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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:18:52 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


What is the life expectancy in Canada?

Ever use a search engine?

Canada life expectancy is total population: 80.22 years
male: 76.86 years
female: 83.74 years (2006 est.)

US:total population: 77.85 years
male: 75.02 years
female: 80.82 years (2006 est.)

Infant mortality Canada total: 4.69 deaths/1,000 live births
male: 5.15 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 4.22 deaths/1,000 live births (2006 est.)

US total: 6.43 deaths/1,000 live births
male: 7.09 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 5.74 deaths/1,000 live births (2006 est.)

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DSK wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
Still why is the health care people receive in the US better than
anywhere else in the world, even those socialist countries?


It's not.

Can you point to *ANY* statistic or metric on health in which the U.S.
is the top nation? Much less any bundle of such statistics (other than
obesity & smoking)?

I know of only one: the U.S. has more jingoistic (look it up) boneheads
who trumpet how the U.S. is the BEST BEST BEST per capita of any
developed country.

If you don't like living in the US of A and especially if you don't like
the attitude of the majority, 50% + 1, people then you are free to move
to any other country on the face of this earth, except the ones that
will not take you because you will not be bringing in millions of
dollars and will be employing half of the 30% of unemployed people now
living in those countries.

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thunder wrote:
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:01:26 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


How many unskilled persons have been allowed to immigrate into Canada
within the last 25 years? Remember, I said unskilled persons have been
allowed to immigrate into Canada? Allowing wealth people from Asia and
Europe doesn't count.

Don't know, but it is estimated that 1/4 of Ontario's construction
industry are illegals.

http://are.berkeley.edu/APMP/pubs/ag...ada111503.html

How many thousands, not tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands, of
people is that exactly?

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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:32:36 +0000, NOYB wrote:


Not *my* patients. Unless, of course, they happen to be Canadian. Why do
they spend thousands down here with me if they can get if for free up
there?

Your pleasant demeanor? ;-) I don't know. Is dental covered in Canada?

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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:36:47 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


Why do Canadian's come to the US for health care? Because they can
see a
doctor or get an MRI next week rather the 10 months from now.

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10515

"Most of what we hear about the Canadian health care system is
negative; in particular, the long waiting times for medical
procedures. But we found that waiting times affect few patients,
only 3.5% of Canadians vs. 0.7% of people in the U.S."

How is that not significant? If I wrote the headline, it would
read: "Five times as many Canadian patients are affected by long
waiting times compared to American patients".

The fact that the author downplays that important fact, yet hypes
another fact like "9.9% of U.S. respondents couldn't afford medicine
vs. 5.1% in Canada", shows his bias.

No matter what country you're talking about, why should it EVER be a
luxury item? I know the usual drivel: It's not mentioned in the
Constitution, but that's not a good enough reason.

Health insurance ought to be made more affordable. Period. Start
with the insurers. Repeal that damn McCarron-Ferguson Act, and put
insurance under Federal regulation. Allow small businesses to band
together across state lines and purchase insurance through their
national associations.

I wouldn't be opposed to paying higher taxes to cover medical
insurance if I didn't have to spend what I currently spend on health
insurance...*AND* I could get coverage at least as good as what I
currently have.

It costs my family $1200/month for insurance. Add that to the
$800/month I spend for my employees, and that's $24000/year that I
spend on health insurance. They could raise my tax rate 5 percentage
points and it would still be cheaper than what I'm paying now.

Oooh....government regulation. You're a liberal!

And you're a conservative:

"I agree. If I need an x-ray and money's tight, I can put it on a credit
card. And, there's never a problem with $60 office visits to the
internist. Meanwhile, I'm paying $300 a month for Blue Choice, for
medical needs which may never happen. I'd love to have a policy that
covered everything over X amount - $2K a year, or some such thing.
"

You just described Bush's medical savings account plan.

"On August 21, 1996, President Clinton signed into law the
Kassebaum-Kennedy bill that allows Americans to open a Medical Savings
Account (MSA)."

Unless you're finicky about the numbers, it seems to be a different
president's plan.

Bush's *Health* Savings Accounts. HSA's. Sorry.

" Health Savings Accounts (HSAs) were created by the Medicare bill signed
by President Bush on December 8, 2003 and are designed to help individuals
save for future qualified medical and retiree health expenses on a
tax-free basis. "

http://www.treasury.gov/offices/public-affairs/hsa/

Some people pay outrageous amounts of money to see the Rolling Stones or
Luciano Pavarotti. I would've paid maybe $200 to watch someone trying to
explain the plan to Nookular Boy. It would've been the best 8 hours worth of
entertainment imaginable.

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thunder wrote:
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:18:52 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


What is the life expectancy in Canada?

Ever use a search engine?

Canada life expectancy is total population: 80.22 years
male: 76.86 years
female: 83.74 years (2006 est.)

US:total population: 77.85 years
male: 75.02 years
female: 80.82 years (2006 est.)

Infant mortality Canada total: 4.69 deaths/1,000 live births
male: 5.15 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 4.22 deaths/1,000 live births (2006 est.)

US total: 6.43 deaths/1,000 live births
male: 7.09 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 5.74 deaths/1,000 live births (2006 est.)

