"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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wrote:
On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:40:57 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

"As Sommers understood, it is boys’ aggressive and rationalist nature
- redefined by educators as a behavioral disorder - that’s getting so
many of them in trouble in the feminized schools. Their problem: they
don’t want to be girls."

It is not just a boy/girl thing. Public schools want to dumb everyone
down to the level of the insipid assholes who run the public school
system. If some kid does start to show creativity or finds themselves
bored with this dull gray regimen they immediately get labelled ADD
and get drugged into submission.



That's absurd, and you should know it.

Not absurd at all. My daughter went through a very emotional, decision
making process last year with her oldest son who is 6 years old. Four
school officials (two teachers and two administrators) were fighting among
themselves about if drug treatment would help his "daydreaming" nature. One
of the teachers who was the most vocal advocate of the treatment finally
admitted that she had self-diagnosed herself with adult ADD and was on
medication. She even started to recommend what type of medication he should
have.

My daughter finally sought advice from her family doctor who told the school
teachers and officials to leave the kid alone .... he's a perfectly normal 6
year old.

The teacher in question got very demanding, bordering on threats to go to
social services to support her recommendation.

Eisboch

On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:57:17 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:40:57 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

"As Sommers understood, it is boys’ aggressive and rationalist nature
- redefined by educators as a behavioral disorder - that’s getting so
many of them in trouble in the feminized schools. Their problem: they
don’t want to be girls."

It is not just a boy/girl thing. Public schools want to dumb everyone
down to the level of the insipid assholes who run the public school
system. If some kid does start to show creativity or finds themselves
bored with this dull gray regimen they immediately get labelled ADD
and get drugged into submission.



That's absurd, and you should know it.

Not absurd at all. My daughter went through a very emotional, decision
making process last year with her oldest son who is 6 years old. Four
school officials (two teachers and two administrators) were fighting among
themselves about if drug treatment would help his "daydreaming" nature. One
of the teachers who was the most vocal advocate of the treatment finally
admitted that she had self-diagnosed herself with adult ADD and was on
medication. She even started to recommend what type of medication he should
have.

My daughter finally sought advice from her family doctor who told the school
teachers and officials to leave the kid alone .... he's a perfectly normal 6
year old.

The teacher in question got very demanding, bordering on threats to go to
social services to support her recommendation.

Eisboch


Glad to hear your daughter stuck by her guns. It's not the job of a teacher
to diagnose mental problems. But, I've heard plenty of cases where they
have.

Once a disruptive student's mother told me she couldn't do anything with
her son because she had ADD. She further told me that the boy's father had
ADHD. She acted as though these were badges of honor, absolving them of any
responsibility for the boy's behavior. That left only me to be responsible.
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"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:57:17 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
m...
wrote:
On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:40:57 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

"As Sommers understood, it is boys' aggressive and rationalist nature
- redefined by educators as a behavioral disorder - that's getting so
many of them in trouble in the feminized schools. Their problem: they
don't want to be girls."

It is not just a boy/girl thing. Public schools want to dumb everyone
down to the level of the insipid assholes who run the public school
system. If some kid does start to show creativity or finds themselves
bored with this dull gray regimen they immediately get labelled ADD
and get drugged into submission.



That's absurd, and you should know it.

Not absurd at all. My daughter went through a very emotional, decision
making process last year with her oldest son who is 6 years old. Four
school officials (two teachers and two administrators) were fighting among
themselves about if drug treatment would help his "daydreaming" nature.
One
of the teachers who was the most vocal advocate of the treatment finally
admitted that she had self-diagnosed herself with adult ADD and was on
medication. She even started to recommend what type of medication he
should
have.

My daughter finally sought advice from her family doctor who told the
school
teachers and officials to leave the kid alone .... he's a perfectly normal
6
year old.

The teacher in question got very demanding, bordering on threats to go to
social services to support her recommendation.

Eisboch


Glad to hear your daughter stuck by her guns. It's not the job of a
teacher
to diagnose mental problems. But, I've heard plenty of cases where they
have.

Once a disruptive student's mother told me she couldn't do anything with
her son because she had ADD. She further told me that the boy's father
had
ADHD. She acted as though these were badges of honor, absolving them of
any
responsibility for the boy's behavior. That left only me to be
responsible.
John

I had a Latin teacher who, in a past life, was a USMC drill sergeant. He
knew how to deal with ADD, even though it didn't have a label yet in the
1960s (AFAIK). He'd get RIGHT IN a kid's face and yell loud enough to blow
the kid's hair straight back. Worked like a charm. Everybody learned Latin.
My 9th & 12th grade bio teacher did something equally terrifying. If your
grades dipped below 90, or you didn't show up for her "voluntary" monthly
after school review sessions, she'd call your parents and read THEM the riot
act. She believed in fear as a motivator. It worked. Parents would start
pulling strings and bringing cookies to the principal two years ahead of
time to make sure their kids got her as a teacher, instead of the other
teacher, who had some issues involving religion vs. science. And, many of us
still walk around chanting "kingdom phylum class order family genus
species". :-)

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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:57:17 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

she had self-diagnosed herself with adult ADD and was on
medication.

