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a bystanders view on the us noise that is made here

On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:16:48 +0000, NOYB wrote:

Oh, Carter left his mark alright! We have the current situtation in Iran
to thank Carter for.

LOL With all of Bush's talk about democracy blooming in the middle east,
perhaps, the Iranians remember when they were once a democracy.

http://www.angelfire.com/home/iran/1953coup.html

The seeds of anti-American sentiment were sown way before Carter ever
entered the picture. Also, don't forget Reagan's duplicity arming both
sides in the Iran-Iraq War. Remember Iran Contra? When it comes to
problems with Iran, Carter's ineffectiveness is way down the list of
causes.

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"Len" wrote in message
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:06:15 -0500, Skipper wrote:

Len wrote:

But tell me, what was wrong with the series of facts I summed up?

Gorby spoke in lindsborg today. He does not agree with your Reagan
conclusions.

I predicted and explained that in a previous message.
Grobatsjow is a civilised, well mannered man.

Regards, Len.

Seeing that you are a fan of Socialist governments, why do your opinions of
Gorbi not surprise me.

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"Len" wrote in message
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:31:44 -0400, " *JimH*" wrote:

Care to support your claims with some proof?
Just because you say so does not make it fact.

(Yawn)
Jim, you act like a boring child repeating a senseless question.
But the fact you're accompanied by so many alikes makes it necessary
to go on....
These aren't just claims or statements, they are facts.
You can look 'm up....

I'll try to enlighten you (mission impossible iii)
What is a fact?
Gorbatsjov was the person who had the right intentions up front and
grabbed his chance to stop a dynasty of dictators and reform with all
respect due to human values. He luckily had the chance during the last
days of a "week" man like tsjernenkov.
Whatever president of he us, Eastern Europe would have changed like it
did.

I'll also tell you what a (dumb and manipulative) statement is.
The statement that "it was Reagan who had scared the russian crooks so
bad that Gornatsjov had no choice but to abandon the reign of evil and
become friends with the great world leader".
My goodness, this is funny.... And to know that there are people who
actually believe that.... Alzheimer kicks in hard and early I
guess.... ....

You want facts?

Fact: Reagan inherited an economy from Carter with double digit inflation,
double digit interest rates and gas shortages.

Fact: Ronald Reagan's tax cuts resulted in a financial boom with government
revenue substantially increasing during his 2 terms.

Fact: Reagan cut federal spending as a share of the GDP almost 1% during
his 2 terms.

Fact: Reagan is the only president in the last forty years to cut
inflation-adjusted non-defense outlays, which fell by 9.7 percent during his
first term.

Fact: Reagan cut the budget of 8 agencies out of 15 during his first term
and the budget of 10 out of 15 during his second term.

Fact: Reagan brought the USSR to its feet (financially) with them trying to
compete with our Strategic Defense Initiative and a continued space program.
This was one factor in bringing out the collapse of the USSR.

Fact: Reagan was one of the most popular US Presidents in history, getting
525 of 538 electoral votes and 59% of the popular votes in the 1984
election.

How about 'dem apples Len?

And all done without an attack on you or an insult to you.

Now come back once you learn to play nice.

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"P. Fritz" wrote:

The liebrals would have preferred the epitome of inconpetence Jimmy
Carter to have remained in office.

Anyone remember what Carter's approval rating was among Dumbocrats when
he left office? Anyone know what that rating was among real Americans
with *traditional* values?

--
Skipper

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Len wrote:

Goooooooodmorning America.....

Skipper wrote:

The US saved your collective asses a few year back and many of us find
europeans ungrateful hypocrites today, unwilling to payback.

When America finally decided to enter the war it wasn't to save my
ass, or my parents' asses. America was even a bit slow to realize it

As previously stated, many Europeans are ungrateful hypocrites.

Skipper, don't you see how ridiculous you sound when you say america
"owns" europe cause of ww2?

Where did I state America owns europe? Are you fabricating here?

are you by any chance an NRA-adept too?