Thanks for doing the work?

Is giving half of my income to the government work 2.65 years of living?
Don't know haven't figured that one out yet.


When children bear children there will always be infant mortality issues.

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"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:01:59 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
m...

If you can't explain why it is such a good thing then you are just
being argumentative.
I don't have to explain it. If a survey of human beings indicates
that
they like their country, who the **** are we to criticize their
economic system? Having said that, I know why you do it: You lump all
socialist countries into one big category, so you think Finland
equals
the USSR. Do as you wish.
Did you forget to take your lithium today Doug?

You are the one that is getting all hot and bothered because people
are
not taking your word as gospel regarding the socio-economic systems
you
prefer.

I prefer this one, so I live here. You, on the other hand, think you
have
information that the Finns are unaware of.

Finland is still a socialist state and all of the freedoms of a country
like and only like the US are not available to them.

Which freedoms?


The freedom to determine how most of your income is spent.
John

We don't have that here. What on earth are you talking about?

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
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While the separate arguments he makes looks pretty good on their
face,
when you put them together it seems a bit like leaving the hen house
unlocked, and handing the keys to the fox. Basically, let the bad
oil
companies alone set the price for the raw material they need, as
they
see fit? How's that gonna work?

What are you talking about??? The henhouse is *already* unlocked!
The presence of non-industry gamblers in the hedging process is the
largest part of the problem. Are you saying they *belong* in the
futures market because they somehow keep the oil companies honest???
The world according to Doug Kanter, aka JoeSpareBedroom, sure must be
a rigid one. If I have money to invest or speculate on commodities or
futures why should I be limited to specific vehicles?

Your world doesn't sound like a place most of us Americans want to
live in.

It's already that kind of world. Walk into a brokerage firm and tell
them you want to play with uncovered call options. There's a 50/50
chance that they'll walk you to the door because the regulations are
designed to prevent people from jumping off bridges.
However, if I have enough of a net worth I can play with uncovered call
options.


Anyway...back to the oil subject: Oil is a product too important to be
fiddled with by monkeys. Would you agree that when the price increases by
50%, it affects parts of the economy in negative ways?

Develop another source of usable energy that is more cost effective than
oil is and you could be rich. Otherwise, shut up and pay before you pump.


Irrelevant. Would you agree that when the price increases by 50%, it affects
parts of the economy in negative ways?

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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:36:26 +0000, NOYB wrote:


The nimrod that helped create Florida's insurance problems when he served
as Insurance Commissioner for 6 years, is now our US senator. And he
opposes the Small Business Health Fairness Act which would allow small
businesses to band together across state lines to buy insurance through
their national association at discounted rates.

What's the status of that bill? It seems reasonable to me.

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Bert Robbins wrote:
Don White wrote:

Bert Robbins wrote:

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

" JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

JimH wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

JimH wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..

Don White wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Jack Goff wrote:

The separation between yourself and Jack Goff (childish
namecalling
and all...) is immense. I'm superior in every way. I even
live in a
superior country. I'm sorry for you, Don. :-)


Don't know why you run from your nickname, Jackoff. It suits
you to a tee.


Jackoff should stick with what he does best.
The United Nations lists Canada as one of the best 3 or 4
places in the
world to live year after year.


The US is down in the dumper on most serious places ratings
surveys.


Such as?


Here's one. There are several about:

http://www.economist.com/theworldin/...3372495&d=2005



ROTF! The Economist? Nothing more than a European rag as
obviously reflected in their ratings.



Absurd. The Economist is one of the most respected publications in
the world. And as I said there are any number such surveys extant.
The US no longer leads the pack in such important areas as
democracy, freedom of the press, lowest infant mortality rates,
availability of health care, et cetera.

Finland, usually, leads the pack of quality nations.



Finland? A socialistic country? This is funny. Tell me more.


I'll make you a deal. You explain why a socialist country could not
rate higher in terms of satisfaction, and if you do that, I'll spend
my entire afternoon finding links for you, and not insult you at all.


Their citizens, or captives, don't know any better or they just enjoy
having everything feed to them in small portions.

Why do Canadian's come to the US for health care? Because they can
see a doctor or get an MRI next week rather the 10 months from now.



If you don't mind paying $700.00 - 800.00 out of pocket, you can get
an MRI scan within a week or two here at a private clinic.


And, percentage of your income do you gladly give to your national and
provincial governments every year?


0%

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Jack Goff" wrote in message
...


While the separate arguments he makes looks pretty good on their
face,
when you put them together it seems a bit like leaving the hen house
unlocked, and handing the keys to the fox. Basically, let the bad
oil
companies alone set the price for the raw material they need, as
they
see fit? How's that gonna work?

What are you talking about??? The henhouse is *already* unlocked!
The presence of non-industry gamblers in the hedging process is the
largest part of the problem. Are you saying they *belong* in the
futures market because they somehow keep the oil companies honest???
The world according to Doug Kanter, aka JoeSpareBedroom, sure must be
a rigid one. If I have money to invest or speculate on commodities or
futures why should I be limited to specific vehicles?

Your world doesn't sound like a place most of us Americans want to
live in.

