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a bystanders view on the us noise that is made here
Hi, I live in Europe, in the Netherlands. Thought maybe some of you
would be interested in a bystanders view on the us noise that is made here... I thought I'd get info about boats when I joined this group a few weeks ago. But I got an education that was far more interesting. In the beginning that is, it was interesting to learn to understand the way of reasoning of rep'and lib's and the way the one would drive a bus through the others arguments. In the developed world I've never seen a country that devided like the us. Looks to me like the civil war was never ended but went on using other means. But I am glad this discussion is going on. And I am glad that a start is made in acknowleding that a lifestyle of godfearing self-sufficiency can easily become a caricature. It's very interesting to see the similarity between the rep's yelling "you're takin' down american values" and the muslim condemning one as infidel. I hope but don't expect that the US will stop its misplaced acting as a superior body. The power inside to make this happen is totally absent. And when I look at it in a reasonably pessimistic/realistic way, the americans who would be competent enough to rise above the fighting parties and could alter the situation would rather be found dead then become part of this ridiculously derailed tv-show thats is mistakingly seen as a political system. And.... You don't have to point out the mistakes Europe makes. We don't know how to fight like the us does, we have a clown for president in Italy, a bookkeeper in Holland, a ventrilloquists doll in Britain... We have difficulty becoming a union. We know that -in order to maintain a certain level of civilisation- we have a system in which we help the lesser priviliged and off course there will be some abuse of that system but we see that's simply a part of the costs of civilisation. We accept being just one of the parties in the world and we're not a purely selfish, manipulating superpower. But what do we see when we look over the pond? A country that rapidly alters from a dependable big brother with whom one could achieve rational solutions into an irrational schizophrene brother that more and more becomes a helpless part of the problem and in time may need to be isolated in a straightjacket. And this is just for starters. I haven't even mentioned the environment, the penalty court, the shortsightedness when it comes to achieving peace, the selfishness mistakingly referred to as selfsufficiency. I wouldn't dare to fly an american flag when cruising abroad and not because it poses a threat. Thanks for reading my rambling... Len |
a bystanders view on the us noise that is made here
"Len" wrote in message ... Hi, I live in Europe, in the Netherlands. Thought maybe some of you would be interested in a bystanders view on the us noise that is made here... .....................snip.................... I totaly agree with you Len. Here in Canada we also get a view of the USA that I am sure that the Americans themselves cannot see. Here is a little story for your amusement. It may help you understand. Once upon a time in the Kingdom of Heaven, God went missing for six days. Eventually, Michael, the archangel found him resting on the seventh day. He inquired if God, "Where have you been?" God sighed a deep sigh of satisfaction and proudly pointed downwards through the clouds. "Look Michael, look what I've made." Archangel Michael looked puzzled and said, "What is it?" "It's a planet" replied God. "And I've put LIFE on it. I'm going to call it Earth and it's going to be a great place of balance." "Balance?" inquired Michael, still confused. God explained pointing to different parts of Earth, "For example, Northern Europe will be a place of great opportunity and wealth, while Southern Europe is going to be poor; the Middle East over there will be a hot spot. Over there I've placed a continent of white people and over there is a continent of black people." God then continued pointing to different countries. "This one will be extremely hot and arid, while this one will be very cold and covered in ice." The Archangel impressed by Gods work pointed to a large land mass in the top corner and asked, "What's that one?" "Ah." said God. "That's Canada, the most glorious place n Earth. There are beautiful mountains, lakes, rivers, streams, and an exquisite coastline. The people from Canada are going to be modest, intelligent, and humorous and they're going to be found traveling the world. They'll be extremely sociable, hard working, high achieving, and they will be known as diplomats and carriers of peace. I'm also going to give them superhuman, undefeatable ice hockey players who will be admired and feared by all who come across them." Michael gasped in wonder and admiration, but then proclaimed, "What about balance, God. You said there will be BALANCE!" God replied wisely, "Wait until you see the loud-mouth *******s I'm putting next to them." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- |
