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Lemmie ask you a question. True story follows.

A local teacher was recently found to be administering mock MCAS
achievement tests to her third grade class.
The third grade does not take an official MCAS test. The teacher was
observing them as they took the mock test and made occasional comments
like "think some more about that one" if a student was way off base with
an answer.

She was reported to the school system administrators. What do you think
they did?

Eisboch


I don't know, but I'd like to buy her lunch. Did they fire her?


I'll tell you what happened after Harry puts forth his guess.

Eisboch


Well, since Harry hasn't ventured a guess .... yes, they canned her.
Something like 15 years on the job, excellent reputation as a teacher. Out
the door.

Eisboch

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Lemmie ask you a question. True story follows.

A local teacher was recently found to be administering mock MCAS
achievement tests to her third grade class.
The third grade does not take an official MCAS test. The teacher was
observing them as they took the mock test and made occasional comments
like "think some more about that one" if a student was way off base
with an answer.

She was reported to the school system administrators. What do you
think they did?

Eisboch


I don't know, but I'd like to buy her lunch. Did they fire her?


I'll tell you what happened after Harry puts forth his guess.

Eisboch


Well, since Harry hasn't ventured a guess .... yes, they canned her.
Something like 15 years on the job, excellent reputation as a teacher.
Out the door.

Eisboch

For teaching kids how to take tests, think and learn. Priceless.

On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:18:05 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Lemmie ask you a question. True story follows.

A local teacher was recently found to be administering mock MCAS
achievement tests to her third grade class.
The third grade does not take an official MCAS test. The teacher was
observing them as they took the mock test and made occasional comments
like "think some more about that one" if a student was way off base with
an answer.

She was reported to the school system administrators. What do you think
they did?

Eisboch


I don't know, but I'd like to buy her lunch. Did they fire her?


I'll tell you what happened after Harry puts forth his guess.

Eisboch


Well, since Harry hasn't ventured a guess .... yes, they canned her.
Something like 15 years on the job, excellent reputation as a teacher. Out
the door.

Eisboch


Rich, what was their 'reason' for firing her? Here a teacher can get fired
for giving hints during the actual Standards of Learning test, but practice
tests have no such requirements.

In fact, when teachers administer the SOL test here, there will be another
person in the room to monitor the teacher!
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:57:27 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

There's nothing wrong with "just" being a teacher, as long as you're very
good at it. I mean, if you're an excellent physicist, why would you leave
that field to teach, especially if it means getting another degree just to
be licensed as a teacher? I had excellent teachers who never worked in
physics, biology or whatever. So does my son. What about math teachers?
What
would their non-teaching field me? Mathematician?

I was involved in 2 excellent educational systems as a student and as
an instructor. IBM and the US Navy.
Both had a policy that teaching was not a profession and everyone
should move on to keep fresh blood flowing in the system. In my
private high school they also hired teachers who were going to move
on. Most were grad students or people who had worked in the field they
taught in some way. It made a lot more interesting classes.

What's a math whiz supposed to move on to?

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Eisboch wrote:

I have very few fond memories of Amity High School. Fortunately, we
moved and I graduated in a "normal" school.

Eisboch


Really? Man, I use to love to cruise the babes up there. Hell, I dated a
couple of them, a blonde named Judy, and two sisters, one my age and one
about three years younger. The younger sister was gorgeous.

I recall the school put on some great student theater and shows.

What was wrong with Amity Regional High School?


Full of rich snobs. Some of the nicest people (and girls) were from Bethany
.... considered the "hick-town" in the regional school system. The affluence
of many of the families from Orange and Woodbridge was reflected in school
politics. I hated it.

Eisboch

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Rich, what was their 'reason' for firing her? Here a teacher can get fired
for giving hints during the actual Standards of Learning test, but
practice
tests have no such requirements.

In fact, when teachers administer the SOL test here, there will be another
person in the room to monitor the teacher!