It's already that kind of world. Walk into a brokerage firm and tell
them you want to play with uncovered call options. There's a 50/50
chance that they'll walk you to the door because the regulations are
designed to prevent people from jumping off bridges.
However, if I have enough of a net worth I can play with uncovered call
options.

Anyway...back to the oil subject: Oil is a product too important to be
fiddled with by monkeys. Would you agree that when the price increases by
50%, it affects parts of the economy in negative ways?
Develop another source of usable energy that is more cost effective than
oil is and you could be rich. Otherwise, shut up and pay before you pump.


Irrelevant. Would you agree that when the price increases by 50%, it affects
parts of the economy in negative ways?

Why is it irrelevant? Is it that you don't want to discuss alternatives
because it will spoil you current activity of slamming the Bush
Administration?

How many people have been laid off due to the increase in oil costs? How
many people have gone bankrupt due to the increase in oil costs?

The more interesting piece of economic news of late is the potential
increase in the forclosure rate due to the variable interest rate
mortgages rising considerably over the next two years. The general, pre
oil price rise, trend over the last two years that is predicted by the
FRBS is more troubling. Shouldn't the FRBS be lowering the rate to keep
the current variable rate mortgage payers in paying rather than being
forclosed on?

He says sitting on a 5.75% 30 year fixed interest rate mortgage.

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Don White wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
Don White wrote:

Bert Robbins wrote:

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

" JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

JimH wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

JimH wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..

Don White wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Jack Goff wrote:

The separation between yourself and Jack Goff (childish
namecalling
and all...) is immense. I'm superior in every way. I
even live in a
superior country. I'm sorry for you, Don. :-)


Don't know why you run from your nickname, Jackoff. It
suits you to a tee.


Jackoff should stick with what he does best.
The United Nations lists Canada as one of the best 3 or 4
places in the
world to live year after year.


The US is down in the dumper on most serious places ratings
surveys.


Such as?


Here's one. There are several about:

http://www.economist.com/theworldin/...3372495&d=2005



ROTF! The Economist? Nothing more than a European rag as
obviously reflected in their ratings.



Absurd. The Economist is one of the most respected publications
in the world. And as I said there are any number such surveys
extant. The US no longer leads the pack in such important areas
as democracy, freedom of the press, lowest infant mortality
rates, availability of health care, et cetera.

Finland, usually, leads the pack of quality nations.



Finland? A socialistic country? This is funny. Tell me more.


I'll make you a deal. You explain why a socialist country could not
rate higher in terms of satisfaction, and if you do that, I'll
spend my entire afternoon finding links for you, and not insult you
at all.


Their citizens, or captives, don't know any better or they just
enjoy having everything feed to them in small portions.

Why do Canadian's come to the US for health care? Because they can
see a doctor or get an MRI next week rather the 10 months from now.



If you don't mind paying $700.00 - 800.00 out of pocket, you can get
an MRI scan within a week or two here at a private clinic.


And, percentage of your income do you gladly give to your national and
provincial governments every year?


0%

Harry should scold you for not willingly giving of your hard labor to
your fellow man.

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Bert Robbins wrote:
thunder wrote:

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:34:27 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


We have about 12 to 15 million people that want a better place to live
than central America and I wonder why they have not just passed through
the US to Canada?


What makes you think they aren't? Canada is more welcoming to the
migrant, with a net migration rate of 5.85 migrants/1000. This is
opposed to the U.S. rate of 3.18/1000. As with most First World nations,
Canada uses immigration to maintain a growing economy.
Canada also has a considerable illegal migrant issue. The difference is
they make it easier for the illegal to become legal than we do.


How many unskilled persons have been allowed to immigrate into Canada
within the last 25 years? Remember, I said unskilled persons have been
allowed to immigrate into Canada? Allowing wealth people from Asia and
Europe doesn't count.


Go to Toronto and see who's immigrating.

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Don White wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
thunder wrote:

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:34:27 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


We have about 12 to 15 million people that want a better place to live
than central America and I wonder why they have not just passed through
the US to Canada?


What makes you think they aren't? Canada is more welcoming to the
migrant, with a net migration rate of 5.85 migrants/1000. This is
opposed to the U.S. rate of 3.18/1000. As with most First World
nations,
Canada uses immigration to maintain a growing economy. Canada also
has a considerable illegal migrant issue. The difference is
they make it easier for the illegal to become legal than we do.


How many unskilled persons have been allowed to immigrate into Canada
within the last 25 years? Remember, I said unskilled persons have been
allowed to immigrate into Canada? Allowing wealth people from Asia and
Europe doesn't count.


Go to Toronto and see who's immigrating.

My next trip to Canada will be to visit Quebec City.

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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:54:27 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:01:59 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
om...

If you can't explain why it is such a good thing then you are just
being argumentative.
I don't have to explain it. If a survey of human beings indicates
that
they like their country, who the **** are we to criticize their
economic system? Having said that, I know why you do it: You lump all
socialist countries into one big category, so you think Finland
equals
the USSR. Do as you wish.
Did you forget to take your lithium today Doug?

You are the one that is getting all hot and bothered because people
are
not taking your word as gospel regarding the socio-economic systems
you
prefer.