a bystanders view on the us noise that is made here
Len,
It was interesting and informative to read your viewpoint. "Len" wrote in message ... Hi, I live in Europe, in the Netherlands. Thought maybe some of you would be interested in a bystanders view on the us noise that is made here... I thought I'd get info about boats when I joined this group a few weeks ago. But I got an education that was far more interesting. In the beginning that is, it was interesting to learn to understand the way of reasoning of rep'and lib's and the way the one would drive a bus through the others arguments. In the developed world I've never seen a country that devided like the us. Looks to me like the civil war was never ended but went on using other means. But I am glad this discussion is going on. And I am glad that a start is made in acknowleding that a lifestyle of godfearing self-sufficiency can easily become a caricature. It's very interesting to see the similarity between the rep's yelling "you're takin' down american values" and the muslim condemning one as infidel. I hope but don't expect that the US will stop its misplaced acting as a superior body. The power inside to make this happen is totally absent. And when I look at it in a reasonably pessimistic/realistic way, the americans who would be competent enough to rise above the fighting parties and could alter the situation would rather be found dead then become part of this ridiculously derailed tv-show thats is mistakingly seen as a political system. And.... You don't have to point out the mistakes Europe makes. We don't know how to fight like the us does, we have a clown for president in Italy, a bookkeeper in Holland, a ventrilloquists doll in Britain... We have difficulty becoming a union. We know that -in order to maintain a certain level of civilisation- we have a system in which we help the lesser priviliged and off course there will be some abuse of that system but we see that's simply a part of the costs of civilisation. We accept being just one of the parties in the world and we're not a purely selfish, manipulating superpower. But what do we see when we look over the pond? A country that rapidly alters from a dependable big brother with whom one could achieve rational solutions into an irrational schizophrene brother that more and more becomes a helpless part of the problem and in time may need to be isolated in a straightjacket. And this is just for starters. I haven't even mentioned the environment, the penalty court, the shortsightedness when it comes to achieving peace, the selfishness mistakingly referred to as selfsufficiency. I wouldn't dare to fly an american flag when cruising abroad and not because it poses a threat. Thanks for reading my rambling... Len |
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I couldn't agree with you more, and apologize for squandering any degree
of respect that those in the rest of the world might have had for us at one time. I would love to just blame bush and his handlers, but am forced to also add those stupid enough to vote for him to the list, as well as those who didn't work hard enough to put him back mismanaging small business and reaping the benefits of his rich friends and relatives where he belongs. I would like to hope that this week is the beginning of the end of the *******s, and would still move to Parry Sound, Ontario, if my wife would go with me. (And I appreciate in advance those of you who are about to say "And don't let the door his you in the ass on your way out!") Capt. jeff |
a bystanders view on the us noise that is made here
But what do we see when we look over the pond? A country that rapidly alters from a dependable big brother with whom one could achieve rational solutions into an irrational schizophrene brother that more and more becomes a helpless part of the problem and in time may need to be isolated in a straightjacket. Could it be because Europe is changing more then the U.S.? When euthenesia is legal, quality of manufacturing is worse than ever, and strikes bring down countries to stand still? Lets not even talk about the racism that is on the rise, and anti-semitism is reaching pre wwii levels. England will put you in jail for defending yourself against criminals in your own homes! Talk about a legal system on its head. I was born in Poland myself, and lived in Norway for a while. I will tell you I would rather live in the U.S. then anywhere else. The kindness of people, opportunities, and openess is amazing. |
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Dan,