I don't know anymore than I posted. I just found out about this yesterday.
The MCAS testing program is very controversial up here and maybe she
violated some rule by taking it upon herself to try to help the kids prepare
for tests later on in high grades. Purely speculation on my part, though.

Eisboch

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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:57:17 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Not absurd at all. My daughter went through a very emotional, decision
making process last year with her oldest son who is 6 years old. Four
school officials (two teachers and two administrators) were fighting among
themselves about if drug treatment would help his "daydreaming"
nature......

Yes, truly ....... absurd.

Your daughter became emotional while *school officials* offered advice
on *medical* treatment?

Sounds like a no-brainer, to me.....


Gene, the process included several meetings involving my daughter, her
husband, two teachers and two school administrators ... one of them a school
psychologist who discussed the merits of drug treatment, but didn't know my
grandson or any particulars other than what the 23 year old (self diagnosed
with AADD) teacher reported. The meetings consisted of the teachers and
administrators heavily arguing the subject and pros/cons of the drug
treatment while my daughter and son-in-law simply listened in shock. My
daughter, a typical loving and very conscientious mother, wanted only what
was best for her son and the process wore her down with concern and worry.
I got involved, but had to be careful that my personal feelings on the
subject and plain ol' "old fashionness" didn't influence her decision. I
recommended getting a professional opinion outside of the school system and
she decided that her family doctor would be a good place to start.

After hearing what was going on her doctor was genuinely ****ed and ended
the debate very quickly with one phone call to the school.

Eisboch

On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:34:39 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:57:27 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

There's nothing wrong with "just" being a teacher, as long as you're very
good at it. I mean, if you're an excellent physicist, why would you leave
that field to teach, especially if it means getting another degree just to
be licensed as a teacher? I had excellent teachers who never worked in
physics, biology or whatever. So does my son. What about math teachers?
What
would their non-teaching field me? Mathematician?

I was involved in 2 excellent educational systems as a student and as
an instructor. IBM and the US Navy.
Both had a policy that teaching was not a profession and everyone
should move on to keep fresh blood flowing in the system. In my
private high school they also hired teachers who were going to move
on. Most were grad students or people who had worked in the field they
taught in some way. It made a lot more interesting classes.

What's a math whiz supposed to move on to?


Destroyer Executive Officer.
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:30:20 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:09:28 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

If the kids can't behave, yank them out
and stuff them into classes with the rest of the nincompoops.

They tried that in Montgomery Country Md and got sued over it. This
wasn't some kind of detention hall class either. They had extra
teachers, a stronger curriculum and more money in the program,. The
problerm was the racial makeup of the remedial class.

Ditto for Fairfax County, VA. For two years we could kick a kid out and
send him/her to alternative instructional room. That got stopped because
parents were not able to appeal the decision. Now a student must be
referred to a principal who may chose to put the student in alternative
instruction for a day. But the parents must get a week's notice so they can
appeal.

More ACLU crap.
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 17:40:02 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
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Rich, what was their 'reason' for firing her? Here a teacher can get fired
for giving hints during the actual Standards of Learning test, but
practice
tests have no such requirements.

In fact, when teachers administer the SOL test here, there will be another
person in the room to monitor the teacher!

I don't know anymore than I posted. I just found out about this yesterday.
The MCAS testing program is very controversial up here and maybe she
violated some rule by taking it upon herself to try to help the kids prepare
for tests later on in high grades. Purely speculation on my part, though.

Eisboch



A quick peak (http://www.mcaspass.com/testmastery/mcas/mdoe.html ) shows
the MCAS to be very similar, at least in purpose, to the Virginia Standards
of Learning test.

The VSOL was controversial at first, with some teachers, parents, and
students against it. This became especially true when Virginia mandated
that certain tests must be passed for the student to get a high school
diploma. Now most teachers are thankful that the tests exist and is being
used to set a standard. They provide a 'stick' that even administrators
can't remove.
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