I prefer this one, so I live here. You, on the other hand, think you
have
information that the Finns are unaware of.

Finland is still a socialist state and all of the freedoms of a country
like and only like the US are not available to them.

Which freedoms?


The freedom to determine how most of your income is spent.
John

We don't have that here. What on earth are you talking about?


You may not. I do. The word was 'most'.
--
******************************************
***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
******************************************

John

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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:52:57 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


Is giving half of my income to the government work 2.65 years of living?
Don't know haven't figured that one out yet.

I think you have it backwards. The US pays 15% GDP for health care,
Canada @ 10%. As I have said before, in the global marketplace, that is a
major disadvantage.

And where to you get "half of my income"? Canada's tax structure isn't
that much different than the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Canada

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"Don White" wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:
thunder wrote:

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:34:27 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


We have about 12 to 15 million people that want a better place to live
than central America and I wonder why they have not just passed through
the US to Canada?


What makes you think they aren't? Canada is more welcoming to the
migrant, with a net migration rate of 5.85 migrants/1000. This is
opposed to the U.S. rate of 3.18/1000. As with most First World
nations,
Canada uses immigration to maintain a growing economy. Canada also has a
considerable illegal migrant issue. The difference is
they make it easier for the illegal to become legal than we do.


How many unskilled persons have been allowed to immigrate into Canada
within the last 25 years? Remember, I said unskilled persons have been
allowed to immigrate into Canada? Allowing wealth people from Asia and
Europe doesn't count.


Go to Toronto and see who's immigrating.

Toronto is indeed a nice place to visit and we may do so again next year on
our trip next year to Baltimore, New York City, Boston and Freeport, Maine.

The last time we were in Toronto was in the early 1990's. ;-)

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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..

And, percentage of your income do you gladly give to your national and
provincial governments every year?


0%

Harry should scold you for not willingly giving of your hard labor to your
fellow man.

Whooosh!

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thunder wrote:
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:52:57 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


Is giving half of my income to the government work 2.65 years of living?
Don't know haven't figured that one out yet.

I think you have it backwards. The US pays 15% GDP for health care,
Canada @ 10%. As I have said before, in the global marketplace, that is a
major disadvantage.

And where to you get "half of my income"? Canada's tax structure isn't
that much different than the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Canada

What is the overall tax percentage of a typical Canadian and an
American? I am not talking about GDP I am talking about whether 15 to 20
percent of my income, or more, is worth living an extra 2.65 years?

They GDP does not figure into this equation.

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"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:54:27 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:01:59 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
news:NfmdnfqXkrLC_k_ZnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@comcast. com...

If you can't explain why it is such a good thing then you are just
being argumentative.
I don't have to explain it. If a survey of human beings indicates
that
they like their country, who the **** are we to criticize their
economic system? Having said that, I know why you do it: You lump
all
socialist countries into one big category, so you think Finland
equals
the USSR. Do as you wish.
Did you forget to take your lithium today Doug?

You are the one that is getting all hot and bothered because people
are
not taking your word as gospel regarding the socio-economic systems
you
prefer.

I prefer this one, so I live here. You, on the other hand, think you
have
information that the Finns are unaware of.

Finland is still a socialist state and all of the freedoms of a
country
like and only like the US are not available to them.

Which freedoms?


The freedom to determine how most of your income is spent.
John

We don't have that here. What on earth are you talking about?


You may not. I do. The word was 'most'.
John

Oops. I read "taxes".

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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Jack Goff" wrote in message
...


While the separate arguments he makes looks pretty good on their
face,
when you put them together it seems a bit like leaving the hen
house
unlocked, and handing the keys to the fox. Basically, let the bad
oil
companies alone set the price for the raw material they need, as
they
see fit? How's that gonna work?

What are you talking about??? The henhouse is *already* unlocked!
The presence of non-industry gamblers in the hedging process is the
largest part of the problem. Are you saying they *belong* in the
futures market because they somehow keep the oil companies
honest???
The world according to Doug Kanter, aka JoeSpareBedroom, sure must
be a rigid one. If I have money to invest or speculate on
commodities or futures why should I be limited to specific vehicles?

Your world doesn't sound like a place most of us Americans want to
live in.

It's already that kind of world. Walk into a brokerage firm and tell
them you want to play with uncovered call options. There's a 50/50
chance that they'll walk you to the door because the regulations are
designed to prevent people from jumping off bridges.
However, if I have enough of a net worth I can play with uncovered
call options.

Anyway...back to the oil subject: Oil is a product too important to be
fiddled with by monkeys. Would you agree that when the price increases
by 50%, it affects parts of the economy in negative ways?
Develop another source of usable energy that is more cost effective than
oil is and you could be rich. Otherwise, shut up and pay before you
pump.


Irrelevant. Would you agree that when the price increases by 50%, it
affects parts of the economy in negative ways?

Why is it irrelevant? Is it that you don't want to discuss alternatives
because it will spoil you current activity of slamming the Bush
Administration?

How many people have been laid off due to the increase in oil costs? How
many people have gone bankrupt due to the increase in oil costs?