The interesting thing about the gentleman's comments, is not the reality of the situation, but the perception of reality. His assessment of the US is a very common viewpoint in Europe. "Dan J.S." wrote in message ... But what do we see when we look over the pond? A country that rapidly alters from a dependable big brother with whom one could achieve rational solutions into an irrational schizophrene brother that more and more becomes a helpless part of the problem and in time may need to be isolated in a straightjacket. Could it be because Europe is changing more then the U.S.? When euthenesia is legal, quality of manufacturing is worse than ever, and strikes bring down countries to stand still? Lets not even talk about the racism that is on the rise, and anti-semitism is reaching pre wwii levels. England will put you in jail for defending yourself against criminals in your own homes! Talk about a legal system on its head. I was born in Poland myself, and lived in Norway for a while. I will tell you I would rather live in the U.S. then anywhere else. The kindness of people, opportunities, and openess is amazing. |
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Len wrote:
The point here is can you take 5 seconds in which you stop pointing back at me with all kinds of mirrorred critiques and have a good look at how things are becoming in the us. That mirror works both ways, Len. I'm afraid you misunderstand what's going on over here. It's not about compassion, or lack of it, it's about the thieving forced redistribution of wealth and real freedoms. We have had our share of incompetent leadership; Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, etc., but we also have had true world leaders like Reagan. Our once great Democrat party is no more, having been hijacked by radical socialists and assorted special interests. Suspect you have your share of wackos too (judging from the Aruba fiasco). -- Skipper |
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I am proud we dutch have had the guts to *regulate* euthanasia. I see your point. But once anything is government regulated, you have abuses. What would stop a government from saying you retire at 60, you die at 75, here is the place where you go to die. We are doing this because our retirement funds are declining. |
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Len wrote:
In fact I've met several, dozens of canadians in Amsterdam. All kinds of ages. Without an exeption: polite, friendly, easy-connecting, interested in another culture/way of life. No superficiality, no criticising the welfare system, no cowboy-style You got a problem with cowboy style, pardner? -- Skipper |
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Len wrote:
There is *NO* case of euthanasia if the patient isn't completely sane when he/she asked for it him or herself. BS! There is no such thing as absolutes in these situations. -- Skipper |
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Len wrote:
Lets try to lift the discussion from the simple pointing at situations or anecdotes. Cause if we don't there only will be a series of it. In my post I admmitted up front there are things to be seriously improved in Europe. Why can't you? Are you serious in calling Reagan a competent leader? In my view he was accidentally in office when a true leader like Gorbatsjow entered the circustent. What would or better could Reagan have achieved without Gorbatsjow bringing Glasnost and Perestrojka? Furthermore he is the one that started serious overspending to please the industry (Star Wars). He spent that much that democrats wil have to raise taxes (cause the reps won't) so their and you children will have a lesser debt. What is actually wrong with this series of facts? Please stick to this series.... Mikhail is in town today. Perhaps I'll ask him about HIS views of Reagan. Believe his views of Reagan will be a bit more accurate than yours. -- Skipper |
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Len wrote:
You got a problem with cowboy style, pardner? Are ya talking to me? Are ya talking to me? ARE YA TALKING TO ME???? Do ya feel lucky punk? Well ???? Do Ya???? Thats what I call cowboy style. And yes it is offensive, rude, dumb, and a lot more but I guess you get my drift. Regards, Len. Got to admit when I've been had. Good one, Len. -- Skipper |
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:58:39 -0500, "Dan J.S." wrote:
