The high cost of drug use is because it is illegal and the price is
artificially inflated to line the pockets of those in the manu. and distr.
of the illegal drugs. If they were not illegal, they could be sold for
less than alcohol.

The criminal eliminate would hate to see them decriminalize drugs, they only
make money because they are illegal.


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Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.


Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture,
transport and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you
heard of that kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?


That has nothing to do with Fred's question. Nice try.


It has everything to do with it. But, I'm not surprised you missed it.
Hint: Forget the words "drug use" and think about the word "crimes". Or,
substitute "violence".


If you do not see the correlation between hard drug use and crimes against
others that is your problem Joe. The subject of the thread has to do with
cocaine, not alcohol.

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Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.


Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture,
transport and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you
heard of that kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?


That has nothing to do with Fred's question. Nice try.


It has everything to do with it. But, I'm not surprised you missed it.
Hint: Forget the words "drug use" and think about the word "crimes". Or,
substitute "violence".


If you do not see the correlation between hard drug use and crimes against
others that is your problem Joe. The subject of the thread has to do with
cocaine, not alcohol.

I *DO* see the connection you mentioned. But, you must've been asleep in
high school when the math teacher was discussing set theory. The crimes you
mentioned are a subset of a larger category: drug related crime, in general.
This includes not just the crimes you pointed out, but also those committed
by people who sell drugs. Turf wars, for instance. This is how it relates to
prohibition, and this is why I asked you the original question. Much of the
violence exists because the stuff is illegal. This is why you have not heard
of THIS TYPE of violence related to alcohol.

Do NOT send this discussion off in another direction by pointing out that
crimes are sometimes committed because people are drunk. That has nothing to
do with the legality of the substance involved.

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sprach forth the following:

Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.


Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture,
transport and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you
heard of that kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?


That has nothing to do with Fred's question. Nice try.


It has everything to do with it. But, I'm not surprised you missed it.
Hint: Forget the words "drug use" and think about the word "crimes". Or,
substitute "violence".


If you do not see the correlation between hard drug use and crimes
against others that is your problem Joe. The subject of the thread has
to do with cocaine, not alcohol.

I *DO* see the connection you mentioned. But, you must've been asleep in
high school when the math teacher was discussing set theory.

Joe, you are as predictable as the sun rise including your need to turn a
thread OT and to fill it with insults and personal attacks. I choose
therefore not to discuss this any further with you.

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Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money
to support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.


Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture,
transport and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you
heard of that kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?


That has nothing to do with Fred's question. Nice try.


It has everything to do with it. But, I'm not surprised you missed it.
Hint: Forget the words "drug use" and think about the word "crimes".
Or, substitute "violence".


If you do not see the correlation between hard drug use and crimes
against others that is your problem Joe. The subject of the thread has
to do with cocaine, not alcohol.

I *DO* see the connection you mentioned. But, you must've been asleep in
high school when the math teacher was discussing set theory.

Joe, you are as predictable as the sun rise including your need to turn a
thread OT and to fill it with insults and personal attacks. I choose
therefore not to discuss this any further with you.


You opened the door for this. You stepped through the door.

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Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money
to support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.


Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture,
transport and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you
heard of that kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?


That has nothing to do with Fred's question. Nice try.


It has everything to do with it. But, I'm not surprised you missed it.
Hint: Forget the words "drug use" and think about the word "crimes".
Or, substitute "violence".


If you do not see the correlation between hard drug use and crimes
against others that is your problem Joe. The subject of the thread has
to do with cocaine, not alcohol.

Only a fool would deny the parallels between Prohibition and the current
War on Some Drugs.

JimH cannot acknowledge the parallels because he would have to admit that
the war on drugs is absurd. That, in turn, would threaten the simplicity he
requires in order to get through life.

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Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money
to support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.


Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture,
transport and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you
heard of that kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?


That has nothing to do with Fred's question. Nice try.


It has everything to do with it. But, I'm not surprised you missed it.
Hint: Forget the words "drug use" and think about the word "crimes".
Or, substitute "violence".


If you do not see the correlation between hard drug use and crimes
against others that is your problem Joe. The subject of the thread has
to do with cocaine, not alcohol.

Only a fool would deny the parallels between Prohibition and the current
War on Some Drugs.

JimH cannot acknowledge the parallels because he would have to admit that
the war on drugs is absurd. That, in turn, would threaten the simplicity
he requires in order to get through life.


Another thread ends up in the toilet thanks to our 2 outstanding
contributors.

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Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money
to support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.


Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture,
transport and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you
heard of that kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?


That has nothing to do with Fred's question. Nice try.


