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Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... If you don't mind paying $700.00 - 800.00 out of pocket, you can get an MRI scan within a week or two here at a private clinic. If Joe USA with a company paid HMO health plan had to do that, he'd scream bloody murder. Those without a health plan will get it for free, if it is related to a life threatening injury or disease. HMOs and PTOs screwed up health insurance here in the USA royally, IMHO. We should go back to inexpensive major medical coverage for catastrophic injury or illness. The rest we should pay for and it should be free for those that can't. Eisboch I agree. If I need an x-ray and money's tight, I can put it on a credit card. And, there's never a problem with $60 office visits to the internist. Meanwhile, I'm paying $300 a month for Blue Choice, for medical needs which may never happen. I'd love to have a policy that covered everything over X amount - $2K a year, or some such thing. Then get a Medical Savings Account: http://www.forhealthfreedom.org/Publ...hIns/MSAs.html Yeah...that's on my list of things to do during vacation, when the damned phones stop ringing. Speaking of work, can I interest you in 1150 cases (9,200 64 oz bottles) of Indian Summer apple juice? $16.00 per case, delivered, but you have to take the whole truck. $18,400.00. Net 10 days. Plastic or glass bottles? Plastic. Prepare to provide a D&B number. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... If you don't mind paying $700.00 - 800.00 out of pocket, you can get an MRI scan within a week or two here at a private clinic. If Joe USA with a company paid HMO health plan had to do that, he'd scream bloody murder. Those without a health plan will get it for free, if it is related to a life threatening injury or disease. HMOs and PTOs screwed up health insurance here in the USA royally, IMHO. We should go back to inexpensive major medical coverage for catastrophic injury or illness. The rest we should pay for and it should be free for those that can't. Eisboch I agree. If I need an x-ray and money's tight, I can put it on a credit card. And, there's never a problem with $60 office visits to the internist. Meanwhile, I'm paying $300 a month for Blue Choice, for medical needs which may never happen. I'd love to have a policy that covered everything over X amount - $2K a year, or some such thing. Who is forcing you to pay $300 per month for health insurance? Most employers will allow you to decline coverage. Just think of how you can better spend your money each month than some guy in a cubicle somewhere in Indiana with a slide rule and an actuarial table? |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
"NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 16:12:32 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote: Still why is the health care people receive in the US better than anywhere else in the world, even those socialist countries? I'm not sure that's an accurate statement. I have heard it argued that we have the best emergency health care system, with all the bells and whistles, but if you were to look at statistics directly related to health care, life expectancy, infant mortality, etc. we aren't at the top of the list. I posted this link to another of your posts: http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515 If money were no object, and you could choose to have a lifesaving procedure anywhere in the world, where would you choose to have it done? Israel. Why? It seems as if their best doctors are working in NY. Or at the Cleveland Clinic. ;-) |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:36:47 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote: Why do Canadian's come to the US for health care? Because they can see a doctor or get an MRI next week rather the 10 months from now. http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515 " by Physicians for a National Health Program " LOL. No bias there. Yeah. Like Doctors Without Borders, or Albert Schweitzer. Blinded by an agenda. They are not blinded by an agenda, they are guided by an agenda. Just because you believe it a good activity doesn't mean I have to believe the same. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
thunder wrote:
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 16:12:32 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote: Still why is the health care people receive in the US better than anywhere else in the world, even those socialist countries? I'm not sure that's an accurate statement. I have heard it argued that we have the best emergency health care system, with all the bells and whistles, but if you were to look at statistics directly related to health care, life expectancy, infant mortality, etc. we aren't at the top of the list. I posted this link to another of your posts: http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515 And, I responded that I do not believe that a National Health Care plan is what is needed. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:36:47 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote: Why do Canadian's come to the US for health care? Because they can see a doctor or get an MRI next week rather the 10 months from now. http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515 "Most of what we hear about the Canadian health care system is negative; in particular, the long waiting times for medical procedures. But we found that waiting times affect few patients, only 3.5% of Canadians vs. 0.7% of people in the U.S." How is that not significant? If I wrote the headline, it would read: "Five times as many Canadian patients are affected by long waiting times compared to American patients". The fact that the author downplays that important fact, yet hypes another fact like "9.9% of U.S. respondents couldn't afford medicine vs. 5.1% in Canada", shows his bias. No matter what country you're talking about, why should it EVER be a luxury item? I know the usual drivel: It's not mentioned in the Constitution, but that's not a good enough reason. Health insurance ought to be made more affordable. Period. Start with the insurers. Repeal that damn McCarron-Ferguson Act, and put insurance under Federal regulation. Allow small businesses to band together across state lines and purchase insurance through their national associations. I wouldn't be opposed to paying higher taxes to cover medical insurance if I didn't have to spend what I currently spend on health insurance...*AND* I could get coverage at least as good as what I currently have. It costs my family $1200/month for insurance. Add that to the $800/month I spend for my employees, and that's $24000/year that I spend on health insurance. They could raise my tax rate 5 percentage points and it would still be cheaper than what I'm paying now. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... If you don't mind paying $700.00 - 800.00 out of pocket, you can get an MRI scan within a week or two here at a private clinic. If Joe USA with a company paid HMO health plan had to do that, he'd scream bloody murder. Those without a health plan will get it for free, if it is related to a life threatening injury or disease. HMOs and PTOs screwed up health insurance here in the USA royally, IMHO. We should go back to inexpensive major medical coverage for catastrophic injury or illness. The rest we should pay for and it should be free for those that can't. Eisboch I agree. If I need an x-ray and money's tight, I can put it on a credit card. And, there's never a problem with $60 office visits to the internist. Meanwhile, I'm paying $300 a month for Blue Choice, for medical needs which may never happen. I'd love to have a policy that covered everything over X amount - $2K a year, or some such thing. Who is forcing you to pay $300 per month for health insurance? Most employers will allow you to decline coverage. Just think of how you can better spend your money each month than some guy in a cubicle somewhere in Indiana with a slide rule and an actuarial table? Long story. How do you plan to handle something like cancer care, which can reach 50-100K in less than a year? Out of your pocket? Sell the house? Cash in all your retirement investments? |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:36:47 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote: Why do Canadian's come to the US for health care? Because they can see a doctor or get an MRI next week rather the 10 months from now. http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515 " by Physicians for a National Health Program " LOL. No bias there. Yeah. Like Doctors Without Borders, or Albert Schweitzer. Blinded by an agenda. They are not blinded by an agenda, they are guided by an agenda. Just because you believe it a good activity doesn't mean I have to believe the same. What's funny is that they might be right. It might work. Ha ha. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 20:51:54 +0000, NOYB wrote:
If money were no object, and you could choose to have a lifesaving procedure anywhere in the world, where would you choose to have it done? I have no problem with the quality of American health care. I do have concerns about availability and costs. Statistics of life expectancy, infant mortality, etc. show that our health care availability is not what it could be. It is also true that our health care costs are @ 15% GDP, as opposed to Canada's *universal* care at @ 10% GDP. Quality of care issues aside, that 5% puts us at a competitive disadvantage in the global marketplace. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:36:47 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote: Why do Canadian's come to the US for health care? Because they can see a doctor or get an MRI next week rather the 10 months from now. http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515 "Most of what we hear about the Canadian health care system is negative; in particular, the long waiting times for medical procedures. But we found that waiting times affect few patients, only 3.5% of Canadians vs. 0.7% of people in the U.S." How is that not significant? If I wrote the headline, it would read: "Five times as many Canadian patients are affected by long waiting times compared to American patients". The fact that the author downplays that important fact, yet hypes another fact like "9.9% of U.S. respondents couldn't afford medicine vs. 5.1% in Canada", shows his bias. No matter what country you're talking about, why should it EVER be a luxury item? I know the usual drivel: It's not mentioned in the Constitution, but that's not a good enough reason. Nothing is preventing you from setting up a charitable foundation that will cover health costs for those that "can't afford" or simply don't want to pay for it. This method will enable you to do something good for you fellow man rather than bitching, complaining and whining about its not fair unless the government takes money from everyone to do it. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:36:47 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote: Why do Canadian's come to the US for health care? Because they can see a doctor or get an MRI next week rather the 10 months from now. http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515 "Most of what we hear about the Canadian health care system is negative; in particular, the long waiting times for medical procedures. But we found that waiting times affect few patients, only 3.5% of Canadians vs. 0.7% of people in the U.S." How is that not significant? If I wrote the headline, it would read: "Five times as many Canadian patients are affected by long waiting times compared to American patients". The fact that the author downplays that important fact, yet hypes another fact like "9.9% of U.S. respondents couldn't afford medicine vs. 5.1% in Canada", shows his bias. No matter what country you're talking about, why should it EVER be a luxury item? I know the usual drivel: It's not mentioned in the Constitution, but that's not a good enough reason. Health insurance ought to be made more affordable. Period. Start with the insurers. Repeal that damn McCarron-Ferguson Act, and put insurance under Federal regulation. Allow small businesses to band together across state lines and purchase insurance through their national associations. I wouldn't be opposed to paying higher taxes to cover medical insurance if I didn't have to spend what I currently spend on health insurance...*AND* I could get coverage at least as good as what I currently have. It costs my family $1200/month for insurance. Add that to the $800/month I spend for my employees, and that's $24000/year that I spend on health insurance. They could raise my tax rate 5 percentage points and it would still be cheaper than what I'm paying now. Oooh....government regulation. You're a liberal! |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message . .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "Jack Goff" wrote in message ... While the separate arguments he makes looks pretty good on their face, when you put them together it seems a bit like leaving the hen house unlocked, and handing the keys to the fox. Basically, let the bad oil companies alone set the price for the raw material they need, as they see fit? How's that gonna work? What are you talking about??? The henhouse is *already* unlocked! The presence of non-industry gamblers in the hedging process is the largest part of the problem. Are you saying they *belong* in the futures market because they somehow keep the oil companies honest??? The world according to Doug Kanter, aka JoeSpareBedroom, sure must be a rigid one. If I have money to invest or speculate on commodities or futures why should I be limited to specific vehicles? Your world doesn't sound like a place most of us Americans want to live in. It's already that kind of world. Walk into a brokerage firm and tell them you want to play with uncovered call options. There's a 50/50 chance that they'll walk you to the door because the regulations are designed to prevent people from jumping off bridges. However, if I have enough of a net worth I can play with uncovered call options. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... If you don't mind paying $700.00 - 800.00 out of pocket, you can get an MRI scan within a week or two here at a private clinic. If Joe USA with a company paid HMO health plan had to do that, he'd scream bloody murder. Those without a health plan will get it for free, if it is related to a life threatening injury or disease. HMOs and PTOs screwed up health insurance here in the USA royally, IMHO. We should go back to inexpensive major medical coverage for catastrophic injury or illness. The rest we should pay for and it should be free for those that can't. Eisboch I agree. If I need an x-ray and money's tight, I can put it on a credit card. And, there's never a problem with $60 office visits to the internist. Meanwhile, I'm paying $300 a month for Blue Choice, for medical needs which may never happen. I'd love to have a policy that covered everything over X amount - $2K a year, or some such thing. Then get a Medical Savings Account: http://www.forhealthfreedom.org/Publ...hIns/MSAs.html Yeah...that's on my list of things to do during vacation, when the damned phones stop ringing. Speaking of work, can I interest you in 1150 cases (9,200 64 oz bottles) of Indian Summer apple juice? $16.00 per case, delivered, but you have to take the whole truck. $18,400.00. Net 10 days. Plastic or glass bottles? Plastic. Prepare to provide a D&B number. Perfect. I could fill up my cooler on my boat. What do you figure that weighs? I don't want to exceed the maximum weight for my boat according to my CG plaque. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:36:47 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote: Why do Canadian's come to the US for health care? Because they can see a doctor or get an MRI next week rather the 10 months from now. http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515 "Most of what we hear about the Canadian health care system is negative; in particular, the long waiting times for medical procedures. But we found that waiting times affect few patients, only 3.5% of Canadians vs. 0.7% of people in the U.S." How is that not significant? If I wrote the headline, it would read: "Five times as many Canadian patients are affected by long waiting times compared to American patients". The fact that the author downplays that important fact, yet hypes another fact like "9.9% of U.S. respondents couldn't afford medicine vs. 5.1% in Canada", shows his bias. No matter what country you're talking about, why should it EVER be a luxury item? I know the usual drivel: It's not mentioned in the Constitution, but that's not a good enough reason. Nothing is preventing you from setting up a charitable foundation that will cover health costs for those that "can't afford" or simply don't want to pay for it. This method will enable you to do something good for you fellow man rather than bitching, complaining and whining about its not fair unless the government takes money from everyone to do it. You're right. No more taking money from everyone. No more highways. Buy a horse. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:36:47 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote: Why do Canadian's come to the US for health care? Because they can see a doctor or get an MRI next week rather the 10 months from now. http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515 "Most of what we hear about the Canadian health care system is negative; in particular, the long waiting times for medical procedures. But we found that waiting times affect few patients, only 3.5% of Canadians vs. 0.7% of people in the U.S." How is that not significant? If I wrote the headline, it would read: "Five times as many Canadian patients are affected by long waiting times compared to American patients". The fact that the author downplays that important fact, yet hypes another fact like "9.9% of U.S. respondents couldn't afford medicine vs. 5.1% in Canada", shows his bias. No matter what country you're talking about, why should it EVER be a luxury item? I know the usual drivel: It's not mentioned in the Constitution, but that's not a good enough reason. Health insurance ought to be made more affordable. Period. Start with the insurers. Repeal that damn McCarron-Ferguson Act, and put insurance under Federal regulation. Allow small businesses to band together across state lines and purchase insurance through their national associations. I wouldn't be opposed to paying higher taxes to cover medical insurance if I didn't have to spend what I currently spend on health insurance...*AND* I could get coverage at least as good as what I currently have. It costs my family $1200/month for insurance. Add that to the $800/month I spend for my employees, and that's $24000/year that I spend on health insurance. They could raise my tax rate 5 percentage points and it would still be cheaper than what I'm paying now. Wow! You are getting off cheap. We spend $3,000/year just on a health care spending account, with another $150/month in insurance premiums. We normally go through our spending account by June due to the number of prescription drugs my family needs, even at generic pricing. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... If you don't mind paying $700.00 - 800.00 out of pocket, you can get an MRI scan within a week or two here at a private clinic. If Joe USA with a company paid HMO health plan had to do that, he'd scream bloody murder. Those without a health plan will get it for free, if it is related to a life threatening injury or disease. HMOs and PTOs screwed up health insurance here in the USA royally, IMHO. We should go back to inexpensive major medical coverage for catastrophic injury or illness. The rest we should pay for and it should be free for those that can't. Eisboch I agree. If I need an x-ray and money's tight, I can put it on a credit card. And, there's never a problem with $60 office visits to the internist. Meanwhile, I'm paying $300 a month for Blue Choice, for medical needs which may never happen. I'd love to have a policy that covered everything over X amount - $2K a year, or some such thing. Who is forcing you to pay $300 per month for health insurance? Most employers will allow you to decline coverage. Just think of how you can better spend your money each month than some guy in a cubicle somewhere in Indiana with a slide rule and an actuarial table? Long story. How do you plan to handle something like cancer care, which can reach 50-100K in less than a year? Out of your pocket? Sell the house? Cash in all your retirement investments? Then stop whining and pay the $300 per month. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:36:47 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote: Why do Canadian's come to the US for health care? Because they can see a doctor or get an MRI next week rather the 10 months from now. http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515 " by Physicians for a National Health Program " LOL. No bias there. Yeah. Like Doctors Without Borders, or Albert Schweitzer. Blinded by an agenda. They are not blinded by an agenda, they are guided by an agenda. Just because you believe it a good activity doesn't mean I have to believe the same. What's funny is that they might be right. It might work. Ha ha. They might be wrong too. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:36:47 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote: Why do Canadian's come to the US for health care? Because they can see a doctor or get an MRI next week rather the 10 months from now. http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515 "Most of what we hear about the Canadian health care system is negative; in particular, the long waiting times for medical procedures. But we found that waiting times affect few patients, only 3.5% of Canadians vs. 0.7% of people in the U.S." How is that not significant? If I wrote the headline, it would read: "Five times as many Canadian patients are affected by long waiting times compared to American patients". The fact that the author downplays that important fact, yet hypes another fact like "9.9% of U.S. respondents couldn't afford medicine vs. 5.1% in Canada", shows his bias. No matter what country you're talking about, why should it EVER be a luxury item? I know the usual drivel: It's not mentioned in the Constitution, but that's not a good enough reason. Health insurance ought to be made more affordable. Period. Start with the insurers. Repeal that damn McCarron-Ferguson Act, and put insurance under Federal regulation. Allow small businesses to band together across state lines and purchase insurance through their national associations. I wouldn't be opposed to paying higher taxes to cover medical insurance if I didn't have to spend what I currently spend on health insurance...