On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:28:00 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:


Anyone familiar with allofmymp3.com?

It appears to be a Russian-based service where music may be downloaded
for small sums of money, especially when compared to Apple's iTunes or
Napster.

Well, it's legal in Canada (so's Napster and other ptp networks). Sound
quality is good, but the selection isn't the greatest, especially for
"less than popular" cuts.

Lloyd Sumpter

On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 21:00:46 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:28:00 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

Anyone familiar with allofmymp3.com?

It appears to be a Russian-based service where music may be downloaded
for small sums of money, especially when compared to Apple's iTunes or
Napster.

Well, it's legal in Canada (so's Napster and other ptp networks). Sound
quality is good, but the selection isn't the greatest, especially for
"less than popular" cuts.

Lloyd Sumpter



Thanks. The "new" Napster isn;t compatible with my portable player, but
I checked it out and it also charges about 99 cents a "tune," just like
Apple's iTunes.

Here's one that charges less than a dollar per *month*. Unlimited
downloads. Must be Russian. Must be bootlegs.
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'Til next time,

John H

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On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 21:00:46 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:28:00 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

Anyone familiar with allofmymp3.com?

It appears to be a Russian-based service where music may be downloaded
for small sums of money, especially when compared to Apple's iTunes or
Napster.

Well, it's legal in Canada (so's Napster and other ptp networks). Sound
quality is good, but the selection isn't the greatest, especially for
"less than popular" cuts.

Lloyd Sumpter



Thanks. The "new" Napster isn;t compatible with my portable player, but
I checked it out and it also charges about 99 cents a "tune," just like
Apple's iTunes.

A little more info for you:

http://www.onlinereporter.com/TORbac...0to%20 Russia
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Copyright Enforcement Comes to Russia

Russian authorities are reportedly investigating the Russian Web site
Allofmymp3.com for selling downloadable digital copies of copyrighted music
illegally. The site's principles are believed to be offering the music both
in Russia and internationally without the authorization of the rights
holders. The Computer Crimes unit of Moscow City Police, which was doing
the investigation, turned the investigation's report over to Moscow's City
Prosecutor's office on February 8.

The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI), on behalf
of its members, also submitted a formal complaint to the prosecutor's
office on the same day, urging prosecution. The prosecutor has 30 days from
the date of receiving evidence to decide whether to proceed with a criminal
prosecution.

IFPI's complaint alleges that Allofmp3.com has not been licensed to
distribute its members' repertoire in Russia or internationally. IFPI
Moscow regional director Igor Pozhitkov said, "We have consistently said
that Allofmp3.com is not licensed to distribute our members' repertoire in
Russia or anywhere else. We are pleased that the police are bringing this
important case to the attention of the prosecutor. We very much hope and
expect that the prosecutor will proceed with this case, which involves the
sale and digital distribution of copyrighted music without the consent or
authorization of the rights holders."

IFPI, headquartered in London, has a regional office in Moscow plus others
in Brussels, Hong Kong and Miami. The Miami office covers Central and South
America. The organization has 1,450 members in 75 countries and affiliated
industry associations in 48 countries. Back to Headlines
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There, now you know.
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'Til next time,

John H

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***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
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On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:38:23 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 21:00:46 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:28:00 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

Anyone familiar with allofmymp3.com?

It appears to be a Russian-based service where music may be downloaded
for small sums of money, especially when compared to Apple's iTunes or
Napster.
Well, it's legal in Canada (so's Napster and other ptp networks). Sound
quality is good, but the selection isn't the greatest, especially for
"less than popular" cuts.

Lloyd Sumpter


Thanks. The "new" Napster isn;t compatible with my portable player, but
I checked it out and it also charges about 99 cents a "tune," just like
Apple's iTunes.