The real absurdity is that Adderal, the most popular AADD medication
is basically Biphetimine, the same old "Black Beauty" the DEA had
banned in the 80s except it is a tan capsule now.


The "teacher" was only 23 years old at the time as well. I had a very
difficult time with the whole fiasco and almost cheered when the doc told
them to leave him alone.

Eisboch

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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I had a Latin teacher who, in a past life, was a USMC drill sergeant. He
knew how to deal with ADD, even though it didn't have a label yet in the
1960s (AFAIK). He'd get RIGHT IN a kid's face and yell loud enough to blow
the kid's hair straight back. Worked like a charm. Everybody learned
Latin.


That's the type of educators I remember and respect. Very effective and no
drugs involved.

Today, he'd be sued.

Kibosh

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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I had a Latin teacher who, in a past life, was a USMC drill sergeant. He
knew how to deal with ADD, even though it didn't have a label yet in the
1960s (AFAIK). He'd get RIGHT IN a kid's face and yell loud enough to
blow the kid's hair straight back. Worked like a charm. Everybody
learned Latin.


That's the type of educators I remember and respect. Very effective and
no drugs involved.

Today, he'd be sued.

Kibosh


I had lots of great teachers in my K-12 years, but, fortunately, not one
was a former Marine who had failed to adjust to the real world. If any
teacher had pulled that on me, my father would have cold-cocked him. Of
course, if I had misbehaved in class, my father would have done the same
to me, or at least threatened to do so.

Bull****, Harry. The real world includes kids with behavior problems, some
of which are unrelated to any sort of syndrome with a name. If the parents
were doing their jobs, the kids wouldn't be behaving badly in school. The
job then falls to the teacher, who creates an environment which benefits the
majority. If that involves grinding a heel into one or two wise guys, so be
it. I know several from high school. They were not damaged by being slammed
on a regular basis, and they're now well-adjusted people.

I think you just have a problem with what I wrote because it included
"USMC". But, it's a rare kid who doesn't need a "holy **** what just
happened" moment occasionally.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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I had a Latin teacher who, in a past life, was a USMC drill sergeant.
He knew how to deal with ADD, even though it didn't have a label yet
in the 1960s (AFAIK). He'd get RIGHT IN a kid's face and yell loud
enough to blow the kid's hair straight back. Worked like a charm.
Everybody learned Latin.

That's the type of educators I remember and respect. Very effective
and no drugs involved.

Today, he'd be sued.

Kibosh

I had lots of great teachers in my K-12 years, but, fortunately, not one
was a former Marine who had failed to adjust to the real world. If any
teacher had pulled that on me, my father would have cold-cocked him. Of
course, if I had misbehaved in class, my father would have done the same
to me, or at least threatened to do so.

Bull****, Harry. The real world includes kids with behavior problems,
some of which are unrelated to any sort of syndrome with a name. If the
parents were doing their jobs, the kids wouldn't be behaving badly in
school. The job then falls to the teacher, who creates an environment
which benefits the majority. If that involves grinding a heel into one or
two wise guys, so be it. I know several from high school. They were not
damaged by being slammed on a regular basis, and they're now
well-adjusted people.

I think you just have a problem with what I wrote because it included
"USMC". But, it's a rare kid who doesn't need a "holy **** what just
happened" moment occasionally.


Nope. Teachers with anger management and aggression problems have no place
in the public schools. That former marine you referenced simply did not
have the proper skills to do his new job. If I had heard of a teacher like
that in my kids' schools, I would have led the parents' effort to have him
transferred out of the classroom. Perhaps "Detention Class" would be the
best place for him.

I wonder if that former marine uses the same tactics to "discipline" his
wife and kids? Betcha he does.

Actually, he was a very soft spoken guy 99.99% of the time, with a great
sense of humor and endless patience, until one or two kids asked for
trouble.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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I had a Latin teacher who, in a past life, was a USMC drill
sergeant. He knew how to deal with ADD, even though it didn't have a
label yet in the 1960s (AFAIK). He'd get RIGHT IN a kid's face and
yell loud enough to blow the kid's hair straight back. Worked like a
charm. Everybody learned Latin.

That's the type of educators I remember and respect. Very effective
and no drugs involved.

Today, he'd be sued.

