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basskisser wrote: JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. Don White wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Jack Goff wrote: The separation between yourself and Jack Goff (childish namecalling and all...) is immense. I'm superior in every way. I even live in a superior country. I'm sorry for you, Don. :-) Don't know why you run from your nickname, Jackoff. It suits you to a tee. Jackoff should stick with what he does best. The United Nations lists Canada as one of the best 3 or 4 places in the world to live year after year. The US is down in the dumper on most serious places ratings surveys. Such as? Here's one. There are several about: http://www.economist.com/theworldin/...3372495&d=2005 ROTF! The Economist? Nothing more than a European rag as obviously reflected in their ratings. Absurd. The Economist is one of the most respected publications in the world. And as I said there are any number such surveys extant. The US no longer leads the pack in such important areas as democracy, freedom of the press, lowest infant mortality rates, availability of health care, et cetera. Finland, usually, leads the pack of quality nations. Finland? A socialistic country? This is funny. Tell me more. Jim, the measurements are concerned with the quality of life for the majority of people in a country, not the ability of a tiny number of those people to become multimillionaires. In terms of democracy, freedom of the press, those others I mentioned and several more criteria, the USA is nowhere near the top. I think I mentioned here I have a Norwegian friend, a fellow who was trained to work as a technician on offshore rigs. He sustained an injury and was no longer able to work that job. The taxpayers of his country paid completely for his hospitalization and rehabilitation AND his complete reeducation at the college level in another field, and while he was attending college, he and his family received a stipend that covered expenses. He finished up a couple of years ago, got re-employed at a professional level, his kids are in college, cost-free to him, the entire family has medical care AND he has a secure decent retirement. Now, his take-home is a lot lower than it might be in the United States, BUT...his out of pocket expenses to maintain a high standard of living for his family, NO MATTER WHAT, are much lower than they are in this country. Earlier this week, the US secretary of the treasury said the "economic recovery in this country is not working for the middle class." Next. I do not believe in socialism. I do not believe that people should rely on the government for their existence or quality of life. The less control the government has over my life the happier I am. That's odd, the Bush administration has enacted more laws of control over you than anyone! The President and his staff (Executive Branch) do not enact laws Kevin. Don't you know that? |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
"JimH" wrote in message
oups.com... Furthermore, just because the Economist says that the folks in Finland and other socialist countries believe that have a higher standard of living does not make it true. If you need to get beaten up here on a regular basis, why bother typing so much? Just ask to be beaten up. There's nothing about the magazine's methods which you are in any position to question. They explained their methods he http://www.economist.com/media/pdf/QUALITY_OF_LIFE.pdf I'm pretty certain you didn't read it. Hint: "SURVEY" |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
"JimH" wrote in message
oups.com... basskisser wrote: JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. Don White wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Jack Goff wrote: The separation between yourself and Jack Goff (childish namecalling and all...) is immense. I'm superior in every way. I even live in a superior country. I'm sorry for you, Don. :-) Don't know why you run from your nickname, Jackoff. It suits you to a tee. Jackoff should stick with what he does best. The United Nations lists Canada as one of the best 3 or 4 places in the world to live year after year. The US is down in the dumper on most serious places ratings surveys. Such as? Here's one. There are several about: http://www.economist.com/theworldin/...3372495&d=2005 ROTF! The Economist? Nothing more than a European rag as obviously reflected in their ratings. Absurd. The Economist is one of the most respected publications in the world. And as I said there are any number such surveys extant. The US no longer leads the pack in such important areas as democracy, freedom of the press, lowest infant mortality rates, availability of health care, et cetera. Finland, usually, leads the pack of quality nations. Finland? A socialistic country? This is funny. Tell me more. Jim, the measurements are concerned with the quality of life for the majority of people in a country, not the ability of a tiny number of those people to become multimillionaires. In terms of democracy, freedom of the press, those others I mentioned and several more criteria, the USA is nowhere near the top. I think I mentioned here I have a Norwegian friend, a fellow who was trained to work as a technician on offshore rigs. He sustained an injury and was no longer able to work that job. The taxpayers of his country paid completely for his hospitalization and rehabilitation AND his complete reeducation at the college level in another field, and while he was attending college, he and his family received a stipend that covered expenses. He finished up a couple of years ago, got re-employed at a professional level, his kids are in college, cost-free to him, the entire family has medical care AND he has a secure decent retirement. Now, his take-home is a lot lower than it might be in the United States, BUT...his out of pocket expenses to maintain a high standard of living for his family, NO MATTER WHAT, are much lower than they are in this country. Earlier this week, the US secretary of the treasury said the "economic recovery in this country is not working for the middle class." Next. I do not believe in socialism. I do not believe that people should rely on the government for their existence or quality of life. The less control the government has over my life the happier I am. That's odd, the Bush administration has enacted more laws of control over you than anyone! The President and his staff (Executive Branch) do not enact laws Kevin. Don't you know that? Indirectly, he most certainly does. |
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JimH wrote:
Conversely, just because *you* believe in it does not make it true. Agreed. But it's not just me. Furthermore, just because the Economist says that the folks in Finland and other socialist countries believe that have a higher standard of living does not make it true. Well, there you go. Man did not fly to the moon either, and nobody can prove otherwise. If you studied economics, went there, measured their standard of living in a way to satisfy yourself, then went to several other countries to consult with top economists and measure other things for yourself, your opinion may or may not change but you'd certainly have a much stronger basis. You wouldn't be one of those knee-jerk ignoramo-fascists, either. ... I do not believe that people should rely on the government for their existence or quality of life. So don't take what the gov't offers. That is always an option. I don't take things from the government. I do, however, pay more than my fair share to it in order to support the dead beats who rely on the government for their existence. Really? Did you start out naked in the woods, and make every single thing you own with your two hands? You rely on the government for a lot more than you think you do. DSK |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: The US is down in the dumper on most serious places ratings surveys. Such as? Here's one. There are several about: http://www.economist.com/theworldin/...3372495&d=2005 LOL. I have to give you an "A" for effort, Harry. The US is far from being in the "dumper" and your claim is a bit misleading. According to the UN Human Development Index (HDI), the US hasn't led or come close to leading the list since at least 1980 but it's ranking is still up there with little mathematical score difference between it and the top of the list. It is interesting that the countries that have led the list over the years tend to be more socialistic in their government. Nice try, though. :-) Eisboch |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: The US is down in the dumper on most serious places ratings surveys. Such as? Here's one. There are several about: http://www.economist.com/theworldin/...3372495&d=2005 LOL. I have to give you an "A" for effort, Harry. The US is far from being in the "dumper" and your claim is a bit misleading. According to the UN Human Development Index (HDI), the US hasn't led or come close to leading the list since at least 1980 but it's ranking is still up there with little mathematical score difference between it and the top of the list. It is interesting that the countries that have led the list over the years tend to be more socialistic in their government. Nice try, though. :-) Eisboch What's even more interesting is that, you being the exception (I think), most of the people here who depict socialism to be evil have absolutely no idea what it really is. At least it's entertaining to witness the ideas they pull outta their asses. :-) |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:32:29 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:
I think I mentioned here I have a Norwegian friend, a fellow who was trained to work as a technician on offshore rigs. He sustained an injury and was no longer able to work that job. The taxpayers of his country paid completely for his hospitalization and rehabilitation AND his complete reeducation at the college level in another field, and while he was attending college, he and his family received a stipend that covered expenses. He finished up a couple of years ago, got re-employed at a professional level, his kids are in college, cost-free to him, the entire family has medical care AND he has a secure decent retirement. Now that Norway's oil is past peak, I was wondering if they can sustain their high standard of living. Perhaps, they will for quite a while. It seems they haven't been spending their oil windfalls, but saving them for the future. http://money.guardian.co.uk/weekly/s...778822,00.html Imagine that, a country planning for the future. We, on the other hand . . . http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/ |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. Eisboch wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: The US is down in the dumper on most serious places ratings surveys. Such as? Here's one. There are several about: http://www.economist.com/theworldin/...3372495&d=2005 LOL. I have to give you an "A" for effort, Harry. The US is far from being in the "dumper" and your claim is a bit misleading. According to the UN Human Development Index (HDI), the US hasn't led or come close to leading the list since at least 1980 but it's ranking is still up there with little mathematical score difference between it and the top of the list. It is interesting that the countries that have led the list over the years tend to be more socialistic in their government. Nice try, though. :-) Eisboch Last time I looked, the US ranked 10th or 12th on that particular index. For a country with folks who thinks the US ranks #1, that's pretty low on that particular index. 10th for 2005, actually. That's number 10 out of 177. Thirty countries are considered to be at the top of the list with an index between 0.963 and 0.878 and the US is number 10. Eisboch |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
"Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. The average Norwegian has a much higher quality standard of living than the average American. I was astonished when I visited my friends there. True statement due to the socialistic structure of their government, however it does not tell the whole story. I have relatives in both Norway and Sweden. Both countries consist of the "haves" and "have nots". Those whose families owned land and/or farms and held them within the family for generations control most of the wealth of the respective country and have the most political influence. The "have-nots" are well provided for by our standards, but have limited opportunity to change their status. One of the admired qualities of the US in both Norway and Sweden is the greater opportunity by all to change or improve their status. My Swedish relatives are multi-generation land owners. My Norwegian relatives are not, but both have similar views of the US. Eisboch |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. The average Norwegian has a much higher quality standard of living than the average American. I was astonished when I visited my friends there. True statement due to the socialistic structure of their government, however it does not tell the whole story. I have relatives in both Norway and Sweden. Both countries consist of the "haves" and "have nots". Those whose families owned land and/or farms and held them within the family for generations control most of the wealth of the respective country and have the most political influence. The "have-nots" are well provided for by our standards, but have limited opportunity to change their status. One of the admired qualities of the US in both Norway and Sweden is the greater opportunity by all to change or improve their status. My Swedish relatives are multi-generation land owners. My Norwegian relatives are not, but both have similar views of the US. Eisboch The majority of Americans are moving backwards economically in terms of earnings, and many have lost or are losing good employment, insurance, even their houses. I don't know if the "majority" are or are not, but don't you see the difference in thinking? The average "Joe Swede" looks at an American moving backwards and can't, for the life of him, understand why and may even long for the opportunity that he thinks the American has. Eisboch |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
The majority of Americans are moving backwards economically in terms of