*AND* I could get coverage at least as good as what I currently have. It costs my family $1200/month for insurance. Add that to the $800/month I spend for my employees, and that's $24000/year that I spend on health insurance. They could raise my tax rate 5 percentage points and it would still be cheaper than what I'm paying now. Oooh....government regulation. You're a liberal! And you're a conservative: "I agree. If I need an x-ray and money's tight, I can put it on a credit card. And, there's never a problem with $60 office visits to the internist. Meanwhile, I'm paying $300 a month for Blue Choice, for medical needs which may never happen. I'd love to have a policy that covered everything over X amount - $2K a year, or some such thing. " You just described Bush's medical savings account plan. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... If you don't mind paying $700.00 - 800.00 out of pocket, you can get an MRI scan within a week or two here at a private clinic. If Joe USA with a company paid HMO health plan had to do that, he'd scream bloody murder. Those without a health plan will get it for free, if it is related to a life threatening injury or disease. HMOs and PTOs screwed up health insurance here in the USA royally, IMHO. We should go back to inexpensive major medical coverage for catastrophic injury or illness. The rest we should pay for and it should be free for those that can't. Eisboch I agree. If I need an x-ray and money's tight, I can put it on a credit card. And, there's never a problem with $60 office visits to the internist. Meanwhile, I'm paying $300 a month for Blue Choice, for medical needs which may never happen. I'd love to have a policy that covered everything over X amount - $2K a year, or some such thing. Then get a Medical Savings Account: http://www.forhealthfreedom.org/Publ...hIns/MSAs.html Yeah...that's on my list of things to do during vacation, when the damned phones stop ringing. Speaking of work, can I interest you in 1150 cases (9,200 64 oz bottles) of Indian Summer apple juice? $16.00 per case, delivered, but you have to take the whole truck. $18,400.00. Net 10 days. Plastic or glass bottles? Plastic. Prepare to provide a D&B number. Perfect. I could fill up my cooler on my boat. What do you figure that weighs? I don't want to exceed the maximum weight for my boat according to my CG plaque. 40,244 pounds, exactly. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
thunder wrote:
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 20:51:54 +0000, NOYB wrote: If money were no object, and you could choose to have a lifesaving procedure anywhere in the world, where would you choose to have it done? I have no problem with the quality of American health care. I do have concerns about availability and costs. Statistics of life expectancy, infant mortality, etc. show that our health care availability is not what it could be. It is also true that our health care costs are @ 15% GDP, as opposed to Canada's *universal* care at @ 10% GDP. Quality of care issues aside, that 5% puts us at a competitive disadvantage in the global marketplace. What is the life expectancy in Canada? |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
Harry Krause wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote: JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:36:47 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote: Why do Canadian's come to the US for health care? Because they can see a doctor or get an MRI next week rather the 10 months from now. http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515 "Most of what we hear about the Canadian health care system is negative; in particular, the long waiting times for medical procedures. But we found that waiting times affect few patients, only 3.5% of Canadians vs. 0.7% of people in the U.S." How is that not significant? If I wrote the headline, it would read: "Five times as many Canadian patients are affected by long waiting times compared to American patients". The fact that the author downplays that important fact, yet hypes another fact like "9.9% of U.S. respondents couldn't afford medicine vs. 5.1% in Canada", shows his bias. No matter what country you're talking about, why should it EVER be a luxury item? I know the usual drivel: It's not mentioned in the Constitution, but that's not a good enough reason. Nothing is preventing you from setting up a charitable foundation that will cover health costs for those that "can't afford" or simply don't want to pay for it. This method will enable you to do something good for you fellow man rather than bitching, complaining and whining about its not fair unless the government takes money from everyone to do it. Using the written word, Bertbrain, have you ever convinced anyone* of anything? * Anyone - an adult of average or higher intelligence. You would be suprised at the trust and confidence that has directly been placed in me by several thousand people. And, each one of them survivied. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
" JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:36:47 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote: Why do Canadian's come to the US for health care? Because they can see a doctor or get an MRI next week rather the 10 months from now. http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515 "Most of what we hear about the Canadian health care system is negative; in particular, the long waiting times for medical procedures. But we found that waiting times affect few patients, only 3.5% of Canadians vs. 0.7% of people in the U.S." How is that not significant? If I wrote the headline, it would read: "Five times as many Canadian patients are affected by long waiting times compared to American patients". The fact that the author downplays that important fact, yet hypes another fact like "9.9% of U.S. respondents couldn't afford medicine vs. 5.1% in Canada", shows his bias. No matter what country you're talking about, why should it EVER be a luxury item? I know the usual drivel: It's not mentioned in the Constitution, but that's not a good enough reason. Health insurance ought to be made more affordable. Period. Start with the insurers. Repeal that damn McCarron-Ferguson Act, and put insurance under Federal regulation. Allow small businesses to band together across state lines and purchase insurance through their national associations. I wouldn't be opposed to paying higher taxes to cover medical insurance if I didn't have to spend what I currently spend on health insurance...*AND* I could get coverage at least as good as what I currently have. It costs my family $1200/month for insurance. Add that to the $800/month I spend for my employees, and that's $24000/year that I spend on health insurance. They could raise my tax rate 5 percentage points and it would still be cheaper than what I'm paying now. Wow! You are getting off cheap. We spend $3,000/year just on a health care spending account, with another $150/month in insurance premiums. We normally go through our spending account by June due to the number of prescription drugs my family needs, even at generic pricing. I'm paying COBRA rates, through my ex-wife's employer plan. If I walked into Blue Choice as a new, individual customer, it would be double that amount. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
" JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:36:47 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote: Why do Canadian's come to the US for health care? Because they can see a doctor or get an MRI next week rather the 10 months from now. http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515 "Most of what we hear about the Canadian health care system is negative; in particular, the long waiting times for medical procedures. But we found that waiting times affect few patients, only 3.5% of Canadians vs. 0.7% of people in the U.S." How is that not significant? If I wrote the headline, it would read: "Five times as many Canadian patients are affected by long waiting times compared to American patients". The fact that the author downplays that important fact, yet hypes another fact like "9.9% of U.S. respondents couldn't afford medicine vs. 5.1% in Canada", shows his bias. No matter what country you're talking about, why should it EVER be a luxury item? I know the usual drivel: It's not mentioned in the Constitution, but that's not a good enough reason. Health insurance ought to be made more affordable. Period. Start with the insurers. Repeal that damn McCarron-Ferguson Act, and put insurance under Federal regulation. Allow small businesses to band together across state lines and purchase insurance through their national associations. I wouldn't be opposed to paying higher taxes to cover medical insurance if I didn't have to spend what I currently spend on health insurance...*AND* I could get coverage at least as good as what I currently have. It costs my family $1200/month for insurance. Add that to the $800/month I spend for my employees, and that's $24000/year that I spend on health insurance. They could raise my tax rate 5 percentage points and it would still be cheaper than what I'm paying now. Wow! You are getting off cheap. We spend $3,000/year just on a health care spending account, with another $150/month in insurance premiums. We normally go through our spending account by June due to the number of prescription drugs my family needs, even at generic pricing. So if you spend $3000 through June, and I assume you spend another $3000 through December, and add that to the $150/mo times 12 months, that equals $7800/year. How am I getting off cheap by spending $14,400/year for my family? And $24,000/year for my family and my employees combined? |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... I agree. If I need an x-ray and money's tight, I can put it on a credit card. And, there's never a problem with $60 office visits to the internist. Meanwhile, I'm paying $300 a month for Blue Choice, for medical needs which may never happen. I'd love to have a policy that covered everything over X amount - $2K a year, or some such thing. A few years back (mid 90's) I worked briefly for a company that was big enough to self-insure. They offered several HMO and PTO type plans (which the majority of the employees signed up for) along with a major medical plan similar to those that existed before HMOs became the rage; which I opted for. The major medical plan basically kicked in after $2,000 was paid by the insured on an annual basis, unless in the event of a catastrophic injury or illness in which case the insurance kicked in immediately. That year my wife had a bout with breast cancer, had biopsies, major surgery, chemotherapy and weekly, then monthly extensive follow-up exams. The insurance paid for everything. If I recall correctly, my premium contribution to this plan was about 8 bucks a week. I've mentioned it here before, but when I was running my company I did a survey to determine how our Blue Cross/Blue Shield HMO was being used by the employees and their families. Based on the premiums that we were paying at the time (the company paid 80%), I determined that it would be cheaper for the company to simply pay for all the well baby checkups and visits for coughs and colds and 100% pay for a major medical (non HMO) type plan for everybody for catastrophic injury or illness. The problem was that no plan was available in MA, nor would the state allow such a thing for a company of our small size. Eisboch |
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"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:36:47 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote: Why do Canadian's come to the US for health care? Because they can see a doctor or get an MRI next week rather the 10 months from now. http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515 "Most of what we hear about the Canadian health care system is negative; in particular, the long waiting times for medical procedures. But we found that waiting times affect few patients, only 3.5% of Canadians vs. 0.7% of people in the U.S." How is that not significant? If I wrote the headline, it would read: "Five times as many Canadian patients are affected by long waiting times compared to American patients". The fact that the author downplays that important fact, yet hypes another fact like "9.9% of U.S. respondents couldn't afford medicine vs. 5.1% in Canada", shows his bias. No matter what country you're talking about, why should it EVER be a luxury item? I know the usual drivel: It's not mentioned in the Constitution, but that's not a good enough reason. Health insurance ought to be made more affordable. Period. Start with the insurers. Repeal that damn McCarron-Ferguson Act, and put insurance under Federal regulation. Allow small businesses to band together across state lines and purchase insurance through their national associations. I wouldn't be opposed to paying higher taxes to cover medical insurance if I didn't have to spend what I currently spend on health insurance...*AND* I could get coverage at least as good as what I currently have. It costs my family $1200/month for insurance. Add that to the $800/month I spend for my employees, and that's $24000/year that I spend on health insurance. They could raise my tax rate 5 percentage points and it would still be cheaper than what I'm paying now. Oooh....government regulation. You're a liberal! And you're a conservative: "I agree. If I need an x-ray and money's tight, I can put it on a credit card. And, there's never a problem with $60 office visits to the internist. Meanwhile, I'm paying $300 a month for Blue Choice, for medical needs which may never happen. I'd love to have a policy that covered everything over X amount - $2K a year, or some such thing. " You just described Bush's medical savings account plan. "On August 21, 1996, President Clinton signed into law the Kassebaum-Kennedy bill that allows Americans to open a Medical Savings Account (MSA)." Unless you're finicky about the numbers, it seems to be a different president's plan. |