Kibosh
I had lots of great teachers in my K-12 years, but, fortunately, not
one was a former Marine who had failed to adjust to the real world. If
any teacher had pulled that on me, my father would have cold-cocked
him. Of course, if I had misbehaved in class, my father would have
done the same to me, or at least threatened to do so.
Bull****, Harry. The real world includes kids with behavior problems,
some of which are unrelated to any sort of syndrome with a name. If the
parents were doing their jobs, the kids wouldn't be behaving badly in
school. The job then falls to the teacher, who creates an environment
which benefits the majority. If that involves grinding a heel into one
or two wise guys, so be it. I know several from high school. They were
not damaged by being slammed on a regular basis, and they're now
well-adjusted people.

I think you just have a problem with what I wrote because it included
"USMC". But, it's a rare kid who doesn't need a "holy **** what just
happened" moment occasionally.

Nope. Teachers with anger management and aggression problems have no
place in the public schools. That former marine you referenced simply
did not have the proper skills to do his new job. If I had heard of a
teacher like that in my kids' schools, I would have led the parents'
effort to have him transferred out of the classroom. Perhaps "Detention
Class" would be the best place for him.

I wonder if that former marine uses the same tactics to "discipline" his
wife and kids? Betcha he does.

Actually, he was a very soft spoken guy 99.99% of the time, with a great
sense of humor and endless patience, until one or two kids asked for
trouble.


Well, then, he had the skills to handle discipline/inattentiveness
problems properly, but chose not to use them. "Grinding heels into wise
guys" is not how teachers are supposed to behave in the classroom.

Sure it is. And, he only needed to do it once or twice, and things changed
permanently. There are some people you cannot reason with. You know: The
54%. Some of them manage to sneak into Latin classes and advanced placement
courses.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Nope. Teachers with anger management and aggression problems have no place
in the public schools. That former marine you referenced simply did not
have the proper skills to do his new job. If I had heard of a teacher like
that in my kids' schools, I would have led the parents' effort to have him
transferred out of the classroom. Perhaps "Detention Class" would be the
best place for him.

I wonder if that former marine uses the same tactics to "discipline" his
wife and kids? Betcha he does.



Harry, in those days he probably had all he could do to not burst out
laughing.
Hardly a case of problems with anger management. He was simply getting the
kid's attention.
I had teachers like that and they were not former marines. Some were 50-60
year old women.

Eisboch

On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:51:09 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:57:17 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
om...
wrote:
On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:40:57 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

"As Sommers understood, it is boys' aggressive and rationalist nature
- redefined by educators as a behavioral disorder - that's getting so
many of them in trouble in the feminized schools. Their problem: they
don't want to be girls."

It is not just a boy/girl thing. Public schools want to dumb everyone
down to the level of the insipid assholes who run the public school
system. If some kid does start to show creativity or finds themselves
bored with this dull gray regimen they immediately get labelled ADD
and get drugged into submission.



That's absurd, and you should know it.

Not absurd at all. My daughter went through a very emotional, decision
making process last year with her oldest son who is 6 years old. Four
school officials (two teachers and two administrators) were fighting among
themselves about if drug treatment would help his "daydreaming" nature.
One
of the teachers who was the most vocal advocate of the treatment finally
admitted that she had self-diagnosed herself with adult ADD and was on
medication. She even started to recommend what type of medication he
should
have.

My daughter finally sought advice from her family doctor who told the
school
teachers and officials to leave the kid alone .... he's a perfectly normal
6
year old.

The teacher in question got very demanding, bordering on threats to go to
social services to support her recommendation.

Eisboch


Glad to hear your daughter stuck by her guns. It's not the job of a
teacher
to diagnose mental problems. But, I've heard plenty of cases where they
have.

Once a disruptive student's mother told me she couldn't do anything with
her son because she had ADD. She further told me that the boy's father
had
ADHD. She acted as though these were badges of honor, absolving them of
any
responsibility for the boy's behavior. That left only me to be
responsible.
John

I had a Latin teacher who, in a past life, was a USMC drill sergeant. He
knew how to deal with ADD, even though it didn't have a label yet in the
1960s (AFAIK). He'd get RIGHT IN a kid's face and yell loud enough to blow
the kid's hair straight back. Worked like a charm. Everybody learned Latin.
My 9th & 12th grade bio teacher did something equally terrifying. If your
grades dipped below 90, or you didn't show up for her "voluntary" monthly
after school review sessions, she'd call your parents and read THEM the riot
act. She believed in fear as a motivator. It worked. Parents would start
pulling strings and bringing cookies to the principal two years ahead of
time to make sure their kids got her as a teacher, instead of the other
teacher, who had some issues involving religion vs. science. And, many of us
still walk around chanting "kingdom phylum class order family genus
species". :-)


I had nice, quiet, serene little nuns, who'd just smack the **** out of the
side of my head.
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******************************************
***** Hope your day is great! *****
******************************************

John