The more interesting piece of economic news of late is the potential
increase in the forclosure rate due to the variable interest rate
mortgages rising considerably over the next two years. The general, pre
oil price rise, trend over the last two years that is predicted by the
FRBS is more troubling. Shouldn't the FRBS be lowering the rate to keep
the current variable rate mortgage payers in paying rather than being
forclosed on?

He says sitting on a 5.75% 30 year fixed interest rate mortgage.

You're drinking again. What's Bush got to do with the futures market, which
has been around since before he was scraped out of his petri dish?

You're right about oil though. Its cost is only important to the cars we
drive, and anything that needs to be shipped. That's not much. Every now and
then, I push a button and see a graph of the per mile trucking costs my
company and ALL others have paid over the years. It's a steep curve over the
last 40 months or so. But, it must be wrong, even though the figures come
directly from our invoices. Maybe I need my glasses checked.

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" JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message
. ..


Toronto is indeed a nice place to visit and we may do so again next year
on our trip next year to Baltimore, New York City, Boston and Freeport,
Maine.


If you come to Boston, stay out of the tunnels.

Eisboch

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..

And, percentage of your income do you gladly give to your national and
provincial governments every year?

0%
Harry should scold you for not willingly giving of your hard labor to your
fellow man.

Whooosh!



You are the one that missed it Dougie!

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
. ..
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Jack Goff" wrote in message
...


While the separate arguments he makes looks pretty good on their
face,
when you put them together it seems a bit like leaving the hen
house
unlocked, and handing the keys to the fox. Basically, let the bad
oil
companies alone set the price for the raw material they need, as
they
see fit? How's that gonna work?

What are you talking about??? The henhouse is *already* unlocked!
The presence of non-industry gamblers in the hedging process is the
largest part of the problem. Are you saying they *belong* in the
futures market because they somehow keep the oil companies
honest???
The world according to Doug Kanter, aka JoeSpareBedroom, sure must
be a rigid one. If I have money to invest or speculate on
commodities or futures why should I be limited to specific vehicles?

Your world doesn't sound like a place most of us Americans want to
live in.

It's already that kind of world. Walk into a brokerage firm and tell
them you want to play with uncovered call options. There's a 50/50
chance that they'll walk you to the door because the regulations are
designed to prevent people from jumping off bridges.
However, if I have enough of a net worth I can play with uncovered
call options.

Anyway...back to the oil subject: Oil is a product too important to be
fiddled with by monkeys. Would you agree that when the price increases
by 50%, it affects parts of the economy in negative ways?
Develop another source of usable energy that is more cost effective than
oil is and you could be rich. Otherwise, shut up and pay before you
pump.

Irrelevant. Would you agree that when the price increases by 50%, it
affects parts of the economy in negative ways?
Why is it irrelevant? Is it that you don't want to discuss alternatives
because it will spoil you current activity of slamming the Bush
Administration?

How many people have been laid off due to the increase in oil costs? How
many people have gone bankrupt due to the increase in oil costs?

The more interesting piece of economic news of late is the potential
increase in the forclosure rate due to the variable interest rate
mortgages rising considerably over the next two years. The general, pre
oil price rise, trend over the last two years that is predicted by the
FRBS is more troubling. Shouldn't the FRBS be lowering the rate to keep
the current variable rate mortgage payers in paying rather than being
forclosed on?

He says sitting on a 5.75% 30 year fixed interest rate mortgage.

You're drinking again. What's Bush got to do with the futures market, which
has been around since before he was scraped out of his petri dish?

Who said anything about Bush? FRBS = Federal Reserve Banking System. You
know they guys that are independent of the three branches of government
and who set monitary policy in the US.

You're right about oil though. Its cost is only important to the cars we
drive, and anything that needs to be shipped. That's not much. Every now and
then, I push a button and see a graph of the per mile trucking costs my
company and ALL others have paid over the years. It's a steep curve over the
last 40 months or so. But, it must be wrong, even though the figures come
directly from our invoices. Maybe I need my glasses checked.

What have you stopped doing due to the increase in oil? Have you stopped
eating? Have you lost your house? Have you given up driving your car or
boat? Have you reduced the number of movies you go to? Have you stoped
funding your 401k or your IRA? How has the increase in oil price
materially affected you?

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JimH wrote:
DSK wrote:
You're a tautological buffoon who sits in his mother's basement
endlessly trying to emulate his intellectual superiors by engaging in
fruitless argument over anything and everything all the while never
realizing that he is merely dribbling and drooling vacuous statements
in a torrent of mental masturbation leading to the self-delusion that
he is brilliantly mastering the subject when in fact those who
actually contribute meaningful, educated and literate commentary on
both sides of any discussion secretly laugh their collective asses off
watching the one man clown show that is you.

Specific enough?


LOL! That has to be the longest, but most accurate, sentence I have ever
read. ;-)


It's laser sighted-accurate... applies to several people
too... a veritable MIRV of a sentence...

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
Without taking sides in this part of the discussion, I have to say it was a
nicely crafted sentence. Hints of cherry & apricot, with a finish of almond.
It should age well.


Indeed.
I'm tempted to file off the serial numbers and take it home
with me, for future use on asuitable occasions!