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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "Bert Robbins" wrote in message . .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "Jack Goff" wrote in message ... While the separate arguments he makes looks pretty good on their face, when you put them together it seems a bit like leaving the hen house unlocked, and handing the keys to the fox. Basically, let the bad oil companies alone set the price for the raw material they need, as they see fit? How's that gonna work? What are you talking about??? The henhouse is *already* unlocked! The presence of non-industry gamblers in the hedging process is the largest part of the problem. Are you saying they *belong* in the futures market because they somehow keep the oil companies honest??? The world according to Doug Kanter, aka JoeSpareBedroom, sure must be a rigid one. If I have money to invest or speculate on commodities or futures why should I be limited to specific vehicles? Your world doesn't sound like a place most of us Americans want to live in. It's already that kind of world. Walk into a brokerage firm and tell them you want to play with uncovered call options. There's a 50/50 chance that they'll walk you to the door because the regulations are designed to prevent people from jumping off bridges. However, if I have enough of a net worth I can play with uncovered call options. Anyway...back to the oil subject: Oil is a product too important to be fiddled with by monkeys. Would you agree that when the price increases by 50%, it affects parts of the economy in negative ways? |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "Bert Robbins" wrote in message . .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "Jack Goff" wrote in message ... While the separate arguments he makes looks pretty good on their face, when you put them together it seems a bit like leaving the hen house unlocked, and handing the keys to the fox. Basically, let the bad oil companies alone set the price for the raw material they need, as they see fit? How's that gonna work? What are you talking about??? The henhouse is *already* unlocked! The presence of non-industry gamblers in the hedging process is the largest part of the problem. Are you saying they *belong* in the futures market because they somehow keep the oil companies honest??? The world according to Doug Kanter, aka JoeSpareBedroom, sure must be a rigid one. If I have money to invest or speculate on commodities or futures why should I be limited to specific vehicles? Your world doesn't sound like a place most of us Americans want to live in. It's already that kind of world. Walk into a brokerage firm and tell them you want to play with uncovered call options. There's a 50/50 chance that they'll walk you to the door because the regulations are designed to prevent people from jumping off bridges. However, if I have enough of a net worth I can play with uncovered call options. Anyway...back to the oil subject: Oil is a product too important to be fiddled with by monkeys. Would you agree that when the price increases by 50%, it affects parts of the economy in negative ways? Develop another source of usable energy that is more cost effective than oil is and you could be rich. Otherwise, shut up and pay before you pump. |
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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 20:48:54 +0000, NOYB wrote:
"thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:36:47 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote: Why do Canadian's come to the US for health care? Because they can see a doctor or get an MRI next week rather the 10 months from now. http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515 "Most of what we hear about the Canadian health care system is negative; in particular, the long waiting times for medical procedures. But we found that waiting times affect few patients, only 3.5% of Canadians vs. 0.7% of people in the U.S." How is that not significant? If I wrote the headline, it would read: "Five times as many Canadian patients are affected by long waiting times compared to American patients". The fact that the author downplays that important fact, yet hypes another fact like "9.9% of U.S. respondents couldn't afford medicine vs. 5.1% in Canada", shows his bias. Throw the baby out with the bath water? All articles show bias. The link was a counter-point to Bert's claims. There's no denying America has quality health care, if you can afford it, but it is expensive and some lack access. Just curious, if our health care is so great, why does it keep becoming an issue? As we were comparing Canadian and US systems, I'd be willing to bet, if a survey were done, that Canadians are happier with their health care system, than we are with ours. |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... If you don't mind paying $700.00 - 800.00 out of pocket, you can get an MRI scan within a week or two here at a private clinic. If Joe USA with a company paid HMO health plan had to do that, he'd scream bloody murder. Those without a health plan will get it for free, if it is related to a life threatening injury or disease. HMOs and PTOs screwed up health insurance here in the USA royally, IMHO. We should go back to inexpensive major medical coverage for catastrophic injury or illness. The rest we should pay for and it should be free for those that can't. Eisboch I agree. If I need an x-ray and money's tight, I can put it on a credit card. And, there's never a problem with $60 office visits to the internist. Meanwhile, I'm paying $300 a month for Blue Choice, for medical needs which may never happen. I'd love to have a policy that covered everything over X amount - $2K a year, or some such thing. Then get a Medical Savings Account: http://www.forhealthfreedom.org/Publ...hIns/MSAs.html Yeah...that's on my list of things to do during vacation, when the damned phones stop ringing. Speaking of work, can I interest you in 1150 cases (9,200 64 oz bottles) of Indian Summer apple juice? $16.00 per case, delivered, but you have to take the whole truck. $18,400.00. Net 10 days. Plastic or glass bottles? Plastic. Prepare to provide a D&B number. Perfect. I could fill up my cooler on my boat. What do you figure that weighs? I don't want to exceed the maximum weight for my boat according to my CG plaque. 40,244 pounds, exactly. Damn. Sorry, won't work. |
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"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... " JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:36:47 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote: Why do Canadian's come to the US for health care? Because they can see a doctor or get an MRI next week rather the 10 months from now. http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515 "Most of what we hear about the Canadian health care system is negative; in particular, the long waiting times for medical procedures. But we found that waiting times affect few patients, only 3.5% of Canadians vs. 0.7% of people in the U.S." How is that not significant? If I wrote the headline, it would read: "Five times as many Canadian patients are affected by long waiting times compared to American patients". The fact that the author downplays that important fact, yet hypes another fact like "9.9% of U.S. respondents couldn't afford medicine vs. 5.1% in Canada", shows his bias. No matter what country you're talking about, why should it EVER be a luxury item? I know the usual drivel: It's not mentioned in the Constitution, but that's not a good enough reason. Health insurance ought to be made more affordable. Period. Start with the insurers. Repeal that damn McCarron-Ferguson Act, and put insurance under Federal regulation. Allow small businesses to band together across state lines and purchase insurance through their national associations. I wouldn't be opposed to paying higher taxes to cover medical insurance if I didn't have to spend what I currently spend on health insurance...