earnings, and many have lost or are losing good employment, insurance, even their houses. Household income has been growing slower than credit card debt. What does that tell you about the U.S. standard of living? Eisboch wrote: I don't know if the "majority" are or are not, but don't you see the difference in thinking? The average "Joe Swede" looks at an American moving backwards and can't, for the life of him, understand why and may even long for the opportunity that he thinks the American has. Agreed... but the problem is that opportunity being outsourced to China and you probably know more than most about how difficult it is to make any innovation pay off. The fact that the biggest U.S. growth industry for the last 8 years has been lobbying, should say a lot about the US system and opportunity. The fact the so-called conservatives have been in charge most of that time is one reason why I am PO'd at the current gang of "conservatives" in politics. The U.S. is not a fair marketplace and those who shout the loudest about opportunity & free markets are the ones who work the hardest to subvert the rules in their own favor. All that aside, I had a close partner in college who was a Swedish engineering student. Very smart and also had quite a few observations about similarities and differences between the U.S. and America. You'd probably enjoy his perspective on Swedish socialized medicine... almost everything is free, but if you need specialized treatment then you go back after 5pm and be prepared to pay cash. Regards Doug King |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
JimH wrote: basskisser wrote: JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. Don White wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Jack Goff wrote: The separation between yourself and Jack Goff (childish namecalling and all...) is immense. I'm superior in every way. I even live in a superior country. I'm sorry for you, Don. :-) Don't know why you run from your nickname, Jackoff. It suits you to a tee. Jackoff should stick with what he does best. The United Nations lists Canada as one of the best 3 or 4 places in the world to live year after year. The US is down in the dumper on most serious places ratings surveys. Such as? Here's one. There are several about: http://www.economist.com/theworldin/...3372495&d=2005 ROTF! The Economist? Nothing more than a European rag as obviously reflected in their ratings. Absurd. The Economist is one of the most respected publications in the world. And as I said there are any number such surveys extant. The US no longer leads the pack in such important areas as democracy, freedom of the press, lowest infant mortality rates, availability of health care, et cetera. Finland, usually, leads the pack of quality nations. Finland? A socialistic country? This is funny. Tell me more. Jim, the measurements are concerned with the quality of life for the majority of people in a country, not the ability of a tiny number of those people to become multimillionaires. In terms of democracy, freedom of the press, those others I mentioned and several more criteria, the USA is nowhere near the top. I think I mentioned here I have a Norwegian friend, a fellow who was trained to work as a technician on offshore rigs. He sustained an injury and was no longer able to work that job. The taxpayers of his country paid completely for his hospitalization and rehabilitation AND his complete reeducation at the college level in another field, and while he was attending college, he and his family received a stipend that covered expenses. He finished up a couple of years ago, got re-employed at a professional level, his kids are in college, cost-free to him, the entire family has medical care AND he has a secure decent retirement. Now, his take-home is a lot lower than it might be in the United States, BUT...his out of pocket expenses to maintain a high standard of living for his family, NO MATTER WHAT, are much lower than they are in this country. Earlier this week, the US secretary of the treasury said the "economic recovery in this country is not working for the middle class." Next. I do not believe in socialism. I do not believe that people should rely on the government for their existence or quality of life. The less control the government has over my life the happier I am. That's odd, the Bush administration has enacted more laws of control over you than anyone! The President and his staff (Executive Branch) do not enact laws Kevin. Don't you know that? I see you're still blindly ignorant of any fact. Care to take the $5000 challenge? Put up, or shut up. If you'd act like a man and try to carry on a conversation without acting like a child, I could then inform you that I said the Bush ADMINISTRATION. I didn't say he and his staff. Ooops........I'm killfiled.....but, how did you answer me? Besides, just last week, you were ****ing in everybody's cereal for posting off topic here...... |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:50:56 -0400, Eisboch wrote:
I don't know if the "majority" are or are not, but don't you see the difference in thinking? The average "Joe Swede" looks at an American moving backwards and can't, for the life of him, understand why and may even long for the opportunity that he thinks the American has. It might be the human condition. The grass is always greener . . . |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
... Eisboch wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. The average Norwegian has a much higher quality standard of living than the average American. I was astonished when I visited my friends there. True statement due to the socialistic structure of their government, however it does not tell the whole story. I have relatives in both Norway and Sweden. Both countries consist of the "haves" and "have nots". Those whose families owned land and/or farms and held them within the family for generations control most of the wealth of the respective country and have the most political influence. The "have-nots" are well provided for by our standards, but have limited opportunity to change their status. One of the admired qualities of the US in both Norway and Sweden is the greater opportunity by all to change or improve their status. My Swedish relatives are multi-generation land owners. My Norwegian relatives are not, but both have similar views of the US. Eisboch The majority of Americans are moving backwards economically in terms of earnings, and many have lost or are losing good employment, insurance, even their houses. Another statistic to ponder, from NPR a few months ago. You can probably find more online if you try: The difference in income (adjusted for inflation) between fathers & sons since the 1950s is getting smaller & smaller. You could pick this apart without knowing more, but the news report contained all the necessary information to understand it better. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
Harry Krause wrote:
As opposed to the US system, where, if you are one of the nearly 50 million without health insurance or the means to pay cash, you're likely to get little or no care at all for serious medical problems, and if you do get help, you sit and wait and wait and wait while you lose time from work and then you lose your crummy job. A crummy job is not much loss, is it? Waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting for FREE health care is not that big a problem, is it? If there was such a thing as free gasoline, imagine how long you'd have to wait in line at the pump. DSK |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... DSK wrote: The majority of Americans are moving backwards economically in terms of earnings, and many have lost or are losing good employment, insurance, even their houses. Household income has been growing slower than credit card debt. What does that tell you about the U.S. standard of living? Eisboch wrote: I don't know if the "majority" are or are not, but don't you see the difference in thinking? The average "Joe Swede" looks at an American moving backwards and can't, for the life of him, understand why and may even long for the opportunity that he thinks the American has. Agreed... but the problem is that opportunity being outsourced to China and you probably know more than most about how difficult it is to make any innovation pay off. The fact that the biggest U.S. growth industry for the last 8 years has been lobbying, should say a lot about the US system and opportunity. The fact the so-called conservatives have been in charge most of that time is one reason why I am PO'd at the current gang of "conservatives" in politics. The U.S. is not a fair marketplace and those who shout the loudest about opportunity & free markets are the ones who work the hardest to subvert the rules in their own favor. All that aside, I had a close partner in college who was a Swedish engineering student. Very smart and also had quite a few observations about similarities and differences between the U.S. and America. You'd probably enjoy his perspective on Swedish socialized medicine... almost everything is free, but if you need specialized treatment then you go back after 5pm and be prepared to pay cash. Regards Doug King As opposed to the US system, where, if you are one of the nearly 50 million without health insurance ........snip That is a misleading statement. How many of those without health insurance are in that category based on *their* decision not to carry it even though they can afford it? How many because they cannot afford it? |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 12:07:16 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Jack Goff" wrote in message .. . Only thing is, Joe doesn't want to stop futures trading for oil. He supports handing it over to the oil companies. First of all, the phrase "handing it over" is a silly idea. They *already* participate in the exact same futures markets as the gamblers who are just there for the thrill. I taught you earlier that the gamblers needed to be eliminated. The gamblers often have no knowledge of what factors *really* affect oil production, which is one of the reasons the price is where it is today. You seem to like the idea of keeping the gamblers in the oil futures game, right? But, what if those same players were able to do the same thing with everything you buy in the supermarket? Would you be interested in seeing the price of vegetables double or triple because a bunch yahoos thinks the presidential election in Mexico is a major threat? That's *exactly* what you're seeing now with oil. There are industries in this country which, for many years, have had their own informal hedging methods, kept within each industry without any participation (aka "static") from the type of investor who belongs at a race track. Chemicals & groceries are two such industries. I'm in the latter industry, and my job is to help buyers cost-average their purchases based on *real* information about weather, past buying habits of the public (for which they have unbelievably accurate data), and knowledge of the corporate condition of the raw material producers. If my customers "buy wrong", it rarely hurts the retail customer because temporary price jumps are absorbed into the larger universe of past purchases. Grocery chains know they can't take a 75 cent can of beans and crank it up to $1.25 just because *they* screwed up. The product will just sit on the shelves. The difference is this: The buyers I deal with know which factors *really* affect their business, and which ones are nonsense. Want an example? You can probably come up with one. Think back to hurricane Katrina. One big thing affected almost every supermarket chain & wholesaler in the country, regardless of location. What do you think it was? Bull hockey. Safeway did it with tomatoes. Let's boycott 'em. -- ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** John |
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" JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message
... As opposed to the US system, where, if you are one of the nearly 50 million without health insurance ........snip That is a misleading statement. How many of those without health insurance are in that category based on *their* decision not to carry it even though they can afford it? How many because they cannot afford it? Considering the cost of hospital care, I think that if you CHOSE not to have health insurance, and you could afford it, then "can afford it" has to mean you're fabulously wealthy, or have a terminal disease and figure insurance is pointless anyway. |
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basskisser wrote: JimH wrote: basskisser wrote: JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. Don White wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Jack Goff wrote: The separation between yourself and Jack Goff (childish namecalling and all...) is immense. I'm superior in every way. I even live in a superior country. I'm sorry for you, Don. :-) Don't know why you run from your nickname, Jackoff. It suits you to a tee. Jackoff should stick with what he does best. The United Nations lists Canada as one of the best 3 or 4 places in the world to live year after year. The US is down in the dumper on most serious places ratings surveys. Such as? Here's one. There are several about: http://www.economist.com/theworldin/...3372495&d=2005 ROTF! The Economist? Nothing more than a European rag as obviously reflected in their ratings. Absurd. The Economist is one of the most respected publications in the world. And as I said there are any number such surveys extant. The US no longer leads the pack in such important areas as democracy, freedom of the press, lowest infant mortality rates, availability of health care, et cetera. Finland, usually, leads the pack of quality nations. Finland? A socialistic country? This is funny. Tell me more. Jim, the measurements are concerned with the quality of life for the majority of people in a country, not the ability of a tiny number of those people to become multimillionaires. In terms of democracy, freedom of the press, those others I mentioned and several more criteria, the USA is nowhere near the top. I think I mentioned here I have a Norwegian friend, a fellow who was trained to work as a technician on offshore rigs. He sustained an injury and was no longer able to work that job. The taxpayers of his country paid completely for his hospitalization and rehabilitation AND his complete reeducation at the college level in another field, and while he was attending college, he and his family received a stipend that covered expenses. He finished up a couple of years ago, got re-employed at a professional level, his kids are in college, cost-free to him, the entire