A little more info for you:

http://www.onlinereporter.com/TORbac...0to%20 Russia
*******************************************
Copyright Enforcement Comes to Russia

Russian authorities are reportedly investigating the Russian Web site
Allofmymp3.com for selling downloadable digital copies of copyrighted music
illegally. The site's principles are believed to be offering the music both
in Russia and internationally without the authorization of the rights
holders. The Computer Crimes unit of Moscow City Police, which was doing
the investigation, turned the investigation's report over to Moscow's City
Prosecutor's office on February 8.

The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI), on behalf
of its members, also submitted a formal complaint to the prosecutor's
office on the same day, urging prosecution. The prosecutor has 30 days from
the date of receiving evidence to decide whether to proceed with a criminal
prosecution.

IFPI's complaint alleges that Allofmp3.com has not been licensed to
distribute its members' repertoire in Russia or internationally. IFPI
Moscow regional director Igor Pozhitkov said, "We have consistently said
that Allofmp3.com is not licensed to distribute our members' repertoire in
Russia or anywhere else. We are pleased that the police are bringing this
important case to the attention of the prosecutor. We very much hope and
expect that the prosecutor will proceed with this case, which involves the
sale and digital distribution of copyrighted music without the consent or
authorization of the rights holders."

IFPI, headquartered in London, has a regional office in Moscow plus others
in Brussels, Hong Kong and Miami. The Miami office covers Central and South
America. The organization has 1,450 members in 75 countries and affiliated
industry associations in 48 countries. Back to Headlines
*********************************************

There, now you know.
--
'Til next time,

John H


Know what, that a cut-rate music service is under investigation? News, eh?

Yes!

We'll see what the Moscow authorities do. I've not heard of the IFPI. It
looks like it is an organization that doesn't actually produce anything
other than lawsuits and support for spyware like SONY's DRM.

What the music industry needs is a copyright pricing structure that
fairly compensates the actual producers of music AND doesn't rip off
consumers of that product...and they don't have it yet.

If you believe that the sale and purchase of bootlegged material is the way
to get your retribution for the industry's pricing structure, go for it.

If, as you say, there are only two or three songs on a CD that you like,
pay the $3 to a legitimate outfit (Napster, for example) and buy the songs.
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'Til next time,

John H

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***** Have a Spectacular Day! *****
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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What the music industry needs is a copyright pricing structure that fairly
compensates the actual producers of music AND doesn't rip off consumers of
that product...and they don't have it yet.

One of the reasons midi sequencers like myself stopped sharing some files on
the 'net is because of the threat of lawsuits. Actually, not threats, but
real litigation in some cases that shut down most sites that featured midi
files. Midi files are not music recordings like mp3s or .wav files. They
are a series of instructions to a sound board, card or instrument that can
receive midi instructions. The sound card or instrument then plays the
sequence using it's own, on board voices.

Royalty collectors like ASCAP and BMI quickly (and perhaps correctly,
depending on your personal feelings on the subject) started to threaten web
site owners that had midi files of popular music considered to be subject to
copyright protection. Even though it was not technically a recording or
performance by a musician, the fact that someone sequenced a series of
instructions for a midi compatible instrument to reproduce, they claimed
copyright infringement. Original, copyright free compositions are
encouraged of course and often stolen as a basis for new music by
songwriters in the industry.

RCE

"RCE" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..

What the music industry needs is a copyright pricing structure that
fairly compensates the actual producers of music AND doesn't rip off
consumers of that product...and they don't have it yet.

One of the reasons midi sequencers like myself stopped sharing some files
on the 'net is because of the threat of lawsuits. Actually, not threats,
but real litigation in some cases that shut down most sites that featured
midi files. Midi files are not music recordings like mp3s or .wav files.
They are a series of instructions to a sound board, card or instrument
that can receive midi instructions. The sound card or instrument then
plays the sequence using it's own, on board voices.