*AND* I could get coverage at least as good as what I currently have. It costs my family $1200/month for insurance. Add that to the $800/month I spend for my employees, and that's $24000/year that I spend on health insurance. They could raise my tax rate 5 percentage points and it would still be cheaper than what I'm paying now. Wow! You are getting off cheap. We spend $3,000/year just on a health care spending account, with another $150/month in insurance premiums. We normally go through our spending account by June due to the number of prescription drugs my family needs, even at generic pricing. So if you spend $3000 through June, and I assume you spend another $3000 through December, and add that to the $150/mo times 12 months, that equals $7800/year. How am I getting off cheap by spending $14,400/year for my family? And $24,000/year for my family and my employees combined? I missed a decimal point. Sorry. Once we exhaust our spending account the remainder of the expenses (less premium) are paid by Aetna. You are certainly correct as your costs are quite high. ;-) |
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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:01:59 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... If you can't explain why it is such a good thing then you are just being argumentative. I don't have to explain it. If a survey of human beings indicates that they like their country, who the **** are we to criticize their economic system? Having said that, I know why you do it: You lump all socialist countries into one big category, so you think Finland equals the USSR. Do as you wish. Did you forget to take your lithium today Doug? You are the one that is getting all hot and bothered because people are not taking your word as gospel regarding the socio-economic systems you prefer. I prefer this one, so I live here. You, on the other hand, think you have information that the Finns are unaware of. Finland is still a socialist state and all of the freedoms of a country like and only like the US are not available to them. Which freedoms? The freedom to determine how most of your income is spent. -- ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** John |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:36:47 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote: Why do Canadian's come to the US for health care? Because they can see a doctor or get an MRI next week rather the 10 months from now. http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515 "Most of what we hear about the Canadian health care system is negative; in particular, the long waiting times for medical procedures. But we found that waiting times affect few patients, only 3.5% of Canadians vs. 0.7% of people in the U.S." How is that not significant? If I wrote the headline, it would read: "Five times as many Canadian patients are affected by long waiting times compared to American patients". The fact that the author downplays that important fact, yet hypes another fact like "9.9% of U.S. respondents couldn't afford medicine vs. 5.1% in Canada", shows his bias. No matter what country you're talking about, why should it EVER be a luxury item? I know the usual drivel: It's not mentioned in the Constitution, but that's not a good enough reason. Health insurance ought to be made more affordable. Period. Start with the insurers. Repeal that damn McCarron-Ferguson Act, and put insurance under Federal regulation. Allow small businesses to band together across state lines and purchase insurance through their national associations. I wouldn't be opposed to paying higher taxes to cover medical insurance if I didn't have to spend what I currently spend on health insurance...*AND* I could get coverage at least as good as what I currently have. It costs my family $1200/month for insurance. Add that to the $800/month I spend for my employees, and that's $24000/year that I spend on health insurance. They could raise my tax rate 5 percentage points and it would still be cheaper than what I'm paying now. Oooh....government regulation. You're a liberal! And you're a conservative: "I agree. If I need an x-ray and money's tight, I can put it on a credit card. And, there's never a problem with $60 office visits to the internist. Meanwhile, I'm paying $300 a month for Blue Choice, for medical needs which may never happen. I'd love to have a policy that covered everything over X amount - $2K a year, or some such thing. " You just described Bush's medical savings account plan. "On August 21, 1996, President Clinton signed into law the Kassebaum-Kennedy bill that allows Americans to open a Medical Savings Account (MSA)." Unless you're finicky about the numbers, it seems to be a different president's plan. Bush's *Health* Savings Accounts. HSA's. Sorry. " Health Savings Accounts (HSAs) were created by the Medicare bill signed by President Bush on December 8, 2003 and are designed to help individuals save for future qualified medical and retiree health expenses on a tax-free basis. " http://www.treasury.gov/offices/public-affairs/hsa/ |
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Bert Robbins wrote:
Still why is the health care people receive in the US better than anywhere else in the world, even those socialist countries? It's not. Can you point to *ANY* statistic or metric on health in which the U.S. is the top nation? Much less any bundle of such statistics (other than obesity & smoking)? I know of only one: the U.S. has more jingoistic (look it up) boneheads who trumpet how the U.S. is the BEST BEST BEST per capita of any developed country. DSK |
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"thunder" wrote in message ... As we were comparing Canadian and US systems, I'd be willing to bet, if a survey were done, that Canadians are happier with their health care system, than we are with ours. Not *my* patients. Unless, of course, they happen to be Canadian. Why do they spend thousands down here with me if they can get if for free up there? |
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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 19:23:49 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote: Um....I don't have a problem. Especially with Mustangs. :) Braggart! -- ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** John |
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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:01:26 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:
How many unskilled persons have been allowed to immigrate into Canada within the last 25 years? Remember, I said unskilled persons have been allowed to immigrate into Canada? Allowing wealth people from Asia and Europe doesn't count. Don't know, but it is estimated that 1/4 of Ontario's construction industry are illegals. http://are.berkeley.edu/APMP/pubs/ag...ada111503.html |