family has medical care AND he has a secure decent retirement. Now, his take-home is a lot lower than it might be in the United States, BUT...his out of pocket expenses to maintain a high standard of living for his family, NO MATTER WHAT, are much lower than they are in this country. Earlier this week, the US secretary of the treasury said the "economic recovery in this country is not working for the middle class." Next. I do not believe in socialism. I do not believe that people should rely on the government for their existence or quality of life. The less control the government has over my life the happier I am. That's odd, the Bush administration has enacted more laws of control over you than anyone! The President and his staff (Executive Branch) do not enact laws Kevin. Don't you know that? I see you're still blindly ignorant of any fact. Care to take the $5000 challenge? Put up, or shut up. If you'd act like a man and try to carry on a conversation without acting like a child, I could then inform you that I said the Bush ADMINISTRATION. I didn't say he and his staff. Ooops........I'm killfiled.....but, how did you answer me? Besides, just last week, you were ****ing in everybody's cereal for posting off topic here...... You really are an idiot Kevin. Really. Your post does not deserve any more of a response then that. Have a nice day. |
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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 11:49:56 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: Eisboch wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: The US is down in the dumper on most serious places ratings surveys. Such as? Here's one. There are several about: http://www.economist.com/theworldin/...3372495&d=2005 LOL. I have to give you an "A" for effort, Harry. The US is far from being in the "dumper" and your claim is a bit misleading. According to the UN Human Development Index (HDI), the US hasn't led or come close to leading the list since at least 1980 but it's ranking is still up there with little mathematical score difference between it and the top of the list. It is interesting that the countries that have led the list over the years tend to be more socialistic in their government. Nice try, though. :-) Eisboch Last time I looked, the US ranked 10th or 12th on that particular index. For a country with folks who thinks the US ranks #1, that's pretty low on that particular index. The US is in the top 12%, below the top scorer by a little over half a point. If one were to listen to you and yours, which most don't, you'd think the US was #110 out of 111. We're actually doing pretty well in this country, according to your survey. Of course, Canada is too, although it's behind the USA. -- ****************************************** ***** Have a Spectacular Day! ***** ****************************************** John |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote: " JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message ... As opposed to the US system, where, if you are one of the nearly 50 million without health insurance ........snip That is a misleading statement. How many of those without health insurance are in that category based on *their* decision not to carry it even though they can afford it? How many because they cannot afford it? Considering the cost of hospital care, I think that if you CHOSE not to have health insurance, and you could afford it, then "can afford it" has to mean you're fabulously wealthy, or have a terminal disease and figure insurance is pointless anyway. Nope. I never carried health insurance until I got married. My choice. I was not wealthy but I could certainly afford it. When you are young you are invincible........or so you think so. ;-) |
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Harry Krause wrote: Eisboch wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. The average Norwegian has a much higher quality standard of living than the average American. I was astonished when I visited my friends there. True statement due to the socialistic structure of their government, however it does not tell the whole story. I have relatives in both Norway and Sweden. Both countries consist of the "haves" and "have nots". Those whose families owned land and/or farms and held them within the family for generations control most of the wealth of the respective country and have the most political influence. The "have-nots" are well provided for by our standards, but have limited opportunity to change their status. One of the admired qualities of the US in both Norway and Sweden is the greater opportunity by all to change or improve their status. My Swedish relatives are multi-generation land owners. My Norwegian relatives are not, but both have similar views of the US. Eisboch The majority of Americans are moving backwards economically in terms of earnings, and many have lost or are losing good employment, insurance, even their houses. How easy it is to make statements without any factual basis. The *majority* of Americans? Care to back that statement up with some *facts* Harry? |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
"JimH" wrote in message
ups.com... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: " JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message ... As opposed to the US system, where, if you are one of the nearly 50 million without health insurance ........snip That is a misleading statement. How many of those without health insurance are in that category based on *their* decision not to carry it even though they can afford it? How many because they cannot afford it? Considering the cost of hospital care, I think that if you CHOSE not to have health insurance, and you could afford it, then "can afford it" has to mean you're fabulously wealthy, or have a terminal disease and figure insurance is pointless anyway. Nope. I never carried health insurance until I got married. My choice. I was not wealthy but I could certainly afford it. When you are young you are invincible........or so you think so. ;-) Oh. I thought you were talking about normal people. You're talking about numbskulls blinded by images of constant beer and pussy. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ups.com... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: " JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message ... As opposed to the US system, where, if you are one of the nearly 50 million without health insurance ........snip That is a misleading statement. How many of those without health insurance are in that category based on *their* decision not to carry it even though they can afford it? How many because they cannot afford it? Considering the cost of hospital care, I think that if you CHOSE not to have health insurance, and you could afford it, then "can afford it" has to mean you're fabulously wealthy, or have a terminal disease and figure insurance is pointless anyway. Nope. I never carried health insurance until I got married. My choice. I was not wealthy but I could certainly afford it. When you are young you are invincible........or so you think so. ;-) Oh. I thought you were talking about normal people. You're talking about numbskulls blinded by images of constant beer and pussy. Trying to carry on an adult level conversation with you is impossible Doug. I gave it a shot but you keep proving my theory is correct. Have a nice day Doug but I am done with you for a while. Maybe I will give you another chance in a month or so. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