DSK



Perhaps we should nominate it for the rec.boats longest, most accurate
and most elegant sentence awards so it will live in infamy. :-)

Hey, Sheriff Jim, what happened to you lambasting everyone for posting
and replying off topic? Now that it's your time of the month, you're
going to do just as you've shunned others for doing (as usual)?

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

" JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message
. ..


Toronto is indeed a nice place to visit and we may do so again next year
on our trip next year to Baltimore, New York City, Boston and Freeport,
Maine.


If you come to Boston, stay out of the tunnels.

Eisboch


Been there...........done that...........will never do again.

But thanks anyway. ;-)

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Amen!


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 3 Aug 2006 06:16:27 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 3 Aug 2006 04:32:37 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 2 Aug 2006 12:51:29 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 2 Aug 2006 06:11:49 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
Slow steady wins the race.

I don't think John Force would buy into that.

John Force is an idiot.

And drag racing sucks - unless it's on the street and it's a Mustang
or some crappy rice burner.

That's when the 'Vette teaches 'em a lesson. :)

John Force is a self made multi millionaire. He started with nothing,
made a fortune. Drag racing is one of the most technologically advanced
forms of piston engine racing there is.

Right.

Ever hear of F1 racing?

Yes, why? Drag racing is still one of the most technologically advanced
forms of piston engine racing there is. At 6000+ horsepower, an F1
engine is a horsepower midget in comparison at around 750 hp.

John Force probably started with much less than you, and built a
multi million dollar conglomerate. Have you?

Yep.

Yeah, sure......

Stick to things you know about Bassy...

Just what is it in this previous post that you are eluding to that I
don't know? Be specific.

Specific? Sure.

You're a tautological buffoon who sits in his mother's basement
endlessly trying to emulate his intellectual superiors by engaging in
fruitless argument over anything and everything all the while never
realizing that he is merely dribbling and drooling vacuous statements
in a torrent of mental masturbation leading to the self-delusion that
he is brilliantly mastering the subject when in fact those who
actually contribute meaningful, educated and literate commentary on
both sides of any discussion secretly laugh their collective asses off
watching the one man clown show that is you.

Specific enough?

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NOYB wrote:
We have the highest rate of breast cancer survival, and the best cervical
cancer screneing system in the world.


That's good. Thanks for pointing that out.

And remember that WHO report that ranked the US 37th out of 191 countries
surveyed? It was too heavily weighted towards favoring countries with
univeral coverage.


Yeah yeah, whine about libby-rull bias.
Better wait for the boys in the chorus to chime in.

But here's where they ranked America's health system *first* in several
categories:

1) first in responsiveness to patients' needs for "choice of provider"

2) first in "dignity"

3) first in "autonomy"


In other words, feel-good BS that has no impact whatever on
actual effective patient care.

Like I said, we have the highest rate of jingoistic
blowhards in the developed world.


4) first in "timely care"


Actually the US emergengy 911 system is pretty good- I
wouldn't be surprised if it were the best or among the best
at bringing care to accidents & victims in to tertiary care.

A small but important contribution to health overall.


5) first in "confidentiality"


And how exactly is this ranked? The best kept secret is one
that nobody knows is being kept.




Does that satisfy your request for "any" metric on health in which the U.S.
is the top nation?


Yes, and it helps prove my point.

Better go chime in with Bert's response, he needs a little
more bass register:
"If'n yew-all don't like it hee-yah, then git"

DSK

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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 19:23:49 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 11:13:43 GMT, Jack Goff wrote:

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:35:58 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 01:39:01 GMT, Jack Goff wrote:

On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:20:24 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On 2 Aug 2006 06:11:49 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
Slow steady wins the race.

I don't think John Force would buy into that.

John Force is an idiot.

And drag racing sucks - unless it's on the street and it's a Mustang
or some crappy rice burner.

That's when the 'Vette teaches 'em a lesson. :)

You got a C6R? Anthing less and the new Mustang Cobra will show the
'vette the door! :-)

Highly unlikely. 645 hp before the NOX. :)

Ahhh... traction is your problem.

Um....I don't have a problem.

Not with traction? It's tubbed?


Especially with Mustangs. :)

Yeah... well, only little boys wear bowties.
:-)

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thunder wrote:
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:32:36 +0000, NOYB wrote:



Not *my* patients. Unless, of course, they happen to be Canadian. Why do
they spend thousands down here with me if they can get if for free up
there?


Your pleasant demeanor? ;-) I don't know. Is dental covered in Canada?

No.. not for anyone over 10 years of age in my home province.

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Bert Robbins wrote:
Don White wrote:

Bert Robbins wrote:

thunder wrote:

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:34:27 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


We have about 12 to 15 million people that want a better place to live
than central America and I wonder why they have not just passed
through
the US to Canada?



What makes you think they aren't? Canada is more welcoming to the
migrant, with a net migration rate of 5.85 migrants/1000. This is
opposed to the U.S. rate of 3.18/1000. As with most First World
nations,
Canada uses immigration to maintain a growing economy. Canada also
has a considerable illegal migrant issue. The difference is
they make it easier for the illegal to become legal than we do.



How many unskilled persons have been allowed to immigrate into Canada
within the last 25 years? Remember, I said unskilled persons have
been allowed to immigrate into Canada? Allowing wealth people from
Asia and Europe doesn't count.