Could it be because Europe is changing more then the U.S.? When euthenesia is legal, quality of manufacturing is worse than ever, and strikes bring down countries to stand still? Lets not even talk about the racism that is on the rise, and anti-semitism is reaching pre wwii levels. England will put you in jail for defending yourself against criminals in your own homes! Talk about a legal system on its head. I am proud we dutch have had the guts to *regulate* euthanasia. I hope you won't be hit by lungcancer and in the end when you're almost suffocate your eventual question for a mercyful and dignified end won't be denied. And when you trust some doctor can be persuaded to help you then that is right on the spot the subject that should be dealt with legally. When you are against euthanasia for a religious reason I think you're totally free in that choice. But where did you get the right to tell others to suffer where they have no bibletext to fear? Another example, where do christians obtain the right to prevent homosexuals to become happy? It's sad to see how, in "the finest country in the world", dictatorial christian fundamentalists manipulate even the supreme court so their views will be exercised for the next 30 years. Why can't you seperate church and state? Practice your belief behind your front door. Racism is always and everywhere. Thats a fact. Buyt that's a characteritic of specific people themselves. You can't judge a nation on it. If that were the case the us wouldn't score very good. I think it takes a very big heart to fully acknowledge that all people are equal world citizens. I don't even know if my heart is that big... I am worried about radical islamic youth in my country... I wouldn't call it racism but it is sad that I get extra cautious when I step into a train with a group of 'm... I was born in Poland myself, and lived in Norway for a while. I will tell you I would rather live in the U.S. then anywhere else. The kindness of people, opportunities, and openess is amazing. I am sure, and I can verify it every day that the people I meet are almost always kind, open and fun to be with. I make friends all the time. I am sure there are lot's of americans I could have lifelasting friendships with but that wasn't the point. The point here is can you take 5 seconds in which you stop pointing back at me with all kinds of mirrorred critiques and have a good look at how things are becoming in the us. |
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"Tamaroak" wrote in message ... Reagan was a great leader? Which history books have youy been reading. The same ones that will say the same things about this idiot, chickenhawk, AWOL deserter bush? Capt. Jeff what about the senate and congress? why do presidents get all the credit. |
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"Len" wrote in message ... Jim, What is the general view on abortion, gay marriage and euthanasia? How would you characterize Canada in terms of religious parties and their political power? But this isn't off topic any more, it's even worse. Do you know some us- or canadian group where discussions like this are possible without the obvious flaming and namecalling ? Regards, Len. The general view, in Canada, on abortion......It is up to the woman to choose. Gay Marriage is legal in Canada. With a "living will" signed by the patient, it is legal for a doctor to remove all life giving medications and supplements. My wife passed away three years ago in a Canadian hospital. She was, at her own request and mine, to be left to die with dignity after she had been told that her cancer was terminal and there was nothing more that could be done for her. She was given large amounts of morphine and died with no pain and with a smile on her face. This type of "death with dignity" is common in Canada but it is only after the patient has given written instructions to her family and to the doctor. Religion plays almost no part in Canadian Politics at all. There is no place for it here like there is in the USA. Sorry Len, I know of no "online" forums for Canadian Political discussions. Jim |
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 07:54:18 -0400, "Jim Carter"
wrote: I totaly agree with you Len. Here in Canada we also get a view of the USA that I am sure that the Americans themselves cannot see. Here is a little story for your amusement. It may help you understand. It was fun to read...:) In fact I've met several, dozens of canadians in Amsterdam. All kinds of ages. Without an exeption: polite, friendly, easy-connecting, interested in another culture/way of life. No superficiality, no criticising the welfare system, no cowboy-style whatsoever. Jim, What is the general view on abortion, gay marriage and euthanasia? How would you characterize Canada in terms of religious parties and their political power? But this isn't off topic any more, it's even worse. Do you know some us- or canadian group where discussions like this are possible without the obvious flaming and namecalling ? Regards, Len. |