It has everything to do with it. But, I'm not surprised you missed it.
Hint: Forget the words "drug use" and think about the word "crimes".
Or, substitute "violence".


If you do not see the correlation between hard drug use and crimes
against others that is your problem Joe. The subject of the thread has
to do with cocaine, not alcohol.

Only a fool would deny the parallels between Prohibition and the current
War on Some Drugs.

JimH cannot acknowledge the parallels because he would have to admit that
the war on drugs is absurd. That, in turn, would threaten the simplicity
he requires in order to get through life.


Another thread ends up in the toilet thanks to our 2 outstanding
contributors.

If you hadn't pretended not to see the point, this would not have happened.
If you were not pretending, but actually did NOT see the point, you need to
think longer before typing.

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Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.

Oh, you mean like what happened during alcohol prohibition? Ending
prohibition ended the crime associated with it.

Really?

Or do you mean that making illegal alcohol legal stopped the crime of
making and marketing illegal alcohol?

If so, wow - that's deep.

Genius level reasoning.

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Your tax dollars at work!

Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

Because drug use often results in crimes on others to obtain money to
support the habit, especially with hard drugs like cocaine.

Quiz time, Jim. Think about violence related to the manufacture, transport
and sale of alcoholic beverages. When is the last time you heard of that
kind of violence SPECIFICALLY related to booze?

I'd say that the high incidence of drunk driving accidents and
associated mayhem and deaths, in addition to the health problems
associated with alcohol are pretty violent, wouldn't you?

On Apr 24, 5:39?am, "Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute"


Who cares if someone is hurting themselves?

1. Spouse
2. kids
3. parents
4. friends
5. employer
6. employees
7. creditors
8. innocent drivers encountered in traffic

etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc


"My drug use (which includes the drug alcohol, btw) doesn't affect
anybody but me!" has to be one of the most selfish and shortsighted
statements of the modern era.

We all use drugs or chemicals of some kind for recreational purposes.
Maybe we enjoy the stimulation of a cup of coffee, the relaxation of a
bowl of pot, the rush of a sugar cookie, the taste of a good cigar,
the sweet semi-consciousness of heroin, or the general unwind
associated with the consumption of a few beers. Nearly any of those
vices can ruin your life and profoundly affect the lives of people who
love and depend on you. Some of them can so alter your motor and
perceptions skills that you should not be allowed behind the wheel of
a car or a boat. Some (like tobacco and other substances) so
profoundly alter the user's physiology that the body soon feels
abnormal when not being dosed with a specific poison.

I always find it particularly alarming when I am out on the boat and I
encounter a boatload of drunks (either out on the water or staggering
around a marina). There are so many additional hazards associated with
the marine environment that it's important to have your wits about
you. How many times a year do we see people operating a boat, often at
high speeds, with a bottle of beer in one hand and a steering wheel in
the other? Alcohol is the most abused drug in America and a factor in
an alarming number of boating accidents, deaths, and injuries each
year.

People will use most of these addictive products whether they are
legal or illegal. It's legal to buy rat posion, but few people are
going to run out and buy a box of it and start shoving it into their
mouth with a spoon as a result. Simply legalizing something doesn't
automatically increase consumption- and legalization could help reduce
the allure of various controlled substances among rebellious
youngsters.

We should legalize it all, tax it, and control it. Most of the crime
and violence associated with drug use doesn't occur because the drugs
make people criminal and violent (well, meth maybe) but is present
because we force addicts to do business with violent criminals who are
the current suppliers of many of our perferred addictive substances.

Most of the criminal activity and gang violence associated with the
distribution of liquor ceased when Prohibiton was repealed. The same
would likely prove true for cocaine, marijuana, opiates, etc.

A progressive country would supply addicted individuals as much
substance as needed while at the same time work with these individuals
to help them break the habit. That would be hideously expensive, but
at least a few people would be cured and we wouldn't be dealing with
the billions of dollars each year in social costs and incarcerations
associated with the use or illegal distribution of drugs. As it is, we
are paying all of the social costs without really curing anybody- all
the while maintaining an atmosphere where some of the most vicious
criminal elements in the world can wrack up billions of dollars in
profits. Some of this profit finds it way to Al Qaida and the Taliban-
particularly from heroin.

So hurrah for the USCG's interdiction of this coke shipment. Until we
change our failed policies associated with the "war on drugs",
treating drug addiction like a crime rather than a disease is the only
tool we have to work with. Darn poor tool it is, but it's the only one
in the box.

Meanwhile, boat sober.

It can be important to

Spouse
kids
parents
friends
employer
employees
creditors
innocent boaters encountered on the water

etc, etc, etc,

:-)