Royalty collectors like ASCAP and BMI quickly (and perhaps correctly,
depending on your personal feelings on the subject) started to threaten
web site owners that had midi files of popular music considered to be
subject to copyright protection. Even though it was not technically a
recording or performance by a musician, the fact that someone sequenced a
series of instructions for a midi compatible instrument to reproduce, they
claimed copyright infringement. Original, copyright free compositions
are encouraged of course and often stolen as a basis for new music by
songwriters in the industry.

RCE




I don't recall whether it's BMI or ASCAP, but one of them collects fees from
bar owners who include karioke in their activities. Unbelievable.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
RCE wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
What the music industry needs is a copyright pricing structure that
fairly compensates the actual producers of music AND doesn't rip off
consumers of that product...and they don't have it yet.

One of the reasons midi sequencers like myself stopped sharing some files
on the 'net is because of the threat of lawsuits. Actually, not threats,
but real litigation in some cases that shut down most sites that featured
midi files. Midi files are not music recordings like mp3s or .wav files.
They are a series of instructions to a sound board, card or instrument
that can receive midi instructions. The sound card or instrument then
plays the sequence using it's own, on board voices.

Royalty collectors like ASCAP and BMI quickly (and perhaps correctly,
depending on your personal feelings on the subject) started to threaten
web site owners that had midi files of popular music considered to be
subject to copyright protection. Even though it was not technically a
recording or performance by a musician, the fact that someone sequenced a
series of instructions for a midi compatible instrument to reproduce,
they claimed copyright infringement. Original, copyright free
compositions are encouraged of course and often stolen as a basis for new
music by songwriters in the industry.

RCE





Sheesh.

Well, most of the music I like was written by guys who have been dead for
more than 100 years, so I assume any MIDI sequencers who code it are
beyond the reach of the ASCAP liars, er, lawyers.

My understanding, based on really limited info, is that iTunes forks over
70 cents of each 99 cents collected, to the "owner" of the tune. That's
waaaaay too high. A dime is more like it, with a nickel on top of that for
administration, and a nickel on top of that for Apple's profit...twenty to
twenty-five cents a tune is sufficient.


What a silly thing to say. How do you know what's "way too high"? Based on
what?

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"RCE" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..

What the music industry needs is a copyright pricing structure that
fairly compensates the actual producers of music AND doesn't rip off
consumers of that product...and they don't have it yet.

One of the reasons midi sequencers like myself stopped sharing some files
on the 'net is because of the threat of lawsuits. Actually, not threats,
but real litigation in some cases that shut down most sites that featured
midi files. Midi files are not music recordings like mp3s or .wav files.
They are a series of instructions to a sound board, card or instrument
that can receive midi instructions. The sound card or instrument then
plays the sequence using it's own, on board voices.

Royalty collectors like ASCAP and BMI quickly (and perhaps correctly,
depending on your personal feelings on the subject) started to threaten
web site owners that had midi files of popular music considered to be
subject to copyright protection. Even though it was not technically a
recording or performance by a musician, the fact that someone sequenced a
series of instructions for a midi compatible instrument to reproduce,
they claimed copyright infringement. Original, copyright free
compositions are encouraged of course and often stolen as a basis for new
music by songwriters in the industry.

RCE




I don't recall whether it's BMI or ASCAP, but one of them collects fees
from bar owners who include karioke in their activities. Unbelievable.


Every establishment that has live music entertainment must have a license
for the various musicians to perform copyright protected music. Applies to
professional entertainment by paid bands or amateurs like Karaoke bars. To
simplify matters, the lounge, restaurant, bar or whatever pays a fixed fee,
(not cheap) to give them a blanket license for 6 months or a year. My late
dad played trombone in a Dixieland style swing band was shocked one day to
find out his band was illegally playing some music still covered by
copyrights. They got caught at a outside music festival in Plymouth, MA.