Go to Toronto and see who's immigrating.


My next trip to Canada will be to visit Quebec City.


You'd better leave your attitude home when you visit there. The
residents of that area can be much more sensitive than Montreal citizens.

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NOYB wrote:
"thunder" wrote in message
...

As we were comparing Canadian and US systems, I'd
be willing to bet, if a survey were done, that Canadians are happier with
their health care system, than we are with ours.


Not *my* patients. Unless, of course, they happen to be Canadian. Why do
they spend thousands down here with me if they can get if for free up there?



You know better than that. Dental care is not included in our system....
unless you happen to be 10 years old or younger in Nova Scotia.

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Bert Robbins wrote:
Don White wrote:

Bert Robbins wrote:

Don White wrote:

Bert Robbins wrote:

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

" JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

JimH wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

JimH wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..

Don White wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Jack Goff wrote:

The separation between yourself and Jack Goff (childish
namecalling
and all...) is immense. I'm superior in every way. I
even live in a
superior country. I'm sorry for you, Don. :-)



Don't know why you run from your nickname, Jackoff. It
suits you to a tee.



Jackoff should stick with what he does best.
The United Nations lists Canada as one of the best 3 or 4
places in the
world to live year after year.



The US is down in the dumper on most serious places ratings
surveys.



Such as?



Here's one. There are several about:

http://www.economist.com/theworldin/...3372495&d=2005




ROTF! The Economist? Nothing more than a European rag as
obviously reflected in their ratings.




Absurd. The Economist is one of the most respected publications
in the world. And as I said there are any number such surveys
extant. The US no longer leads the pack in such important areas
as democracy, freedom of the press, lowest infant mortality
rates, availability of health care, et cetera.

Finland, usually, leads the pack of quality nations.




Finland? A socialistic country? This is funny. Tell me more.


I'll make you a deal. You explain why a socialist country could
not rate higher in terms of satisfaction, and if you do that, I'll
spend my entire afternoon finding links for you, and not insult
you at all.


Their citizens, or captives, don't know any better or they just
enjoy having everything feed to them in small portions.

Why do Canadian's come to the US for health care? Because they can
see a doctor or get an MRI next week rather the 10 months from now.




If you don't mind paying $700.00 - 800.00 out of pocket, you can get
an MRI scan within a week or two here at a private clinic.



And, percentage of your income do you gladly give to your national
and provincial governments every year?


0%


Harry should scold you for not willingly giving of your hard labor to
your fellow man.


You said gladly. The biggest problem with our Health Care System is the
Federal Gov't. They balanced their budget and now show a surplus each
year thanks to cutbacks to education and health. They only provide
between a third or a half of the percentage they contributed originally.
Poorer provinces. like mine (12 billion in debt), struggle to meet the
costs while rich provinces like Alberta (paid off it's debt last year)
actually gives it's citizens a rebate on taxes paid.

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thunder wrote:
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:52:57 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:



Is giving half of my income to the government work 2.65 years of living?
Don't know haven't figured that one out yet.


I think you have it backwards. The US pays 15% GDP for health care,
Canada @ 10%. As I have said before, in the global marketplace, that is a
major disadvantage.

And where to you get "half of my income"? Canada's tax structure isn't
that much different than the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Canada


The province of Alberta probably compares well against most states. Low
provincial income tax and no provincial sales tax. Just the opposite here.

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JimH wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...

Bert Robbins wrote:

thunder wrote:


On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:34:27 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:



We have about 12 to 15 million people that want a better place to live
than central America and I wonder why they have not just passed through
the US to Canada?


What makes you think they aren't? Canada is more welcoming to the
migrant, with a net migration rate of 5.85 migrants/1000. This is
opposed to the U.S. rate of 3.18/1000. As with most First World
nations,
Canada uses immigration to maintain a growing economy. Canada also has a
considerable illegal migrant issue. The difference is
they make it easier for the illegal to become legal than we do.


How many unskilled persons have been allowed to immigrate into Canada
within the last 25 years? Remember, I said unskilled persons have been
allowed to immigrate into Canada? Allowing wealth people from Asia and
Europe doesn't count.


Go to Toronto and see who's immigrating.


Toronto is indeed a nice place to visit and we may do so again next year on
our trip next year to Baltimore, New York City, Boston and Freeport, Maine.

The last time we were in Toronto was in the early 1990's. ;-)


Bert thinks we only accept rich people who can buy there way in.
There seems to be a two tier system depending on where you come from.
Toronto has hundreds of thousand of people from places like the
Caribbean (Jamaica)who come to do a lot of the menial work with the hope
of a better life for the kids.

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Eisboch wrote:
" JimH" jimhUNDERSCOREosudad@yahooDOTcom wrote in message
. ..


Toronto is indeed a nice place to visit and we may do so again next year
on our trip next year to Baltimore, New York City, Boston and Freeport,
Maine.



If you come to Boston, stay out of the tunnels.

Eisboch


I wonder if Jim can pick up something for me when he's in L.L. Bean's?

