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a bystanders view on the us noise that is made here
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a bystanders view on the us noise that is made here
Goooooooodmorning America.....
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:03:42 -0500, Skipper wrote: The US saved your collective asses a few year back and many of us find europeans ungrateful hypocrites today, unwilling to payback. When America finally decided to enter the war it wasn't to save my ass, or my parents' asses. America was even a bit slow to realize it would be confronted with what I would call an evil empire.... So don't blah blah me with "I saved your ass". Did you even participate? As what? Skipper, don't you see how ridiculous you sound when you say america "owns" europe cause of ww2? But let's talk "Skipperian": You are being repaid by the present dollar/euro ratio. Further, your governments are engaging in socialist madness, a concept freedom loving Americans find an abomination. Gimme facts... this is just an opinion, imo based on ignorance. There are very few socialists left since eastern europe was liberated, and I do applaud to that. The discussion has changed, dear skipper, and is about what are governemnt tasks, how to organize them and what are not. But that is a discussion filled with nuances and the need to really think and give real arguments. I get the impression you aren't equipped for that kind of discussion. I am still in doubt if you could but just wouldn't participate or if you lack the ability alltogether. Capitalism works best with controlled responsible government. Agreed, but it's all about the measure of control the government maintains. I for one see things you can't leave to the market cause they have too much connection with bare sustenance. Energy, Environment, Peacekeeping (are you by any chance an NRA-adept too?) But you asked what was wrong with America. Well, we currently have open borders. Too many illegal aliens are pouring into the US because it offers the best economic opportunity in the world and free medical care for illegals. A sound policy in helping these countries to develop is what I call "the rich worlds burdon". But the us sticks to tariffs, aiding criminal dictators to keep stability and so on. We also have too many Looney Lefters, but they are held in check and given no real say in things (however, they do bitch a lot). We do have a great many more freedoms than you enjoy. Oh I know about your "freedom" to buy arms, to pollute, to ignore suffering in cities, to ignore people dieing in the street cause they can't afford medical care, and all the time you're free to say anyone can become a Bill Gates. Your freedom to start wars unilaterally, to get a grip on oil, to lock people up without trial, to tell other parts of the world what to do. And when people don't THANK you for it and take over your "philosophy" you're offended..... Man, how dumb can you get... History will record Reagan as the greatest leader in his time. We ALL respect Gorby, but unfortunately, history will record his administration form of communism as failures. Dream on... |
a bystanders view on the us noise that is made here
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:06:15 -0500, Skipper wrote:
Len wrote: But tell me, what was wrong with the series of facts I summed up? Gorby spoke in lindsborg today. He does not agree with your Reagan conclusions. I predicted and explained that in a previous message. Grobatsjow is a civilised, well mannered man. Regards, Len. |
a bystanders view on the us noise that is made here
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 05:08:00 GMT, "JAS" wrote:
Hi Len, You must be really happy to live somewhere where it doesn't matter what you think. I know I am. I think living in the free world is not the same as having to speak rep talk; be xenophobic; just worry about your own well being and call any other initiative socialist madness; just deny any sign of negative consequences of your behaviour; etc etc. Regards, Len. |
a bystanders view on the us noise that is made here
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:31:44 -0400, " *JimH*" wrote:
Care to support your claims with some proof? Just because you say so does not make it fact. (Yawn) Jim, you act like a boring child repeating a senseless question. But the fact you're accompanied by so many alikes makes it necessary to go on.... These aren't just claims or statements, they are facts. You can look 'm up.... I'll try to enlighten you (mission impossible iii) What is a fact? Gorbatsjov was the person who had the right intentions up front and grabbed his chance to stop a dynasty of dictators and reform with all respect due to human values. He luckily had the chance during the last days of a "week" man like tsjernenkov. Whatever president of he us, Eastern Europe would have changed like it did. I'll also tell you what a (dumb and manipulative) statement is. The statement that "it was Reagan who had scared the russian crooks so bad that Gornatsjov had no choice but to abandon the reign of evil and become friends with the great world leader". My goodness, this is funny.... And to know that there are people who actually believe that.... Alzheimer kicks in hard and early I guess.... .... |
a bystanders view on the us noise that is made here
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 23:19:59 -0500, Skipper wrote:
Not fact, but a barking dog's Looney Left *opinion*. Now that is a strong argument More Leftist lunacy. Now that is a strong argument That "overspending" brought the Cold War to an end. The Soviet Union came to the realization that they could no longer to compete. Have you seen those rusting hulks in their harbors and airports? You extensively overestimate the us influence here (a frightening lot of americans have that tendency as I have noticed). Obviously the system of planned economy was flawed. My father had commercial connections with russia and one time he returned from a business trip with a marvellous story. A director of a screwdriver-factory had become hero of the USSR cause he had met the tasks he was given: process x tonnes of steel and y tonnes of plastic in 1 year time. He had succeeded by producing screwdrivers of 7 feet long..... Now, do you really think the russians needed Reagan and his ridiculous star wars plans to see they had to alter things badly? You must be a believer in Keynesian economics. You'd be better served to read the brilliant works of Milton Friedman, recipient of the 1976 Nobel Prize for economic science. It's done before, using a neutral scientists name to cover ones own scemes. And could you elaborate on the brilliancy of Friedmans work yourself? You must be a believer in the economics of liberal stagflation. All I say is when you spend money, you will have to collect it, not push the debt forward to next generations, that's pure theft. The rich always become richer...it's a law of nature, like death and taxes. When there's people thinking like you pulling the strings, you're probably right. But that doesn't alter the fact that it is a disappointingly low standard in civilisation, particularly when people start to treat it like a given certainty. |
a bystanders view on the us noise that is made here
Gorby was definitely a unique leader with outstanding vision, especially
when you consider Russian history. "Len" wrote in message ... On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:31:44 -0400, " *JimH*" wrote: Care to support your claims with some proof? Just because you say so does not make it fact. (Yawn) Jim, you act like a boring child repeating a senseless question. But the fact you're accompanied by so many alikes makes it necessary to go on.... These aren't just claims or statements, they are facts. You can look 'm up.... I'll try to enlighten you (mission impossible iii) What is a fact? Gorbatsjov was the person who had the right intentions up front and grabbed his chance to stop a dynasty of dictators and reform with all respect due to human values. He luckily had the chance during the last days of a "week" man like tsjernenkov. Whatever president of he us, Eastern Europe would have changed like it did. I'll also tell you what a (dumb and manipulative) statement is. The statement that "it was Reagan who had scared the russian crooks so bad that Gornatsjov had no choice but to abandon the reign of evil and become friends with the great world leader". My goodness, this is funny.... And to know that there are people who actually believe that.... Alzheimer kicks in hard and early I guess.... .... |
a bystanders view on the us noise that is made here
NOYB,
I hope you are correct, but I think Bush will be remembered in a similar fashion as Carter, a well intentioned extremely ineffective leader. "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "thunder" wrote in message ... On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:18:25 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: Reagan was a simple-minded fool who on rare occasions could deliver lines someone else wrote. He mostly slept through his presidency. I don't think I'd argue your characterization. In may have been an accident of history, but you can't deny, there were some powerful, lasting changes during his administration. He may not have been the driver, but he was in the car. 20 years from now, somebody will be saying the same thing about Bush. |
a bystanders view on the us noise that is made here
"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "thunder" wrote in message ... On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:18:25 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: Reagan was a simple-minded fool who on rare occasions could deliver lines someone else wrote. He mostly slept through his presidency. I don't think I'd argue your characterization. In may have been an accident of history, but you can't deny, there were some powerful, lasting changes during his administration. He may not have been the driver, but he was in the car. 20 years from now, somebody will be saying the same thing about Bush. The liebrals would have preferred the epitome of inconpetence Jimmy Carter to have remained in office. |
a bystanders view on the us noise that is made here
"P. Fritz" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "thunder" wrote in message ... On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:18:25 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: Reagan was a simple-minded fool who on rare occasions could deliver lines someone else wrote. He mostly slept through his presidency. I don't think I'd argue your characterization. In may have been an accident of history, but you can't deny, there were some powerful, lasting changes during his administration. He may not have been the driver, but he was in the car. 20 years from now, somebody will be saying the same thing about Bush. The liebrals would have preferred the epitome of inconpetence Jimmy Carter to have remained in office. Oh, Carter left his mark alright! We have the current situtation in Iran to thank Carter for. |
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