
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"Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute" wrote in
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In
oglegroups.com,
Tim
sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money
to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.

Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture,
transport and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time
you
heard of that kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?

That has nothing to do with Fred's question. Nice try.

It has everything to do with it. But, I'm not surprised you missed it.
Hint:
Forget the words "drug use" and think about the word "crimes". Or,
substitute "violence".- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

for crying out loud. It's an article about the USCG hauling the bigest
drug bust they've ever had. 20 tons of coke!

Another voice of reason. ;-)

The original topic of this thread has been turned and twisted OT then
filled with flames to justify taking it OT.


That's right. ***YOU*** sent it in another direction when you said this:
"Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine."


Nope. I will forgive you for leaving out the fact that I was replying to
the male prostitute when he asked "Who cares if someone is hurting
themselves?".

But whatever you want to think is fine with me Doug. I hope you and Fred
have fun playing in the mud together.


The "hurting themselves" idea relates to whether certain drugs should be
illegal. Booze is legal, and assuming I didn't drive while drinking, I could
drink myself into a coffin without hurting anyone else (physically). My
brother in law did exactly that. I could also blind myself by using a bench
grinder without safety goggles, or make myself deaf by playing in my band
without hearing protection. Should power tools and drums be illegal?