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At the time .... yes. It was a duty, not a choice.

RCE


I guess this describes what I see as duty:

"To be a patriot, one had to say, and keep on saying, " Our country,
right or wrong," and urge on the little war. Have you not perceived that
that phrase is an insult to the nation?"
-- Mark Twain, Glances at History

I believe it's treasonous to go along with the mob when the mob is wrong.


It isn't that black and white. Most of Congress, both sides, originally
voted for the invasion of Iraq. The Vietnam War started as a noble cause.

Can you imagine a country where a serious call to arms is met with
individual decisions to respond or not, based on their approval or
disapproval of the cause?

RCE

You're suggesting that because Congress (aka "a bunch of self serving
scumbags") thinks something's a good idea, I should, too? Unbelievable. I'm
thankful that I'm above being a sheep. As far as "a call to arms", that's
too general a statement. Psychiatrists have numerous terms for those who are
OK with killing people for no good reason. Psychopath is one of them. As I
explained earlier, I doubt that many people couldn't see that after Pearl
Harbor and Hitler's expansion, something needed to be done. And, there was a
president who didn't make it a hobby to insult peoples' intelligence.

Every war is different.

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http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/natio...ers040908.html
What's your point?
If they helped bring that war to an early close shouldn't
they be honoured?

Honoring cowardly acts is not the American way. I'm
surprised that Canada feels differently.
Do you think they were all cowards?
Pretty much.

Oh yeah....
re "Honoring cowardly acts is not the American way."
Do I dare point out that your current president hid from
service?

What branch of your military did you serve in?



Bert, Bert, Bert...get off your high horse. You never served in a
shooting war.

Never said I was in any action. However, I was available to be a
bullet catcher when the phone rang and I needed to be at the
assembly point within hours.

What branch of the military did you serve in, Harry?
Excellent question


Why does it matter? New rules? Nobody can talk about this if they
haven't served?

I thought it was a fair question since Harry was belittling Bert's
service. Talk all you want Doug. It's a free country. Justify the
actions of draft dodgers if you want. Your freedom has been secured
by the millions who have helped to defend this country and make it
free.

If we were faced with something like WWII, I'd the lined up waiting
for my short haircut, just like you. But, you know as well as I do
that some military actions are done solely for political, personal, or
pathological reasons. The Spanish-American war, the Vietnam war, and
the current Viagra substitute in Iraq are all in this category. If
some people believe it's noble to serve even when the reasons are
pathetic, they are free to do so. But, not me.

Do you choose to obey only the laws that you support?

I do actual work to change them, if possible. Since that takes forever,
I selectively break the law, as long as it affects nobody else. You do
the same.

The person that filled your slot may have been killed in action. I'd say
he may have been affected by your decision to break the law.


Actually, I didn't break the law. I didn't get called up. However, I
would've gone to prison before I would've served.

Well, that's to your credit; I guess.

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Actually, I didn't break the law. I didn't get called up. However, I
would've gone to prison before I would've served.

Well, that's to your credit; I guess.

Yeah. I stand behind my convictions, unlike the empty head in the White
House at the moment. Now, what about the question you pretended not to see?
In what year did you figure out that the Vietnam war was a sham?

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Actually, I didn't break the law. I didn't get called up. However, I
would've gone to prison before I would've served.

Well, that's to your credit; I guess.

Yeah. I stand behind my convictions, unlike the empty head in the White
House at the moment. Now, what about the question you pretended not to
see? In what year did you figure out that the Vietnam war was a sham?

No comment.

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Actually, I didn't break the law. I didn't get called up. However, I
would've gone to prison before I would've served.

Well, that's to your credit; I guess.

Yeah. I stand behind my convictions, unlike the empty head in the White
House at the moment. Now, what about the question you pretended not to
see? In what year did you figure out that the Vietnam war was a sham?

No comment.


Coward.

Don White wrote:
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What branch of your military did you serve in?

I greased and stroked the big artillery guns...I polished my commanders
brass buttons so I could stay close to home and out of danger..
Hold on... that was someone else...not me!

Just as I thought. You think so little of what others sacrificed so that
you can live your easy life.

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What's your point?
If they helped bring that war to an early close shouldn't they be
honoured?
Honoring cowardly acts is not the American way. I'm surprised that Canada
feels differently.

Cowardice had nothing to do with it. People went because they had the
balls to stand up to their political, religious and personal
convictions. They didn't like the reasoning for the war, realized it
was absurd that we were there, and didn't just lemming-like join
because everyone tells them that it's honorable to your country to go
kill a bunch of innocent people.

They could have gone to jail like Muhammad Ali. Instead they ran as fast
as they could to Canada to hide.

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What branch of your military did you serve in?

I greased and stroked the big artillery guns...I polished my commanders
brass buttons so I could stay close to home and out of danger..
Hold on... that was someone else...not me!

Just as I thought. You think so little of what others sacrificed so that
you can live your easy life.


What did your president sacrifice? A few beers?

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JIMinFL wrote:


http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/natio...ers040908.html
What's your point?
If they helped bring that war to an early close shouldn't they be
honoured?
Honoring cowardly acts is not the American way. I'm surprised that
Canada feels differently.
Do you think they were all cowards?
Pretty much.

Oh yeah....
re "Honoring cowardly acts is not the American way."
Do I dare point out that your current president hid from service?
What branch of your military did you serve in?


Bert, Bert, Bert...get off your high horse. You never served in a
shooting war.
Never said I was in any action. However, I was available to be a bullet
catcher when the phone rang and I needed to be at the assembly point
within hours.

What branch of the military did you serve in, Harry?
Excellent question


Why does it matter? New rules? Nobody can talk about this if they haven't
served?

It has nothing to do with talking, everybody can do that with exception
to those that can't physically talk.

If somebody asks a medical questions and you respond with an answer. Are
they entitled to know if you are medical professional and at what level?

Opinions can have weight and that weight is in direct proportion to the
the education and experience of the person giving the opinion.

Would you let the guy taking his first auto mechanics class rebuild your
car's engine? Do you want your doctor's first surgery to be the one he
performs on you?

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I have a question for you. Is it possible that today, you might know
something I don't, and that a year from now, I might also know the same
thing?

Yes


Great! The suits who invented the domino theory knew by the late 1960s that
it was nonsense, and that's what the entire war was based on. All presidents
are the target of various so-called scholars and shmexperts. Many of us
figured out early on that the North Vietnamese were not going to burn their
way through the south and invade Australia next. Do you remember this
nonsense?

You are intellectually dishonest.

Someone knew something before you did, in other words.