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" JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message . .. "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... " JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "thunder" wrote in message ... On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:36:47 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote: Why do Canadian's come to the US for health care? Because they can see a doctor or get an MRI next week rather the 10 months from now. http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515 "Most of what we hear about the Canadian health care system is negative; in particular, the long waiting times for medical procedures. But we found that waiting times affect few patients, only 3.5% of Canadians vs. 0.7% of people in the U.S." How is that not significant? If I wrote the headline, it would read: "Five times as many Canadian patients are affected by long waiting times compared to American patients". The fact that the author downplays that important fact, yet hypes another fact like "9.9% of U.S. respondents couldn't afford medicine vs. 5.1% in Canada", shows his bias. No matter what country you're talking about, why should it EVER be a luxury item? I know the usual drivel: It's not mentioned in the Constitution, but that's not a good enough reason. Health insurance ought to be made more affordable. Period. Start with the insurers. Repeal that damn McCarron-Ferguson Act, and put insurance under Federal regulation. Allow small businesses to band together across state lines and purchase insurance through their national associations. I wouldn't be opposed to paying higher taxes to cover medical insurance if I didn't have to spend what I currently spend on health insurance...*AND* I could get coverage at least as good as what I currently have. It costs my family $1200/month for insurance. Add that to the $800/month I spend for my employees, and that's $24000/year that I spend on health insurance. They could raise my tax rate 5 percentage points and it would still be cheaper than what I'm paying now. Wow! You are getting off cheap. We spend $3,000/year just on a health care spending account, with another $150/month in insurance premiums. We normally go through our spending account by June due to the number of prescription drugs my family needs, even at generic pricing. So if you spend $3000 through June, and I assume you spend another $3000 through December, and add that to the $150/mo times 12 months, that equals $7800/year. How am I getting off cheap by spending $14,400/year for my family? And $24,000/year for my family and my employees combined? I missed a decimal point. Sorry. Once we exhaust our spending account the remainder of the expenses (less premium) are paid by Aetna. You are certainly correct as your costs are quite high. ;-) The nimrod that helped create Florida's insurance problems when he served as Insurance Commissioner for 6 years, is now our US senator. And he opposes the Small Business Health Fairness Act which would allow small businesses to band together across state lines to buy insurance through their national association at discounted rates. Ask the average voter on the street if he/she knows anything about this, and they'll look at you like a deer caught in the headlines. Most Americans are too stupid to be allowed to vote. |
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 11:13:43 GMT, Jack Goff wrote: On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:35:58 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 01:39:01 GMT, Jack Goff wrote: On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:20:24 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 2 Aug 2006 06:11:49 -0700, "basskisser" wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: Slow steady wins the race. I don't think John Force would buy into that. John Force is an idiot. And drag racing sucks - unless it's on the street and it's a Mustang or some crappy rice burner. That's when the 'Vette teaches 'em a lesson. :) You got a C6R? Anthing less and the new Mustang Cobra will show the 'vette the door! :-) Highly unlikely. 645 hp before the NOX. :) Ahhh... traction is your problem. Um....I don't have a problem. Especially with Mustangs. :) So let's see a picture of that monster! |
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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 19:33:31 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote: On 3 Aug 2006 06:16:27 -0700, "basskisser" wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 3 Aug 2006 04:32:37 -0700, "basskisser" wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 2 Aug 2006 12:51:29 -0700, "basskisser" wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 2 Aug 2006 06:11:49 -0700, "basskisser" wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: Slow steady wins the race. I don't think John Force would buy into that. John Force is an idiot. And drag racing sucks - unless it's on the street and it's a Mustang or some crappy rice burner. That's when the 'Vette teaches 'em a lesson. :) John Force is a self made multi millionaire. He started with nothing, made a fortune. Drag racing is one of the most technologically advanced forms of piston engine racing there is. Right. Ever hear of F1 racing? Yes, why? Drag racing is still one of the most technologically advanced forms of piston engine racing there is. At 6000+ horsepower, an F1 engine is a horsepower midget in comparison at around 750 hp. John Force probably started with much less than you, and built a multi million dollar conglomerate. Have you? Yep. Yeah, sure...... Stick to things you know about Bassy... Just what is it in this previous post that you are eluding to that I don't know? Be specific. Specific? Sure. You're a tautological buffoon who sits in his mother's basement endlessly trying to emulate his intellectual superiors by engaging in fruitless argument over anything and everything all the while never realizing that he is merely dribbling and drooling vacuous statements in a torrent of mental masturbation leading to the self-delusion that he is brilliantly mastering the subject when in fact those who actually contribute meaningful, educated and literate commentary on both sides of any discussion secretly laugh their collective asses off watching the one man clown show that is you. Specific enough? I sure hope that sentence wasn't copyrighted, 'cause I've already sent it to a brother who will undoubtedly use it in some internal Weyerhauser fight. Thanks! -- ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** John |
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"DSK" wrote in message .. . Bert Robbins wrote: Still why is the health care people receive in the US better than anywhere else in the world, even those socialist countries? It's not. Can you point to *ANY* statistic or metric on health in which the U.S. is the top nation? Much less any bundle of such statistics (other than obesity & smoking)? We have the highest rate of breast cancer survival, and the best cervical cancer screneing system in the world. And remember that WHO report that ranked the US 37th out of 191 countries surveyed? It was too heavily weighted towards favoring countries with univeral coverage. But here's where they ranked America's health system *first* in several categories: 1) first in responsiveness to patients' needs for "choice of provider" 2) first in "dignity" 3) first in "autonomy" 4) first in "timely care" 5) first in "confidentiality" Does that satisfy your request for "any" metric on health in which the U.S. is the top nation? |
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