No, I'm not currently a member of the NRA. I let my membership lapse
years ago. However, I do have the freedom to shoot and have a pretty
good collection of black powder and smokeless firearms, as well as shot
and metal cartridge reloading equipment. We may well go out this
afternoon for a couple rounds of sporting clays. ...and you?

We also have too many Looney Lefters, but they are held in
check and given no real say in things (however, they do bitch a lot). We
do have a great many more freedoms than you enjoy.

Oh I know about your "freedom" to buy arms, to pollute, to ignore
suffering in cities, to ignore people dieing in the street cause they
can't afford medical care, and all the time you're free to say anyone
can become a Bill Gates.

Oh, I bet you do. You're a very "knowing" guy.

Your freedom to start wars unilaterally, to get a grip on oil, to lock
people up without trial, to tell other parts of the world what to do.
And when people don't THANK you for it and take over your "philosophy"
you're offended..... Man, how dumb can you get...

Yep, we're a pretty dumb lot.

BTW, fueled up at $2.04 gallon this morning. What's a brilliant fellow
like you paying?

History will record Reagan as the greatest leader in his time. We ALL
respect Gorby, but unfortunately, history will record his administration and
form of communism as failures.

Dream on...

Are you a realist or a Looney Lefter?

--
Skipper

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Len wrote:

*JimH*" wrote:

Care to support your claims with some proof?
Just because you say so does not make it fact.

(Yawn)

Hey, you Looney Lefters should try to stay awake in class.

Jim, you act like a boring child repeating a senseless question.
But the fact you're accompanied by so many alikes makes it necessary
to go on....

Jim has his head screwed on pretty tight. You...well let's just say the
head is....

These aren't just claims or statements, they are facts.
You can look 'm up....

Most of your "facts" are pure fiction...or as we say over here, "money
talks, bull**** walks." Enjoy your walk, my friend.

--
Skipper

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*JimH* wrote:
You want facts?

Fact: Reagan inherited an economy from Carter with double digit inflation,
double digit interest rates and gas shortages.

Fact: Ronald Reagan's tax cuts resulted in a financial boom with government
revenue substantially increasing during his 2 terms.

Fact: Reagan cut federal spending as a share of the GDP almost 1% during
his 2 terms.

Fact: Reagan is the only president in the last forty years to cut
inflation-adjusted non-defense outlays, which fell by 9.7 percent during his
first term.

Fact: Reagan cut the budget of 8 agencies out of 15 during his first term
and the budget of 10 out of 15 during his second term.

Fact: Reagan brought the USSR to its feet (financially) with them trying to
compete with our Strategic Defense Initiative and a continued space program.
This was one factor in bringing out the collapse of the USSR.

Fact: Reagan was one of the most popular US Presidents in history, getting
525 of 538 electoral votes and 59% of the popular votes in the 1984
election.

How about 'dem apples Len?

Job well done!

--
Skipper

a bystanders view on the us noise that is made here

On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:30:04 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote:

Not once did I flame you during our brief exchange. You did, yet had the
gall to previously call us on the carpet for our behavior.
Not nice Lenny.

Well, i don't think saying one act's like a boring child when the same
statement is repeatedly posed is much different from saying looney
lefts or bull**** when one has made a serious remark.
You can't blame me for seeing that as the normal level of "intensity"
in this group.
What you can say is I don't keep books with what everybody
individually has been saying but I think that is a bit too much to
ask.
But as you're hurt that easily, please accept my apologies...

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"Len" wrote in message
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On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:30:04 -0500, " *JimH*" wrote:

Not once did I flame you during our brief exchange. You did, yet had the
gall to previously call us on the carpet for our behavior.
Not nice Lenny.

Well, i don't think saying one act's like a boring child when the same
statement is repeatedly posed is much different from saying looney
lefts or bull**** when one has made a serious remark.
You can't blame me for seeing that as the normal level of "intensity"
in this group.
What you can say is I don't keep books with what everybody
individually has been saying but I think that is a bit too much to
ask.
But as you're hurt that easily, please accept my apologies...

Len, I do not think that a lot of the Americans on this newsgroup can
comprehend what an "Ugly American" really is. They look into the mirror and
only see a reflection of what they want to see.

Jim