"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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wrote:
On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:40:57 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

"As Sommers understood, it is boys’ aggressive and rationalist nature
- redefined by educators as a behavioral disorder - that’s getting so
many of them in trouble in the feminized schools. Their problem: they
don’t want to be girls."

It is not just a boy/girl thing. Public schools want to dumb everyone
down to the level of the insipid assholes who run the public school
system. If some kid does start to show creativity or finds themselves
bored with this dull gray regimen they immediately get labelled ADD
and get drugged into submission.



That's absurd, and you should know it.

Not absurd at all. My daughter went through a very emotional, decision
making process last year with her oldest son who is 6 years old. Four
school officials (two teachers and two administrators) were fighting among
themselves about if drug treatment would help his "daydreaming" nature. One
of the teachers who was the most vocal advocate of the treatment finally
admitted that she had self-diagnosed herself with adult ADD and was on
medication. She even started to recommend what type of medication he should
have.

My daughter finally sought advice from her family doctor who told the school
teachers and officials to leave the kid alone .... he's a perfectly normal 6
year old.

The teacher in question got very demanding, bordering on threats to go to
social services to support her recommendation.

Eisboch

On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:57:17 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:40:57 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

"As Sommers understood, it is boys’ aggressive and rationalist nature
- redefined by educators as a behavioral disorder - that’s getting so
many of them in trouble in the feminized schools. Their problem: they
don’t want to be girls."

It is not just a boy/girl thing. Public schools want to dumb everyone
down to the level of the insipid assholes who run the public school
system. If some kid does start to show creativity or finds themselves
bored with this dull gray regimen they immediately get labelled ADD
and get drugged into submission.



That's absurd, and you should know it.

Not absurd at all. My daughter went through a very emotional, decision
making process last year with her oldest son who is 6 years old. Four
school officials (two teachers and two administrators) were fighting among
themselves about if drug treatment would help his "daydreaming" nature. One
of the teachers who was the most vocal advocate of the treatment finally
admitted that she had self-diagnosed herself with adult ADD and was on
medication. She even started to recommend what type of medication he should
have.

My daughter finally sought advice from her family doctor who told the school
teachers and officials to leave the kid alone .... he's a perfectly normal 6
year old.

The teacher in question got very demanding, bordering on threats to go to
social services to support her recommendation.

Eisboch


Glad to hear your daughter stuck by her guns. It's not the job of a teacher
to diagnose mental problems. But, I've heard plenty of cases where they
have.

Once a disruptive student's mother told me she couldn't do anything with
her son because she had ADD. She further told me that the boy's father had
ADHD. She acted as though these were badges of honor, absolving them of any
responsibility for the boy's behavior. That left only me to be responsible.
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***** Hope your day is great! *****
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John

"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:57:17 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
m...
wrote:
On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:40:57 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

"As Sommers understood, it is boys' aggressive and rationalist nature
- redefined by educators as a behavioral disorder - that's getting so
many of them in trouble in the feminized schools. Their problem: they
don't want to be girls."

It is not just a boy/girl thing. Public schools want to dumb everyone
down to the level of the insipid assholes who run the public school
system. If some kid does start to show creativity or finds themselves
bored with this dull gray regimen they immediately get labelled ADD
and get drugged into submission.



That's absurd, and you should know it.

Not absurd at all. My daughter went through a very emotional, decision
making process last year with her oldest son who is 6 years old. Four
school officials (two teachers and two administrators) were fighting among
themselves about if drug treatment would help his "daydreaming" nature.
One
of the teachers who was the most vocal advocate of the treatment finally
admitted that she had self-diagnosed herself with adult ADD and was on
medication. She even started to recommend what type of medication he
should
have.

My daughter finally sought advice from her family doctor who told the
school
teachers and officials to leave the kid alone .... he's a perfectly normal
6
year old.

The teacher in question got very demanding, bordering on threats to go to
social services to support her recommendation.

Eisboch


Glad to hear your daughter stuck by her guns. It's not the job of a
teacher
to diagnose mental problems. But, I've heard plenty of cases where they
have.

Once a disruptive student's mother told me she couldn't do anything with
her son because she had ADD. She further told me that the boy's father
had
ADHD. She acted as though these were badges of honor, absolving them of
any
responsibility for the boy's behavior. That left only me to be
responsible.
John

I had a Latin teacher who, in a past life, was a USMC drill sergeant. He
knew how to deal with ADD, even though it didn't have a label yet in the
1960s (AFAIK). He'd get RIGHT IN a kid's face and yell loud enough to blow
the kid's hair straight back. Worked like a charm. Everybody learned Latin.
My 9th & 12th grade bio teacher did something equally terrifying. If your
grades dipped below 90, or you didn't show up for her "voluntary" monthly
after school review sessions, she'd call your parents and read THEM the riot
act. She believed in fear as a motivator. It worked. Parents would start
pulling strings and bringing cookies to the principal two years ahead of
time to make sure their kids got her as a teacher, instead of the other
teacher, who had some issues involving religion vs. science. And, many of us
still walk around chanting "kingdom phylum class order family genus
species". :-)

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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I had a Latin teacher who, in a past life, was a USMC drill sergeant. He
knew how to deal with ADD, even though it didn't have a label yet in the
1960s (AFAIK). He'd get RIGHT IN a kid's face and yell loud enough to blow
the kid's hair straight back. Worked like a charm. Everybody learned
Latin.


That's the type of educators I remember and respect. Very effective and no
drugs involved.

Today, he'd be sued.