RCE

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
Doug Kanter wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
RCE wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
What the music industry needs is a copyright pricing structure that
fairly compensates the actual producers of music AND doesn't rip off
consumers of that product...and they don't have it yet.
One of the reasons midi sequencers like myself stopped sharing some
files on the 'net is because of the threat of lawsuits. Actually, not
threats, but real litigation in some cases that shut down most sites
that featured midi files. Midi files are not music recordings like
mp3s or .wav files. They are a series of instructions to a sound board,
card or instrument that can receive midi instructions. The sound card
or instrument then plays the sequence using it's own, on board voices.

Royalty collectors like ASCAP and BMI quickly (and perhaps correctly,
depending on your personal feelings on the subject) started to
threaten web site owners that had midi files of popular music
considered to be subject to copyright protection. Even though it was
not technically a recording or performance by a musician, the fact that
someone sequenced a series of instructions for a midi compatible
instrument to reproduce, they claimed copyright infringement.
Original, copyright free compositions are encouraged of course and
often stolen as a basis for new music by songwriters in the industry.

RCE




Sheesh.

Well, most of the music I like was written by guys who have been dead
for more than 100 years, so I assume any MIDI sequencers who code it are
beyond the reach of the ASCAP liars, er, lawyers.

My understanding, based on really limited info, is that iTunes forks
over 70 cents of each 99 cents collected, to the "owner" of the tune.
That's waaaaay too high. A dime is more like it, with a nickel on top of
that for administration, and a nickel on top of that for Apple's
profit...twenty to twenty-five cents a tune is sufficient.


What a silly thing to say. How do you know what's "way too high"? Based
on what?


IF a CD has 12 tunes on it, and the royalty is 70 cents a tune, that's
what, $8.40 in royalties for a CD download? Any bets that on a CD selling
for $12.00 at a store, the artist is getting 75% of that? If the typical
hardcover novel is selling for $25 these days, how much of that do you
think the typical author receives? And I know it costs more to physically
produce a book than a CD, but even so, a typical author's deal might work
out to a buck or two a book, maybe a bit more for a proven best-seller
type author, and even more for a major leaguer. But nothing approaching
70% of gross selling price.




I have absolutely no idea about any of these numbers, and how they filter
down to the artists (writer, performer, band members, etc). Neither do you.
So, I choose not to engage in any conjecture.

Doug Kanter wrote:
"RCE" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..

What the music industry needs is a copyright pricing structure that
fairly compensates the actual producers of music AND doesn't rip off
consumers of that product...and they don't have it yet.

One of the reasons midi sequencers like myself stopped sharing some files
on the 'net is because of the threat of lawsuits. Actually, not threats,
but real litigation in some cases that shut down most sites that featured
midi files. Midi files are not music recordings like mp3s or .wav files.
They are a series of instructions to a sound board, card or instrument
that can receive midi instructions. The sound card or instrument then
plays the sequence using it's own, on board voices.

Royalty collectors like ASCAP and BMI quickly (and perhaps correctly,
depending on your personal feelings on the subject) started to threaten
web site owners that had midi files of popular music considered to be
subject to copyright protection. Even though it was not technically a
recording or performance by a musician, the fact that someone sequenced a
series of instructions for a midi compatible instrument to reproduce, they
claimed copyright infringement. Original, copyright free compositions
are encouraged of course and often stolen as a basis for new music by
songwriters in the industry.

RCE




I don't recall whether it's BMI or ASCAP, but one of them collects fees from
bar owners who include karioke in their activities. Unbelievable.

Most Karaoke formats now get around some copyright issues in a unique
kind of way. When a song comes up, let's say, "I'm Going Straight to
Hell" by Drivin' and Cryin' the credits on the screen will say Played
in the style of "I'm Going Straight to Hell". This takes care of some
legalities as far as copyright, but I know that ASCAP still collects
from the owners. If you are ever down around Naples, NY, and hit the
Naples Hotel bar for a beer, and there is karaoke there, the guy that
owns the system is Pat, and his wife Sissy. He's the karaoke king of
the area.