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"Len" wrote in message ... So you Canadians really are "blessed", in every aspect so far :) No wonder every day three farmers or lorrydrivers quit their business/job over here and emigrate to the land with the Maple Leaf. There sure must be a lot of dutchmen over there... Sorry I asked that question, Jim. I appreciate your open answer a lot. Whenever my wife or I arrive at that roadbend, we'll no doubt do the same thing... I am very glad to live in a country where it's possible. Warm regards, Len. Very near to where my boat is located, in the town of Bayfield Ontario, there is a large population of people from the Netherlands. Below, I have copied a little information about a Dutch attraction. A full sized windmill. The Folmar Windmill brings a touch of Europe to Huron County. This full size windmill is styled after an actual mill in the Netherlands called "The Arend." Folmar Windmill has the capability to be used as a sawmill and a grist mill. During your tour the guide will explain how the "natural energy" of the wind can be utilized for those purposes. View the "technical artistry" of the mill's builder, Frank de Jong, or let yourself slip into Europe's yesteryear as the sighing of the sails hypnotizes you and you marvel at this unique structure. Natural environment areas are abundant in the area, and the Folmar Windmill is situated along side a small lake. If you do an Internet search on Google, you will see the photos of this windmill. Search for "Folmar Windmill Bayfield Ontario" This area is good for boating as it is on the shores of Lake Huron, the "Sweet Water Sea". Jim |
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:02:38 -0500, "Dan J.S." wrote:
I am proud we dutch have had the guts to *regulate* euthanasia. I see your point. But once anything is government regulated, you have abuses. What would stop a government from saying you retire at 60, you die at 75, here is the place where you go to die. We are doing this because our retirement funds are declining. The point is where there is no regulation abuse will be greater. I know that the sheer legal possibility to "kill" makes a bad first impression. But be reassured. There is *NO* case of euthanasia if the patient isn't completely sane when he/she asked for it him or herself. If ever, you should be afraid when nothing is regulated and it becomes common practice to give a bit more morfine to ease the pain..... decided by individual elderly home-doctors without any legal framework... Regards, Len. |
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"Len" wrote in message ... On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:10:58 -0500, Skipper wrote: Mikhail is in town today. Perhaps I'll ask him about HIS views of Reagan. Believe his views of Reagan will be a bit more accurate than yours. Oh I agree totally, of course. But I am convinced mr Gorbatsjow is an extraordinary erudite and civilised man and therefore would never give negative comments in public about a deceased collegue. No one with a good upbringing would (yes you're right indeed: except me). But I think when you ask him unexpectedly he will feel embarassed cause it forces him to think fast and come up with something that makes the ridiculity vanish of a man with no credits, -other than being a B-film actor with a mediocre IQ-, becoming president of the us. But tell me, what was wrong with the series of facts I summed up? The fact that they are not facts. |
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:49:12 -0500, Skipper wrote:
Len wrote: The point here is can you take 5 seconds in which you stop pointing back at me with all kinds of mirrorred critiques and have a good look at how things are becoming in the us. That mirror works both ways, Len. I'm afraid you misunderstand what's going on over here. It's not about compassion, or lack of it, it's about the thieving forced redistribution of wealth and real freedoms. We have had our share of incompetent leadership; Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, etc., but we also have had true world leaders like Reagan. Our once great Democrat party is no more, having been hijacked by radical socialists and assorted special interests. Suspect you have your share of wackos too (judging from the Aruba fiasco). Lets try to lift the discussion from the simple pointing at situations or anecdotes. Cause if we don't there only will be a series of it. In my post I admmitted up front there are things to be seriously improved in Europe. Why can't you? Are you serious in calling Reagan a competent leader? In my view he was accidentally in office when a true leader like Gorbatsjow entered the circustent. What would or better could Reagan have achieved without Gorbatsjow bringing Glasnost and Perestrojka? Furthermore he is the one that started serious overspending to please the industry (Star Wars). He spent that much that democrats wil have to raise taxes (cause the reps won't) so their and you children will have a lesser debt. What is actually wrong with this series of facts? Please stick to this series.... Regards, Len. |
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Len wrote:
So you Canadians really are "blessed", in every aspect so far :) No wonder every day three farmers or lorrydrivers quit their business/job over here and emigrate to the land with the Maple Leaf. There sure must be a lot of dutchmen over there... Sorry I asked that question, Jim. I appreciate your open answer a lot. Whenever my wife or I arrive at that roadbend, we'll no doubt do the same thing... I am very glad to live in a country where it's possible. Warm regards, Len. Right up till this summer I thought I was part Dutch...from American Loyalists chased from Harlem area of New York by the motley rabble around 1776. Mom was down to her mother's home in Digby county and someone had researched a book on the origins of settlers outside the town in Bloomfield. Seems our ancestor on that side was actually Danish... he came to North America from Holstein, Denmark by way of Holland prior to 1654. He built a little church in the bush, Harlem area and that's where the family name came from. "Van" (from) "Busch" (woods) "kirk" (church) There's even a coat of arms & a motto. The Nova Scotia VanBuskirks are all decended from his second son.... and all VanBuskirks in Notth America trace their roots back to this preacher. |
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:24:22 -0500, Skipper wrote:
Len wrote: There is *NO* case of euthanasia if the patient isn't completely sane when he/she asked for it him or herself. BS! There is no such thing as absolutes in these situations. 1 When a doctor helps he has to make the case known to a multidiscipl. comittee. 2 When the doctor helps and doesn't make the case known he'll be prosecuted. This is the same in your country I guess. 3 When the case is made known all aspects are checked. and of course no 1 is "did the patient ask for help in writing". no 2: was there a case of suffering without any hope for improvement of the condition. Judges are doing a good job on defining these terms. Your fear is not rational imo. You should be afraid for the opposite. What do you prefer, a system like this where you can successfully ask for help when YOU need it or a dogmatic NO in all cases where even the saddest lungcancer patient has to suffocate in his own slime? Excuse for becoming that explicit but that's how grewsome (sorry for misspellings) life is at that very moment. But is the fear for getting killed by the government not really an excuse ? So you don't have to point out it's forbidden by the bible? In that case you're totally free in making your own choice. But don't interfere in me making mine... Regards, Len. |
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:14:17 -0500, Skipper wrote:
Len wrote: In fact I've met several, dozens of canadians in Amsterdam. All kinds of ages. Without an exeption: polite, friendly, easy-connecting, interested in another culture/way of life. No superficiality, no criticising the welfare system, no cowboy-style You got a problem with cowboy style, pardner? Are ya talking to me? Are ya talking to me? ARE YA TALKING TO ME???? Do ya feel lucky punk? Well ???? Do Ya???? Thats what I call cowboy style. And yes it is offensive, rude, dumb, and a lot more but I guess you get my drift. Regards, Len. |
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"Len" wrote in message ... On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 16:27:31 -0400, " *JimH*" wrote: But tell me, what was wrong with the series of facts I summed up? The fact that they are not facts. Oh well in that case: good luck with your education. Regards, Len. Strong return argument Len. |
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Reagan was a great leader? Which history books have youy been reading.
The same ones that will say the same things about this idiot, chickenhawk, AWOL deserter bush? Capt. Jeff |
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"Len" wrote in message ... On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:01:59 -0400, " *JimH*" wrote: But tell me, what was wrong with the series of facts I summed up? The fact that they are not facts. Oh well in that case: good luck with your education. Regards, Len. Strong return argument Len. There is nothing to return arguments on Jim I agree. What you presented are not fact. |
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"Len" wrote in message ... On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 16:14:10 -0400, "Jim Carter" wrote: This area is good for boating as it is on the shores of Lake Huron, the "Sweet Water Sea". You actually managed to get us back on topic....:) I'm thinking when all goes well and after say 4 years the admiral and me have done a fair amount of offshore cruising (baltic, caribbean, south pacific, australia) we might make a tour to the Great Lakes. Guess only a few Europeans do that... Regards, Len. Len, there are thousands of Europeans that cruise the Great Lakes every year. www.greatlakescruising.com Check this site for some of the most enjoyable cruising ships in the world. If you bring your own boat over to Canada, you can enter the St.Lawrence Seaway all the way to the Great Lakes. Many from Europe do this also. I have seen boats from Australia in the North Channel of Lake Huron when I was cruising the area. Jim |