Kibosh

On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:51:09 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:57:17 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
om...
wrote:
On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:40:57 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

"As Sommers understood, it is boys' aggressive and rationalist nature
- redefined by educators as a behavioral disorder - that's getting so
many of them in trouble in the feminized schools. Their problem: they
don't want to be girls."

It is not just a boy/girl thing. Public schools want to dumb everyone
down to the level of the insipid assholes who run the public school
system. If some kid does start to show creativity or finds themselves
bored with this dull gray regimen they immediately get labelled ADD
and get drugged into submission.



That's absurd, and you should know it.

Not absurd at all. My daughter went through a very emotional, decision
making process last year with her oldest son who is 6 years old. Four
school officials (two teachers and two administrators) were fighting among
themselves about if drug treatment would help his "daydreaming" nature.
One
of the teachers who was the most vocal advocate of the treatment finally
admitted that she had self-diagnosed herself with adult ADD and was on
medication. She even started to recommend what type of medication he
should
have.

My daughter finally sought advice from her family doctor who told the
school
teachers and officials to leave the kid alone .... he's a perfectly normal
6
year old.

The teacher in question got very demanding, bordering on threats to go to
social services to support her recommendation.

Eisboch


Glad to hear your daughter stuck by her guns. It's not the job of a
teacher
to diagnose mental problems. But, I've heard plenty of cases where they
have.

Once a disruptive student's mother told me she couldn't do anything with
her son because she had ADD. She further told me that the boy's father
had
ADHD. She acted as though these were badges of honor, absolving them of
any
responsibility for the boy's behavior. That left only me to be
responsible.
John

I had a Latin teacher who, in a past life, was a USMC drill sergeant. He
knew how to deal with ADD, even though it didn't have a label yet in the
1960s (AFAIK). He'd get RIGHT IN a kid's face and yell loud enough to blow
the kid's hair straight back. Worked like a charm. Everybody learned Latin.
My 9th & 12th grade bio teacher did something equally terrifying. If your
grades dipped below 90, or you didn't show up for her "voluntary" monthly
after school review sessions, she'd call your parents and read THEM the riot
act. She believed in fear as a motivator. It worked. Parents would start
pulling strings and bringing cookies to the principal two years ahead of
time to make sure their kids got her as a teacher, instead of the other
teacher, who had some issues involving religion vs. science. And, many of us
still walk around chanting "kingdom phylum class order family genus
species". :-)


I had nice, quiet, serene little nuns, who'd just smack the **** out of the
side of my head.
--
******************************************
***** Hope your day is great! *****
******************************************

John

Eisboch wrote:
Not absurd at all. My daughter went through a very emotional, decision
making process last year with her oldest son who is 6 years old. Four
school officials (two teachers and two administrators) were fighting among
themselves about if drug treatment would help his "daydreaming" nature.

That's ridiculous. It is not the school's job to decide
whether or not a kid should be given behavior modifying
drugs. It is the school's job to report the kids behavior
and let the parents make the decision.


.... One
of the teachers who was the most vocal advocate of the treatment finally
admitted that she had self-diagnosed herself with adult ADD and was on
medication. She even started to recommend what type of medication he should
have.


That's spooky. The teacher as a drug pusher? New paradigm or
nightmare socialist power-grab? That teacher should be put
in drug rehab herself.

People who cannot be happy or productive have the choice to
take drugs, but the drugs can only change their perception.
Drugs will not change reality. And people who choose to take
drugs are dope addicts, whether they take vodka or heroin or
prozac or some ritalin-equivalent.

It is abhorrent to me that American society has sunk to the
level of insisting that citizens must be drugged in order to
"fit in." This is the kind of stuff that horror/science
fiction novels were about 30 years ago.


My daughter finally sought advice from her family doctor who told the school
teachers and officials to leave the kid alone .... he's a perfectly normal 6
year old.

The teacher in question got very demanding, bordering on threats to go to
social services to support her recommendation.


She'll self-destruct sooner later. Best to keep distant from
such an individual.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Eisboch wrote:
Not absurd at all. My daughter went through a very emotional, decision
making process last year with her oldest son who is 6 years old. Four
school officials (two teachers and two administrators) were fighting
among themselves about if drug treatment would help his "daydreaming"
nature.

That's ridiculous. It is not the school's job to decide whether or not a
kid should be given behavior modifying drugs. It is the school's job to
report the kids behavior and let the parents make the decision.


.... One of the teachers who was the most vocal advocate of the
treatment finally admitted that she had self-diagnosed herself with adult
ADD and was on medication. She even started to recommend what type of
medication he should have.


That's spooky. The teacher as a drug pusher? New paradigm or nightmare
socialist power-grab? That teacher should be put in drug rehab herself.

People who cannot be happy or productive have the choice to take drugs,
but the drugs can only change their perception. Drugs will not change
reality. And people who choose to take drugs are dope addicts, whether
they take vodka or heroin or prozac or some ritalin-equivalent.

It is abhorrent to me that American society has sunk to the level of
insisting that citizens must be drugged in order to "fit in." This is the
kind of stuff that horror/science fiction novels were about 30 years ago.


My daughter finally sought advice from her family doctor who told the
school teachers and officials to leave the kid alone .... he's a
perfectly normal 6 year old.

The teacher in question got very demanding, bordering on threats to go to
social services to support her recommendation.


She'll self-destruct sooner later. Best to keep distant from such an
individual.

DSK


The schools also get extra money for "Challenged kids". And an ADD drugged
kid qualifies. School people should be prosecuted for practicing medicine
without a license the first time they try to get the child on a drug
program! They should at the most be able to refer him to a licensed medical
professional.