"JimH" wrote in message ups.com... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ups.com... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: " JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message ... As opposed to the US system, where, if you are one of the nearly 50 million without health insurance ........snip That is a misleading statement. How many of those without health insurance are in that category based on *their* decision not to carry it even though they can afford it? How many because they cannot afford it? Considering the cost of hospital care, I think that if you CHOSE not to have health insurance, and you could afford it, then "can afford it" has to mean you're fabulously wealthy, or have a terminal disease and figure insurance is pointless anyway. Nope. I never carried health insurance until I got married. My choice. I was not wealthy but I could certainly afford it. When you are young you are invincible........or so you think so. ;-) Oh. I thought you were talking about normal people. You're talking about numbskulls blinded by images of constant beer and pussy. Trying to carry on an adult level conversation with you is impossible Doug. I gave it a shot but you keep proving my theory is correct. Have a nice day Doug but I am done with you for a while. Maybe I will give you another chance in a month or so. All males between the ages of 17 and 25 fit the category I described, unless they're gay, in which case, you can substitute "badly flavored martinis and naked men". |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
JimH wrote: You really are an idiot Kevin. Really. Your post does not deserve any more of a response then that. Have a nice day. No response?? YOU are the one hell bent on calling me Kevin. If you are so damned sure I'm Kevin, why not take the challenge, you'd have absolutely nothing to lose, right?? Deserve no response, huh? Why did you respond? Deserve no response, huh? Did you or did you not killfile me? Deserve no response, huh? Did you or did you not just last week go around all holy acting telling everyone to not post off topic, etc? Deserve no response huh? Do you really think that the "Bush administration" is just him, and his immediate crime family? Deserve no response huh? I guess from someone who's only ability to debate is childish name calling and petty insults, that'd be about right. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
"JimH" wrote in message
oups.com... That's odd, the Bush administration has enacted more laws of control over you than anyone! The President and his staff (Executive Branch) do not enact laws Kevin. Don't you know that? You have a problem. You pretend to be interested in an intelligence discussion, but you are unable to stop yourself from eventually starting the Kevin thing in every single discussion where Basskisser is present. Is this your way of bailing out when you realize you've just made a statement that's completely wrong, and you're afraid of the impending spanking? |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
JimH wrote: JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ups.com... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: " JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message ... As opposed to the US system, where, if you are one of the nearly 50 million without health insurance ........snip That is a misleading statement. How many of those without health insurance are in that category based on *their* decision not to carry it even though they can afford it? How many because they cannot afford it? Considering the cost of hospital care, I think that if you CHOSE not to have health insurance, and you could afford it, then "can afford it" has to mean you're fabulously wealthy, or have a terminal disease and figure insurance is pointless anyway. Nope. I never carried health insurance until I got married. My choice. I was not wealthy but I could certainly afford it. When you are young you are invincible........or so you think so. ;-) Oh. I thought you were talking about normal people. You're talking about numbskulls blinded by images of constant beer and pussy. Trying to carry on an adult level conversation with you is impossible Doug. I gave it a shot but you keep proving my theory is correct. Have a nice day Doug but I am done with you for a while. Maybe I will give you another chance in a month or so. Wow, Jim's going to maybe give you another chance to speak to his highness........ |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com... JimH wrote: JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ups.com... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: " JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message ... As opposed to the US system, where, if you are one of the nearly 50 million without health insurance ........snip That is a misleading statement. How many of those without health insurance are in that category based on *their* decision not to carry it even though they can afford it? How many because they cannot afford it? Considering the cost of hospital care, I think that if you CHOSE not to have health insurance, and you could afford it, then "can afford it" has to mean you're fabulously wealthy, or have a terminal disease and figure insurance is pointless anyway. Nope. I never carried health insurance until I got married. My choice. I was not wealthy but I could certainly afford it. When you are young you are invincible........or so you think so. ;-) Oh. I thought you were talking about normal people. You're talking about numbskulls blinded by images of constant beer and pussy. Trying to carry on an adult level conversation with you is impossible Doug. I gave it a shot but you keep proving my theory is correct. Have a nice day Doug but I am done with you for a while. Maybe I will give you another chance in a month or so. Wow, Jim's going to maybe give you another chance to speak to his highness........ I can always drag his sorry ass into these things, any time I want. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
Don White wrote:
Harry Krause wrote: Jack Goff wrote: The separation between yourself and Jack Goff (childish namecalling and all...) is immense. I'm superior in every way. I even live in a superior country. I'm sorry for you, Don. :-) Don't know why you run from your nickname, Jackoff. It suits you to a tee. Jackoff should stick with what he does best. The United Nations lists Canada as one of the best 3 or 4 places in the world to live year after year. We have about 12 to 15 million people that want a better place to live than central America and I wonder why they have not just passed through the US to Canada? |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
" JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. Don White wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Jack Goff wrote: The separation between yourself and Jack Goff (childish namecalling and all...) is immense. I'm superior in every way. I even live in a superior country. I'm sorry for you, Don. :-) Don't know why you run from your nickname, Jackoff. It suits you to a tee. Jackoff should stick with what he does best. The United Nations lists Canada as one of the best 3 or 4 places in the world to live year after year. The US is down in the dumper on most serious places ratings surveys. Such as? Here's one. There are several about: http://www.economist.com/theworldin/...3372495&d=2005 ROTF! The Economist? Nothing more than a European rag as obviously reflected in their ratings. Absurd. The Economist is one of the most respected publications in the world. And as I said there are any number such surveys extant. The US no longer leads the pack in such important areas as democracy, freedom of the press, lowest infant mortality rates, availability of health care, et cetera. Finland, usually, leads the pack of quality nations. Finland? A socialistic country? This is funny. Tell me more. I'll make you a deal. You explain why a socialist country could not rate higher in terms of satisfaction, and if you do that, I'll spend my entire afternoon finding links for you, and not insult you at all. Their citizens, or captives, don't know any better or they just enjoy having everything feed to them in small portions. Why do Canadian's come to the US for health care? Because they can see a doctor or get an MRI next week rather the 10 months from now. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: The US is down in the dumper on most serious places ratings surveys. Such as? Here's one. There are several about: http://www.economist.com/theworldin/...3372495&d=2005 LOL. I have to give you an "A" for effort, Harry. The US is far from being in the "dumper" and your claim is a bit misleading. According to the UN Human Development Index (HDI), the US hasn't led or come close to leading the list since at least 1980 but it's ranking is still up there with little mathematical score difference between it and the top of the list. It is interesting that the countries that have led the list over the years tend to be more socialistic in their government. Nice try, though. :-) Eisboch What's even more interesting is that, you being the exception (I think), most of the people here who depict socialism to be evil have absolutely no idea what it really is. At least it's entertaining to witness the ideas they pull outta their asses. :-) Why don't you enlighten us as to why we should accept socialism as a way of life? If you can't explain why it is such a good thing then you are just being argumentative. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. .. Finland? A socialistic country? This is funny. Tell me more. I'll make you a deal. You explain why a socialist country could not rate higher in terms of satisfaction, and if you do that, I'll spend my entire afternoon finding links for you, and not insult you at all. Their citizens, or captives, don't know any better or they just enjoy having everything feed to them in small portions. Why do Canadian's come to the US for health care? Because they can see a doctor or get an MRI next week rather the 10 months from now. The poster boy returns! If people in a certain country like the life they live, you think they're wrong? |
Gasoline prices - gold as a hedge
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On 3 Aug 2006 06:16:27 -0700, "basskisser" wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 3 Aug 2006 04:32:37 -0700, "basskisser" wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 2 Aug 2006 12:51:29 -0700, "basskisser" wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On 2 Aug 2006 06:11:49 -0700, "basskisser" wrote: Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: Slow steady wins the race. I don't think John Force would buy into that. John Force is an idiot. And drag racing sucks - unless it's on the street and it's a Mustang or some crappy rice burner. That's when the 'Vette teaches 'em a lesson. :) John Force is a self made multi millionaire. He started with nothing, made a fortune. Drag racing is one of the most technologically advanced forms of piston engine racing there is. Right. Ever hear of F1 racing? Yes, why? Drag racing is still one of the most technologically advanced forms of piston engine racing there is. At 6000+ horsepower, an F1 engine is a horsepower midget in comparison at around 750 hp. John Force probably started with much less than you, and built a multi million dollar conglomerate. Have you? Yep. Yeah, sure...... Stick to things you know about Bassy... Just what is it in this previous post that you are eluding to that I don't know? Be specific. Specific? Sure. You're a tautological buffoon who sits in his mother's basement endlessly trying to emulate his intellectual superiors by engaging in fruitless argument over anything and everything all the while never realizing that he is merely dribbling and drooling vacuous statements in a torrent of mental masturbation leading to the self-delusion that he is brilliantly mastering the subject when in fact those who actually contribute meaningful, educated and literate commentary on both sides of any discussion secretly laugh their collective asses off watching the one man clown show that is you. Specific enough? LOL! That has to be the longest, but most accurate, sentence I have ever read. ;-) |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
Bert Robbins wrote:
JoeSpareBedroom wrote: " JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. Don White wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Jack Goff wrote: The separation between yourself and Jack Goff (childish namecalling and all...) is immense. I'm superior in every way. I even live in a superior country. I'm sorry for you, Don. :-) Don't know why you run from your nickname, Jackoff. It suits you to a tee. Jackoff should stick with what he does best. The United Nations lists Canada as one of the best 3 or 4 places in the world to live year after year. The US is down in the dumper on most serious places ratings surveys. Such as? Here's one. There are several about: http://www.economist.com/theworldin/...3372495&d=2005 ROTF! The Economist? Nothing more than a European rag as obviously reflected in their ratings. Absurd. The Economist is one of the most respected publications in the world. And as I said there are any number such surveys extant. The US no longer leads the pack in such important areas as democracy, freedom of the press, lowest infant mortality rates, availability of health care, et cetera. Finland, usually, leads the pack of quality nations. Finland? A socialistic country? This is funny. Tell me more. I'll make you a deal. You explain why a socialist country could not rate higher in terms of satisfaction, and if you do that, I'll spend my entire afternoon finding links for you, and not insult you at all. Their citizens, or captives, don't know any better or they just enjoy having everything feed to them in small portions. Why do Canadian's come to the US for health care? Because they can see a doctor or get an MRI next week rather the 10 months from now. If you don't mind paying $700.00 - 800.00 out of pocket, you can get an MRI scan within a week or two here at a private clinic. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
Bert Robbins wrote:
Don White wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Jack Goff wrote: The separation between yourself and Jack Goff (childish namecalling and all...) is immense. I'm superior in every way. I even live in a superior country. I'm sorry for you, Don. :-) Don't know why you run from your nickname, Jackoff. It suits you to a tee. Jackoff should stick with what he does best. The United Nations lists Canada as one of the best 3 or 4 places in the world to live year after year. We have about 12 to 15 million people that want a better place to live than central America and I wonder why they have not just passed through the US to Canada? They believe all that propaganda fed by American TV/movies. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
DSK wrote:
The majority of Americans are moving backwards economically in terms of earnings, and many have lost or are losing good employment, insurance, even their houses. Household income has been growing slower than credit card debt. What does that tell you about the U.S. standard of living? Eisboch wrote: I don't know if the "majority" are or are not, but don't you see the difference in thinking? The average "Joe Swede" looks at an American moving backwards and can't, for the life of him, understand why and may even long for the opportunity that he thinks the American has. Agreed... but the problem is that opportunity being outsourced to China and you probably know more than most about how difficult it is to make any innovation pay off. The fact that the biggest U.S. growth industry for the last 8 years has been lobbying, should say a lot about the US system and opportunity. The fact the so-called conservatives have been in charge most of that time is one reason why I am PO'd at the current gang of "conservatives" in politics. The U.S. is not a fair marketplace and those who shout the loudest about opportunity & free markets are the ones who work the hardest to subvert the rules in their own favor. All that aside, I had a close partner in college who was a Swedish engineering student. Very smart and also had quite a few observations about similarities and differences between the U.S. and America. You'd probably enjoy his perspective on Swedish socialized medicine... almost everything is free, but if you need specialized treatment then you go back after 5pm and be prepared to pay cash. Regards Doug King Who is driving the outsourcing? |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
Harry Krause wrote:
DSK wrote: The majority of Americans are moving backwards economically in terms of earnings, and many have lost or are losing good employment, insurance, even their houses. Household income has been growing slower than credit card debt. What does that tell you about the U.S. standard of living? Eisboch wrote: I don't know if the "majority" are or are not, but don't you see the difference in thinking? The average "Joe Swede" looks at an American moving backwards and can't, for the life of him, understand why and may even long for the opportunity that he thinks the American has. Agreed... but the problem is that opportunity being outsourced to China and you probably know more than most about how difficult it is to make any innovation pay off. The fact that the biggest U.S. growth industry for the last 8 years has been lobbying, should say a lot about the US system and opportunity. The fact the so-called conservatives have been in charge most of that time is one reason why I am PO'd at the current gang of "conservatives" in politics. The U.S. is not a fair marketplace and those who shout the loudest about opportunity & free markets are the ones who work the hardest to subvert the rules in their own favor. All that aside, I had a close partner in college who was a Swedish engineering student. Very smart and also had quite a few observations about similarities and differences between the U.S. and America. You'd probably enjoy his perspective on Swedish socialized medicine... almost everything is free, but if you need specialized treatment then you go back after 5pm and be prepared to pay cash. Regards Doug King As opposed to the US system, where, if you are one of the nearly 50 million without health insurance or the means to pay cash, you're likely to get little or no care at all for serious medical problems, and if you do get help, you sit and wait and wait and wait while you lose time from work and then you lose your crummy job. Something about life, liberty and pursuit of happiness comes to mind. Nowhere does it say that someone else will subsidize your health care and your retirement. Besides, just go to any hospital and say you are an "undocumented immigrant" and you will be taken care of free of charge. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message . .. JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JimH wrote: The US is down in the dumper on most serious places ratings surveys. Such as? Here's one. There are several about: http://www.economist.com/theworldin/...3372495&d=2005 LOL. I have to give you an "A" for effort, Harry. The US is far from being in the "dumper" and your claim is a bit misleading. According to the UN Human Development Index (HDI), the US hasn't led or come close to leading the list since at least 1980 but it's ranking is still up there with little mathematical score difference between it and the top of the list. It is interesting that the countries that have led the list over the years tend to be more socialistic in their government. Nice try, though. :-) Eisboch What's even more interesting is that, you being the exception (I think), most of the people here who depict socialism to be evil have absolutely no idea what it really is. At least it's entertaining to witness the ideas they pull outta their asses. :-) Why don't you enlighten us as to why we should accept socialism as a way of life? If you can't explain why it is such a good thing then you are just being argumentative. I don't have to explain it. If a survey of human beings indicates that they like their country, who the **** are we to criticize their economic system? Having said that, I know why you do it: You lump all socialist countries into one big category, so you think Finland equals the USSR. Do as you wish. |
Gasoline prices - another record high/ supply and demand
Harry Krause wrote:
DSK wrote: Harry Krause wrote: As opposed to the US system, where, if you are one of the nearly 50 million without health insurance or the means to pay cash, you're likely to get little or no care at all for serious medical problems, and if you do get help, you sit and wait and wait and wait while you lose time from work and then you lose your crummy job. A crummy job is not much loss, is it? Waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting for FREE health care is not that big a problem, is it? If there was such a thing as free gasoline, imagine how long you'd have to wait in line at the pump. DSK That's pretty smug of you. A crummy job often is the only one available for some people. Life isn't fair. Is if fair that the rabbit gets killed and eaten by the fox? Should we outlaw foxes killing and eating rabbits? With your logic it should be outlawed. If you aren't going to take care of yourself and improve your lot in life then why should others have to do it for you? |
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