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So you Canadians really are "blessed", in every aspect so far :)
No wonder every day three farmers or lorrydrivers quit their business/job over here and emigrate to the land with the Maple Leaf. There sure must be a lot of dutchmen over there... Sorry I asked that question, Jim. I appreciate your open answer a lot. Whenever my wife or I arrive at that roadbend, we'll no doubt do the same thing... I am very glad to live in a country where it's possible. Warm regards, Len. |
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:10:58 -0500, Skipper wrote:
Mikhail is in town today. Perhaps I'll ask him about HIS views of Reagan. Believe his views of Reagan will be a bit more accurate than yours. Oh I agree totally, of course. But I am convinced mr Gorbatsjow is an extraordinary erudite and civilised man and therefore would never give negative comments in public about a deceased collegue. No one with a good upbringing would (yes you're right indeed: except me). But I think when you ask him unexpectedly he will feel embarassed cause it forces him to think fast and come up with something that makes the ridiculity vanish of a man with no credits, -other than being a B-film actor with a mediocre IQ-, becoming president of the us. But tell me, what was wrong with the series of facts I summed up? |
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 16:14:10 -0400, "Jim Carter"
wrote: This area is good for boating as it is on the shores of Lake Huron, the "Sweet Water Sea". You actually managed to get us back on topic....:) I'm thinking when all goes well and after say 4 years the admiral and me have done a fair amount of offshore cruising (baltic, caribbean, south pacific, australia) we might make a tour to the Great Lakes. Guess only a few Europeans do that... Regards, Len. |
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 16:27:31 -0400, " *JimH*" wrote:
But tell me, what was wrong with the series of facts I summed up? The fact that they are not facts. Oh well in that case: good luck with your education. Regards, Len. |
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:01:59 -0400, " *JimH*" wrote:
But tell me, what was wrong with the series of facts I summed up? The fact that they are not facts. Oh well in that case: good luck with your education. Regards, Len. Strong return argument Len. There is nothing to return arguments on Jim |
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:21:07 -0400, " *JimH*" wrote:
"Len" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:01:59 -0400, " *JimH*" wrote: But tell me, what was wrong with the series of facts I summed up? The fact that they are not facts. Oh well in that case: good luck with your education. Regards, Len. Strong return argument Len. There is nothing to return arguments on Jim I agree. What you presented are not fact. Sigh. Fact: Reagan was accidentally in office when a true leader like Gorbatsjow entered the circustent. Fact: It was Gorbatsjow bringing Glasnost and Perestrojka Fact: It was Gorbatsjow who caused things to happen. Reagan-fans tend to place the emphasis on Reagan but please, gimme a break Gorbatsjow was the only one capable of setting things in motion. Fact: Reagan started serious overspending to please the campaign supporting industries (Star Wars). Fact: simultaneously: large tax reduction that would (in his advisors dreams) would deminish the deficit. "Supply side economics", remember? AKA Voodoo economics. Fact: the remaining large deficit still exists and the rich became richer. Fact: The rep's won't raise taxes Fact/deduction: therefore the democrats wil have to raise taxes to lessen the risk of a totally bankrupted american economy. Fact: By devaluation of the dollar the whole world pays for the expensive evangelical risk-game of mr Bush. (excuse me for adding a biased term in the end of the last sentence) Regards, Len. |
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:37:37 -0700, jps wrote:
Well said Len. I think you may have sent Snippy in search of his bottle. Hi jps, Thanks. I want the US of my youth back.... Tell me, what did become of the nice americans like BJ Hunnicut, Hawkeye and Sherman Potter in Mash 4077? It looks like the Frank Burns-character and the paranoid intelligence-officer whose name slipped my mind is being cloned every few minutes. But then again I also want the Holland of my youth back. Guess it's me.... I can't keep up with time.... I guess that's why my wife and I are tossing off and go cruising in 1,5 years.... But we are going to have FUN.... :) And... I sure hope to make a LOT of new american friends on the way.... And cuban, and german, and arabic, and ... Regards, Len. |
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