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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On 3 Aug 2006 06:16:27 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 3 Aug 2006 04:32:37 -0700, "basskisser" wrote:


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 2 Aug 2006 12:51:29 -0700, "basskisser"
wrote:


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 2 Aug 2006 06:11:49 -0700, "basskisser"
wrote:


Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
Slow steady wins the race.

I don't think John Force would buy into that.

John Force is an idiot.

And drag racing sucks - unless it's on the street and it's a
Mustang
or some crappy rice burner.

That's when the 'Vette teaches 'em a lesson. :)

John Force is a self made multi millionaire. He started with
nothing,
made a fortune. Drag racing is one of the most technologically
advanced
forms of piston engine racing there is.

Right.

Ever hear of F1 racing?

Yes, why? Drag racing is still one of the most technologically advanced
forms of piston engine racing there is. At 6000+ horsepower, an F1
engine is a horsepower midget in comparison at around 750 hp.

John Force probably started with much less than you, and built a
multi million dollar conglomerate. Have you?

Yep.

Yeah, sure......

Stick to things you know about Bassy...

Just what is it in this previous post that you are eluding to that I
don't know? Be specific.

Specific? Sure.

You're a tautological buffoon who sits in his mother's basement
endlessly trying to emulate his intellectual superiors by engaging in
fruitless argument over anything and everything all the while never
realizing that he is merely dribbling and drooling vacuous statements
in a torrent of mental masturbation leading to the self-delusion that
he is brilliantly mastering the subject when in fact those who
actually contribute meaningful, educated and literate commentary on
both sides of any discussion secretly laugh their collective asses off
watching the one man clown show that is you.

Specific enough?

LMAO!!!! I don't think it could have been said any better.....or more
accurate.

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"Rap" alive and well on rec.boats!



basskisser wrote:

Deserve no response, huh?
Why did you respond?

Deserve no response, huh?
Did you or did you not killfile me?

Deserve no response, huh?
Did you or did you not just last week go around all holy acting telling
everyone to not post off topic, etc?

Deserve no response huh?
Do you really think that the "Bush administration" is just him, and his
immediate crime family?

Deserve no response huh?
I guess from someone who's only ability to debate is childish name
calling and petty insults, that'd be about right.

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Don White wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:
Don White wrote:

Bert Robbins wrote:

thunder wrote:

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:34:27 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


We have about 12 to 15 million people that want a better place to
live
than central America and I wonder why they have not just passed
through
the US to Canada?



What makes you think they aren't? Canada is more welcoming to the
migrant, with a net migration rate of 5.85 migrants/1000. This is
opposed to the U.S. rate of 3.18/1000. As with most First World
nations,
Canada uses immigration to maintain a growing economy. Canada also
has a considerable illegal migrant issue. The difference is
they make it easier for the illegal to become legal than we do.



How many unskilled persons have been allowed to immigrate into
Canada within the last 25 years? Remember, I said unskilled persons
have been allowed to immigrate into Canada? Allowing wealth people
from Asia and Europe doesn't count.


Go to Toronto and see who's immigrating.


My next trip to Canada will be to visit Quebec City.


You'd better leave your attitude home when you visit there. The
residents of that area can be much more sensitive than Montreal citizens.

I am one of the most friendly and easy going people you will ever meet.
If we were ever to meet and we didn't know who each other was we would
get along just fine.
But all of you sanctimonious assholes in this group are fun to **** off
and on.

The only problem I had in Montreal, when I visited on vacation a few
years ago was that I couldn't stop laughing every time I saw a guy
wearing Capri pants. I told my 14 yo nephew about it and he didn't
believe me. Then when we took him on our vacation to NH and MA last year
he saw a guy, obviously French, in Boston wearing Capri pants he
apologized for not believing me.

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Bert Robbins wrote:
Don White wrote:

Bert Robbins wrote:

Don White wrote:

Bert Robbins wrote:

thunder wrote:

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:34:27 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


We have about 12 to 15 million people that want a better place to
live
than central America and I wonder why they have not just passed
through
the US to Canada?




What makes you think they aren't? Canada is more welcoming to the
migrant, with a net migration rate of 5.85 migrants/1000. This is
opposed to the U.S. rate of 3.18/1000. As with most First World
nations,
Canada uses immigration to maintain a growing economy. Canada also
has a considerable illegal migrant issue. The difference is
they make it easier for the illegal to become legal than we do.




How many unskilled persons have been allowed to immigrate into
Canada within the last 25 years? Remember, I said unskilled persons
have been allowed to immigrate into Canada? Allowing wealth people
from Asia and Europe doesn't count.


Go to Toronto and see who's immigrating.



My next trip to Canada will be to visit Quebec City.


You'd better leave your attitude home when you visit there. The
residents of that area can be much more sensitive than Montreal citizens.


I am one of the most friendly and easy going people you will ever meet.
If we were ever to meet and we didn't know who each other was we would
get along just fine.
But all of you sanctimonious assholes in this group are fun to **** off
and on.

** as mentioned above **

The only problem I had in Montreal, when I visited on vacation a few
years ago was that I couldn't stop laughing every time I saw a guy
wearing Capri pants. I told my 14 yo nephew about it and he didn't
believe me. Then when we took him on our vacation to NH and MA last year
he saw a guy, obviously French, in Boston wearing Capri pants he
apologized for not believing me.